Madden NFL 23 Gameplay Video - Head-to-Head with Commentary From Game Designer

[Hooe]

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I think difficulty doesn't matter because I've seen those examples mentioned on that type of play on all 3 levels over the years.

I know the more common logic for most people is to assume those things tend to just happen on lower playing levels but it's Madden and that stuff happens

I mean, sure, but this is a night and day difference in behavior I am talking about here, and I’m confident anyone else who logged extensive hours in the beta would agree with me here.

In the M23 beta, Byron Jones and Xavien Howard would start reacting to the ball literally the moment my quarterback started his throwing motion. It was admittedly almost too fast. The zone defense reaction time shown off today is just wildly different from what we all saw earlier this summer.

I remain hopeful that this is just a competitive game style or low difficulty setting issue, but I guess we will all find out either way in a week.

[YaBarber]

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The beta was completely different as it always is. The differences between Comp/Arcade/Sim, plus Rookie/Pro/AP/AM shouldn't excuse the fact that defense's shouldn't be completely incompetent in coverage. The differences in those modes and settings should just increase the gap of how easy or hard it may be to recognize what is happening in the game, as well as how loose or tight the AI is while a play is going on.

The simple fact is that a CB in deep 3rds shouldn't be backpedaling with his literal only man is running a vertical route in his assignment window. The LB in hook to curl responsibility should not be strafe shuffling to the flat.

The fact that the guys in the video mention that "seams are going to be in this year" just shows how far off the brand is as a whole. In real life there are no "in" concepts that work more often than anything else each year. Football is about finding weaknesses in matchups, play calls, and tendecies, not what 2 routes beat every single coverage no matter what.

[GoJags904]

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I mean, sure, but this is a night and day difference in behavior I am talking about here, and I’m confident anyone else who logged extensive hours in the beta would agree with me here.

In the M23 beta, Byron Jones and Xavien Howard would start reacting to the ball literally the moment my quarterback started his throwing motion. It was admittedly almost too fast. The zone defense reaction time shown off today is just wildly different from what we all saw earlier this summer.

I remain hopeful that this is just a competitive game style or low difficulty setting issue, but I guess we will all find out either way in a week.

That's true. I'd rather keep the boost till they fix the normal coverage assignments and logic. That was my band-aid grip but it is more realistic than this typical madden cheese. They didn't fix the logic they just boosted up reaction times and speed. Hell my Jags backup dbs had it n they were trash ratings wise. Could be dev time contraints or other more important things needing to be added idk.

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[TarHeelPhenom]

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Starting at the 5:15 minute mark, watch #97 Joey Bosa and Buffalo's RT #77. Bosa beats him like a drum on 4 straight plays the exact same way with the RT animating the same way...whiffing on the block and landing on his tail lol. Here is two of them.


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[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Starting at the 5:15 minute mark, watch #97 Joey Bosa and Buffalo's RT #77. Bosa beats him like a drum on 4 straight plays the exact same way with the RT animating the same way...whiffing on the block and landing on his tail lol. Here is two of them.


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They underrated the beejebus out of Spencer Brown, he's like a 67 overall against a Top 10 in Bosa. Numerically they're gonna treat that as an almost insta shed each time, annoyingly.

[kjcheezhead]

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That looked exactly how the beta played to me…which is why I quit after just 2 games. Ugly to watch, not really fun to play


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[PVarck31]

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I'm not sure what anyone expected to see on comp mode with these guys.

Also, the play in question of the wide open TD, well obviously that's ugly. But it's one play, and hopefully not a fundamental issue. I'm not gonna panic yet. These plays happen sometimes, and there could have been hot routing. Not sure about that. Maybe someone knows.

I'm still excited. I really enjoyed the beta. If they don't nerf it, I should enjoy the game. Hopefully it stays enjoyable. 22 was probably the first time in years I didn't play after December.

The beta was the best Madden has felt to me in forever. They said they aren't changing it. So let's wait and see. If that play is an issue, hopefully it's fixed in a day one patch.

[TarHeelPhenom]

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I'm not sure what anyone expected to see on comp mode with these guys.

Also, the play in question of the wide open TD, well obviously that's ugly. But it's one play, and hopefully not a fundamental issue. I'm not gonna panic yet. These plays happen sometimes, and there could have been hot routing. Not sure about that. Maybe someone knows.

I'm still excited. I really enjoyed the beta. If they don't nerf it, I should enjoy the game. Hopefully it stays enjoyable. 22 was probably the first time in years I didn't play after December.

The beta was the best Madden has felt to me in forever. They said they aren't changing it. So let's wait and see. If that play is an issue, hopefully it's fixed in a day one patch.

I am too. This changes nothing!

[khaliib]

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The beta was completely different as it always is. The differences between Comp/Arcade/Sim, plus Rookie/Pro/AP/AM shouldn't excuse the fact that defense's shouldn't be completely incompetent in coverage. The differences in those modes and settings should just increase the gap of how easy or hard it may be to recognize what is happening in the game, as well as how loose or tight the AI is while a play is going on.

The simple fact is that a CB in deep 3rds shouldn't be backpedaling with his literal only man is running a vertical route in his assignment window. The LB in hook to curl responsibility should not be strafe shuffling to the flat.

The fact that the guys in the video mention that "seams are going to be in this year" just shows how far off the brand is as a whole. In real life there are no "in" concepts that work more often than anything else each year. Football is about finding weaknesses in matchups, play calls, and tendecies, not what 2 routes beat every single coverage no matter what.

You have to be mindful that what you’re calling Competence is driven by variables underneath & when those variables are set at certain levels by design to provide creation gameplay outcomes/User experience, that’s not a flaw upon the OVR AI Behavior as a whole.

The lowest Difficulty level Rookie (which was said what they were playing on) by design waters down AI impacts to provide a space for the younger/newer Madden gamers, with “Fun” being the focal factor over Simulation and/or Competitive gaming experience.

- So that safety not reacting correctly & looking like poor Logic on this setting, is delayed by design so that the young/new Madden User can experience the thrill (ie Fun) of scoring a Passing TD.

[canes21]

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These guys do all sorts of adjustments before the play on both sides of the ball that lead to wonky results. That's why I find it so hard to watch them play at all. I'll wait and see how the game plays in the trial firsthand before I lean one way or the other. Maybe we will get more videos that are user vs CPU, though I doubt it. Not even a week until we can try the game ourselves. Either it plays like the beta and I am happy, or it doesn't and I likely won't be as happy.

[The 24th Letter]

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[TheBleedingRed21]

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Watching madden tourney guys on comp, not sure what you guys expected. It’s typical junk you’ll always see in these types of videos.

Let the sim gamers get on the game and provide our feedback. I truly think this has the potential to be an awesome madden cycle.

[GoJags904]

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I preordered on hope it plays like the beta moreso than this. I will blame this on marketing till after the day one patch is installed and I run a few games.

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[MoreThanAGamer]

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That just shows that line play wasn't a focus just speed of Defense and pursuit. Line play needs to be the next leap for 2024. It's bad like horrific bad...that was my gripe with the coverage in the beta. Boosting everyone to play faster doesn't fix it just bandaids it. We need ratings to determine who plays faster and who plays slower. Not boost everyone for the sake of boosting. Every team isn't an all Madden roster of 99s

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The bold. It's funny that people keep saying things like this. Next year. Next year. Next year. We've been waiting on them to make a complete game for years now while being sold a "new" game at full retail price every year and an expensive special edition copy. Then, we get told that the "new" game is better than last year's game and they somewhat admit that the previous year's game wasn't good.


I think it's safe to say, with all of the yearly proof we have, that we won't get a complete game. Ever. But one thing is for certain. They're gonna keep making money selling an unfinished product and they know it.

[secondsolution]

Re: Madden NFL 23 Gameplay Video - Head-to-Head with Commentary From Game Designer

I really don't understand EA and the way they market the game. It feels like they gear the initial information releases and beta towards the Sim/hardcore crowd and keep that narrative for a couple of months but never show gameplay.

Then when they finally release gameplay they pick youtubers who don't play with a style of the information previously released. I get they are reaching different markets, but surely they could release 3 gameplay videos, one targeted for comp players, one for Sim and one for arcade and have appropriate people play each.

In all seriousness I don't know why they would they would use this TD guy at all, he's arguably done more damage to the Madden brand than Ryan Moody with his play style