I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball.

[KSUowls]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I spent over an hour in practice mode with the new passing system and I was doing great. Thought I had it figured out, then 6 INT's in the first game after that.

I don't know what to do at this point. If this isn't fixed, and yes, again, a couple were totally my fault, but the CPU was grabbing everything even close to them, if it's not fixed, I can't see myself playing this game much more if this is how every game is gonna be. I'm not gonna do a franchise where I throw 10 TD and 40 INT in a season. I might have to shelve this until they do something.

I can't even get downfield. I'm throwing picks on dinks and dunks somehow.

Basically agree with this. The rate that a defender's actions specifically results in a catch needs to be toned down a lot.

I actually had my first 0 int game last night in my 2nd game using A&S's "Pro" slider set (except I used Placement passing instead of classic). I also won that game 70-10 though even after shutting my offense down at the half which wasn't exactly fun so I don't think I will be sticking with "Pro". I did throw 3 picks in my first quarter of the first game with the set as I got used to the sliders and was kind of testing things out. I threw one more the rest of the game when I started to play normally (no user catch, using the whole playbook, lots of short-medium passes), and that one the linebacker showed off carnival level contortionist ability while defying Newton's first law and showing off Randy Moss style hands. Despite how ludicrous that replay was, I was less upset with that one than I was with the first 3. The last one was just video game logic. The first 3 only occurred because defenders in this game have super hands and gobble up anything that they touch.

At least once per game in a real football matchup, you're going to see a defender grab his helmet at the end of the play because a pass fell right into his hands and he dropped it. You're far more likely to see a defender reach up and bat a ball away than you are to see him make some sticky fingered catch. We're never going to get a fully true to life football simulation, but what we see in M23 right now is the exact inverse of the above. It's not the USER needing to be better and it's not the that the USER is forcibly playing the wrong way. Are User's 100% innocent? Of course not, but it's not an either/or situation. It's true that USER's make mistakes and should get punished for them. It's also true that the catching ability of the defense is simply too strong.

I maintain the above even after having my first 0 interception game, thanks in part to being a bit lucky that on my (just) 4 incompletions the CPU was out of bounds on one ball they caught. Even as I find ways to mitigate my own thrown interceptions, my own defenders picked off the CPU 4 times for no other reason than the ball hit their body. Every single game of Madden 23 that I have played has been with User and CPU interception sliders set at either 0 or 1, most of my games have been on All-Pro, and I now have 2 under my belt with a "Pro" slider set. I don't user catch on defense. My own defense has had at least 2 interceptions every game, and 80-90% of my own incompletions result in interceptions. Even if I'm making mistakes, not EVERY mistake should result in the worst case scenario. Especially with sliders set where I have them.

[jonesha2000]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I mean I like the game so don’t take me for a basher, but I think it’s not really arguable that the INT’s are a problem and it’s more of a fact that the WR don’t fight or are not as aggressive going for the ball as the DB’s are. It may just be a glaring issue in the online community versus offline.

[jfsolo]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

They will definitely tune the catching ability of non User players because there is no way that the competitive/MUT community will stand for CPU controlled players having perfect hands.

[ajra21]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I mean I like the game so don’t take me for a basher, but I think it’s not really arguable that the INT’s are a problem and it’s more of a fact that the WR don’t fight or are not as aggressive going for the ball as the DB’s are. It may just be a glaring issue in the online community versus offline.

Agreed. There really is a lot to like about this game.

[ajra21]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Was just having a really fun game when the D picked off a pass that should not have been picked. On the replay, they LB suddenly moves to a new position and catches the ball to return for a pick six.

[Housh123]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I just don’t understand how year after year threads like this can be interpreted as meaning anything different from “I totally suck.”

Reddit has the same problem when I point this out and they dowwnvote me to hell, so if you’re offended reading this you’re in excellent company I guess.

But seriously wtf? — Why do these threads always revolve around sliders and “legacy issues” and “bad ai” and never about how if you’re SUCKING HOTDOGS at passing maybe call better plays? Maybe execute better? Maybe go down in difficulty? Maybe stop sucking so hard? Maybe stop putting your QBA slider at 15?

Like my god, every year, over and over and over.

Listen to me: if you can’t get your QB to put up good, realistic numbers I blame one, single person. Take a guess who it is.

Sorry I’m just so tired of this. No other game fanbase is like this. You’re trash, OP, that’s it. And I’m tired of everyone pretending you’re not while they tapdance around “what’s wrong” here.

I understand the “just get better crowd” and i plan to.


But i was specifically LABBING certain situations because crossers was basically the only thing most ppl did last year. So i wanted to specifically see how the D played against them. When i made this thread i had i think 8 hours played of the game and was literally playing for research purposes.


Iv since begun to play for fun and i did end up turning that INT sliders down to 10 and Iv obviously just gotten better but i still see these issues.


One play that happened just yesterday was Jamarr Chase on a slant, has a low rated DB on him and i throw it and with the ball around 75% of the way to the WR the DB randomly speeds up and picks me.



It’s like the game isn’t harder per say, it’s just making you worse by limiting your abilities which is STUPID.


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[Housh123]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

This is an open question to the forum, mostly asking out of curiosity’s sake:

How many of you call “easy” pass concepts, such as PA Slide, tunnel screens, pop passes, RPO bubbles, Spot, and Spacing?

Speaking for myself, my default behavior in past Madden games was to call some shotgun spread set, call a million hot routes at the line based on the coverage shell, then sit in the pocket with impunity against a dead pass rush and pick the coverage apart. That doesn’t work as well anymore because the pass rush is live now, and compounding the problem is that the CPU defensive backs punish throwing late or throwing junk hard. I’m having to basically learn how to use the entire playbook on the fly to break bad habits.

You cannot force the ball downfield vertically in this game to the extent that you could in past Madden games. On the flip side, throwing easier and safer passes to move the ball downfield will reduce your chances of throwing INTs, and consistent success with safer passes can frustrate the defense into more aggressive coverage calls (man coverages or blitzes), against which you can more safely try to push the ball downfield.

This is GOOD btw. Both games Iv finished in my franchise after i got the hang of passing had realistic scores and decently realistic stats. I just finished a game VS DALLAS where i was having a hard time until i got Jamarr Chase involved. I think at halftime i had like 1 target to Chase but by the end of the game Chase had 12 catches and i won fairly easily with 3 TD 1 INT.



With this said i played those games extremely carefully and had to complete a lot of pretty tough 3rd downs.

Madden 22 was too easy. I could have all the sliders against me and still put up 50+. This madden is harder which is good, but the way in which it’s harder irks me.


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[Housh123]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

So I think I found one of my specific issues. I don't know if this is a reason why others are throwing too many picks or not.

But what I'm doing is throwing too many bullet passes. On outs or corners, instead of lob passes, I just throw a rocket and any defender nearby can just snag it. If I throw lob passes there is a much better chance the ball goes right over the defender.

Played as the Browns earlier and Watson (I know) only threw one pick and it was on me for sure. Also threw two TD. One over the shoulder to Cooper in the endzone.

This is true. I’m seeing the type of pass (bullet, lob or touch) does affect certain routes differently.


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[Housh123]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Ok got 3 fun videos. I'll figure out how to break the madden code but smh. All Madden 11 min qtrs only slider change is tackling at 42.

Vid 1 is engram stopping on a corner route as if he was running a Comeback or hitch. https://youtu.be/9ghpFIwvIbA

Vid 2 is Kirk stopping on a slant route pass while the defender stops his backpedal and turn to goalposts animation to instantly run forward to pick the balll while the WR watched with popcorn. Would have better vid but madden cut the instantly reply to when player was tackled so all share play last minute save.

https://youtu.be/VleoX6Z8ctM

Vid 3 is touch pass issue throwing bullets where ETN was running 5 yards deep on a slant and db after stepping up to make it 6 leaps and jumps for the pick lol. Was even bumped deeper by LB yet pass trajectory is still arcadey.

https://youtu.be/kiTD3MdTGv8

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3rd vid seemed like a bad throw but the first 2 we’re exactly why i made this thread.

Just ridiculous bs


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[ajra21]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

I understand the “just get better crowd” and i plan to.

But i was specifically LABBING certain situations because crossers was basically the only thing most ppl did last year. So i wanted to specifically see how the D played against them. When i made this thread i had i think 8 hours played of the game and was literally playing for research purposes.

Iv since begun to play for fun and i did end up turning that INT sliders down to 10 and Iv obviously just gotten better but i still see these issues.

One play that happened just yesterday was Jamarr Chase on a slant, has a low rated DB on him and i throw it and with the ball around 75% of the way to the WR the DB randomly speeds up and picks me.

It’s like the game isn’t harder per say, it’s just making you worse by limiting your abilities which is STUPID.

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That is my biggest annoyance right now. Crap CB suddenly appears from nowhere to catch a ball they should not be able to reach.

As for the person saying to throw "easier routes", that is pretty much all I do and INT still happen.


Edit: Yup, CB just came out of nowhere and pick sixed me.


I think I have my sliders screwed up cos I'm getting more INT than after doing what I was told on these pages.

[toodles2you90]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Here’s my thoughts…I’ve played 3 preseason games and 16 regular season games so far with the Panthers. So I don’t have an overly powered QB that doesn’t feel the pressure of the rush or anything like that. I don’t think the coverage is broken. I threw 7 picks in preseason and 13 thru the 16 games so far. This is all-madden with the only slider adjustment is INTs to 10.

The problem with all the INTs isn’t that I’ve seen necessarily super human stuff, it’s that no defenders really drop INTs and no defenders ever just swat. It’s almost always a go for an INT. I think I’ve seen maybe 2-3 dropped picks over those 19 games. Last night in the Pats-panthers game there was at least 3 dropped INTs just off the top of my head. Everyone has Cris Carter hands in Madden. Mix that with no swat animations and it’s the craziness that it is.

With that said 16 of my INTs came in the first 12 games and the last 8 I’ve only throw 3 so I’ll just share some thing I’ve been doing if it helps.

1. I only use one side to the field. The pass rush is to good to try to look all over. Just figure out pre-snap what looks better and don’t try to go back to the other side unless you scramble out or something like that.

2. I only take shots down the field pretty much off play action after a few successful running plays. Maybe it’s placebo but it seems more successful that way. I’ll run verticals and try to hit the seams or the sideline in cover 2 typically my shot plays always come out of play action.

3. I user WR interactions. You just have to. Your CPU isn’t going to go get the ball so you have to do it for them.

4. Free form passing is a must. You have to be able to throw balls out of the reach of DBs if you want to throw in tight windows. It has to be placed outside of the normal catch radius. I hold L2 down as soon as the ball is snapped so that I always use free form even if it a wide open pass. You don’t have to move the reticle.

5. Take the sack. Gone are the days where you can feel pressure and just launch it somewhere and it ends up fine. Just take the sack. Or if you use free form with no distance limitations, pick the closest receiver to the sideline and reticle the ball 10 yards over their head out of bounds.

I’m not saying there aren’t some cheese INTs but so far, I’d say 95% of the picks I’ve thrown has been me. I just have a hard time believing that people throwing 5 INTs a game is anything more than user error or just not having the game mechanics down yet.

[PVarck31]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

So I played a game on pro with the Packers with classic passing. It was night and day. Rodgers was 19-29 312 yards, 3 TD and 1 INT.

However, the defenders are still playing too aggressively. Like someone else said, they never just try to knock the ball away, it's always an INT attempt. They also have hands better than most WR's. They should be dropping some of these picks. It happens every game in the NFL. If they could catch they would be playing offense. Especially LB's. They are catching the ball like WR's as well.

[Housh123]

I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a bad

Caught up with the thread and I’ll add some things. Biggest helps for me have been….



1. Sticking with my safer plays. The slot drag has become my checkdown similar to what the RB out route was in 22. I’m using way less spread formations too. There is just no benefit to running spread all game anymore. At this point any time i run any spread formation like 5 wide or something it’s literally only to throw a drag or a seam. I’m a bit upset about this because La’el Collins and Jonah Williams are great tackles,and i feel like the pass rush shouldn’t be that strong against the Bengals o-line but whatever. I think this Madden is turning the mirror on us as players and making us reckon with how we’ve learned to play Madden. We all played offense too loose and i will admit i was playing loosely when i created this thread. Loose play meaning trying to get big gains every play. Madden 22 became one play TD central and the devs definitely were embarrassed by this and fixed it. Did they over correct is my question.

2. This one is obvious but I’ll put it. RUN THE BALL. Can’t throw a pick if you run it. You are also less likely to throw bad passes when you are constantly in 3rd and 2 instead of 3rd and 10. Just had a successful game where i threw very well because i controlled 1st and 2nd down so that my 3rd downs were all from manageable distances.


3. HAVE A HOT ROUTE. I think in Madden 22 we got used to how easy it was and the bailout of being able to wait for a WR to cross the whole field and get open. On this game the pass rush is relentless and it actually pressures you to call better plays. I got so good at Madden 22, I’d honestly just get to the formation i wanted THEN I’d hot route it and create plays from scratch. On this Madden in the games Iv been successful Iv actually made sure i called good plays out of the huddle. Iv gone from 22 making an insane amount of hot routes EVERY SINGLE PLAY, to the only hot route i usually call now is a drag route. I also never cared about making sure my top WR was running my hot route until this Madden. Whenever i NEED a route to be open i make sure Jamarr Chase is running it. That’s helped a lot.

4. Take sacks. I think it’s blatantly obvious the game developers wanted you to see taking a sack as part of the game. From the games Iv played fumbling from sacks is WAY DOWN for both user and CPU. Day 1 i managed to get Kenny Pickett from Pittsburg to fumble twice but since then Iv had NO fumbles caused by sacking the CPU on All Madden and i haven’t fumbled from being sacked. There are plays Iv had where i just had to accept i called a bad play VS what the CPU called and i try and take the sack as close to the LOS as possible. It’s like they made taking sacks part of the chess game which I LOVE.


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[YaBarber]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

It’s actually kind of funny but terribly unfunny at the same time that the game forces your user to auto insta pick passes off from abnormal angles also. I was scrimmaging in my CFM league and was out of position so I wanted to try going for the QB instead. Probably about a 16 yard total distance between me and the intended WR, and about an 8 yard difference between me and the QB. I literally did not press a single button besides being in strafe as the pass was thrown and I felt my controller rumble and then my user jumped and picked the ball off on its own

Also, the insta shed sacks on 3rd down giving you 0.09 seconds after the snap to react is getting out of hand. It’s only on 3rd down you can expect to get sacked. Think this was an issue a couple Madden’s ago which doesn’t surprise me that it’s brought back with superhuman defenders

[toodles2you90]

Re: I’m Already tired of throwing picks cause my WR won’t attack the ball and i for a

Caught up with the thread and I’ll add some things. Biggest helps for me have been….



1. Sticking with my safer plays. The slot drag has become my checkdown similar to what the RB out route was in 22. I’m using way less spread formations too. There is just no benefit to running spread all game anymore. At this point any time i run any spread formation like 5 wide or something it’s literally only to throw a drag or a seam. I’m a bit upset about this because La’el Collins and Jonah Williams are great tackles,and i feel like the pass rush shouldn’t be that strong against the Bengals o-line but whatever.

2. This one is obvious but I’ll put it. RUN THE BALL. Can’t throw a pick if you run it. You are also less likely to throw bad passes when you are constantly in 3rd and 2 instead of 3rd and 10. Just had a successful game where i threw very well because i controlled 1st and 2nd down so that my 3rd downs were all from manageable distances.


3. HAVE A HOT ROUTE. I think in Madden 22 we got used to how easy it was and the bailout of being able to wait for a WR to cross the whole field and get open. On this game the pass rush is relentless and it actually pressures you to call better plays. I got so good at Madden 22, I’d honestly just get to the formation i wanted THEN I’d hot route it and create plays from scratch. On this Madden in the games Iv been successful Iv actually made sure i called good plays out of the huddle. Iv gone from 22 making an insane amount of hot routes EVERY SINGLE PLAY, to the only hot route i usually call now is a drag route. I also never cared about making sure my top WR was running my hot route until this Madden. Whenever i NEED a route to be open i make sure Jamarr Chase is running it. That’s helped a lot.

4. Take sacks. I think it’s blatantly obvious the game developers wanted you to see taking a sack as part of the game. From the games Iv played fumbling from sacks is WAY DOWN for both user and CPU. Day 1 i managed to get Kenny Pickett from Pittsburg to fumble twice but since then Iv had NO fumbles caused by sacking the CPU on All Madden and i haven’t fumbled from being sacked. There are plays Iv had where i just had to accept i called a bad play VS what the CPU called and i try and take the sack as close to the LOS as possible. It’s like they made taking sacks part of the chess game which I LOVE.


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Set your coaching adjustment for blocking to aggressive. It helps and since penalties are rare anyway, you actually see a holding call every now and then.