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  • Therebelyell626
    MVP
    • Mar 2018
    • 2892

    #91
    Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

    Originally posted by Kramer5150
    This 100% right here.

    When the beta came out I went in and looked for one specific fix (or adjustment) to be made, and when penalties were actually a thing again, I was happier than hell.

    So I went ahead and preordered the MVP Deluxe thing with CFB and Madden (did cost nearly as much thanks to MS rewards...lol)

    But those days of getting Madden day 1 are over for me, while I'm not going to say anything is "broken", the CPU run/pass ratio being the way it is (beyond terrible) and then throw in the (yet again) piss poor defense, makes it very hard to dive deep into a franchise mode (at least for me)

    I'm glad there are folks that are playing and having fun with franchise, but with those 2 IMO huge issues, I can't do it.

    After watching tonight's game, it really sunk in ...there is absolutely zero strategy involved when it comes to this game, I'm tired of playing checkers, I want to play chess.

    Madden has now dropped to a Black Friday deal, I don't need fancy "new tech"..."boom tech" "Sapien tech" "Living breathing worlds" remember that one?

    But I guess it is what it is at this point.
    I agree with your main point. When I play Madden 25 I don’t feel like I have to “outsmart” the AI. College football is much better at replicating the X and O’s while Madden is more about the jimmys and joes.

    I made this point in another thread, but Madden and CFB25 both are trying to accomplish different goals. Madden is a great game if you want to play with a friend on the couch, or against someone online. If you’re looking for a game that will try and replicate the real strategy of football Madden isn’t it. It doesn’t even remotely do a good job at this. I didn’t even realize how bad it had gotten until I played CFB 25. It was definitely my red pill/blue pill moment.

    The part I don’t understand is there are literally settings in place to give people the the different experiences they want (simulation/competitive/arcade), yet madden just refuses to think outside the one size fits all template

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    • BadAssHskr
      XSX
      • Jun 2003
      • 3541

      #92
      Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

      deleted post.
      Last edited by BadAssHskr; 09-06-2024, 11:07 AM.
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      • Dagan
        Pro
        • Jun 2020
        • 623

        #93
        Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

        I feel like the games really do share the same code. I know there are staunch detractors of it, but I've been compiling the "new" features and similarities and what both games are getting patched / updated in, and they both either absolutely do or don't have the same issues, glitches, workarounds, etc.

        I know many would die on a hill claiming that the game speed difference between the games is what proves they aren't coded the same, but that's just attributed to tuning and sliders AND player ratings - all of which per Madden can be adjusted to match CFB25. CFB25 can't be adjusted absolutely, though. Coupled with camera angle differences, definitive sounds going on being different, play clock differences, a few rules differences but most importantly, the mindset a person even has psychologically with college compared to pros, it's a lot that is going on different in people compared to the legitimate coded differences in these games. Not a single person expects or wants the same out of both games, if they are a true fan of both levels of the game, understand both levels of the game and have long been conditioned to those understandings.

        I know some may claim that the player editing differences are proof of definitely different codes. I disagree. I thinks it's just a small portion of code because of slightly different allowances in the two levels of the game. The code is glitching in CFB25 because of duplicate jersey numbers and way over 53 man rosters allowed over and over and over - Madden 25 doesn't have that issue, and it's not magic, rather I contend it's because that's the base code that works just fine and has been for years. CFB25 has the drastic new change per rosters, numbers and such.

        The teambuilder glitches are exactly the same. So on and so on.

        I admit that I may be very wrong, as I obviously do not work for EA Sports. I'm just saying that all of the data that I'm compiling and looking at is pointing to a certain conclusion that both games share base code. The business decision to have completely different codes - that alone doesn't even make good business sense, really, so I'm not hating on them for doing it, if so. Work smarter, not harder - all that jazz. I get it.
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        • thescoop
          MVP
          • Jan 2006
          • 1288

          #94
          Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

          Is there a trick to getting the draft class files to work?

          I'm at work and can't scroll back so sorry if this has already been addressed in this thread. I tried to start a Franchise last night and it wouldn't load any of the draft classes. I know this patch claims to have fixed that but I can't seem to get them to work. Let me know what you guys know! Thanks in advance.
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          • ChaseB
            #BringBackFaceuary
            • Oct 2003
            • 9844

            #95
            Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

            Originally posted by thescoop
            Is there a trick to getting the draft class files to work?

            I'm at work and can't scroll back so sorry if this has already been addressed in this thread. I tried to start a Franchise last night and it wouldn't load any of the draft classes. I know this patch claims to have fixed that but I can't seem to get them to work. Let me know what you guys know! Thanks in advance.
            I'm confused if it's platform-specific, because I just tested it again and can go to Week 2 of my franchise and then either import a class or just DL it and have it go right into my franchise mode and work just fine.

            I also did a Week 1 offline franchise and tested it there and it worked as well.

            Is the bug post-importing maybe or it just won't even import for you?
            Last edited by ChaseB; 09-06-2024, 03:53 PM.
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            • thescoop
              MVP
              • Jan 2006
              • 1288

              #96
              Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

              Originally posted by ChaseB
              I'm confused if it's platform-specific, because I just tested it again and can go to Week 2 of my franchise and then either import a class or just DL it and have it go right into my franchise mode and work just fine.

              I also did a Week 1 offline franchise and tested it there and it worked as well.

              Is the bug post-importing maybe or it just won't even import for you?
              It just acts like it isn't loading anything and their created file remains in place. I'm on PS5 and update was applied. I've tried both import and download and nothing happens. Makes it appear like nothing is there after a download.
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              • ChaseB
                #BringBackFaceuary
                • Oct 2003
                • 9844

                #97
                Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                Originally posted by thescoop
                It just acts like it isn't loading anything and their created file remains in place. I'm on PS5 and update was applied. I've tried both import and download and nothing happens. Makes it appear like nothing is there after a download.
                Okay, I'm making a thread specifically for this because I'm baffled we can be having completely different experiences with the same service on the same console haha. And when you say it appears like nothing is there after the download do you mean the draft class within your franchise doesn't change, or when you download the file and then go to import it, there's not actually anything there to load?
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                • thescoop
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 1288

                  #98
                  Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                  Originally posted by ChaseB
                  Okay, I'm making a thread specifically for this because I'm baffled we can be having completely different experiences with the same service on the same console haha. And when you say it appears like nothing is there after the download do you mean the draft class within your franchise doesn't change, or when you download the file and then go to import it, there's not actually anything there to load?
                  Yes. It shows the file download and then goes to a screen shows there is no file. I've tried several different draft files too. If I was at home, I'd get you a screen shot but I'm still at work.

                  Thanks for responding, Chase.
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                  • ChaseB
                    #BringBackFaceuary
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 9844

                    #99
                    Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                    Originally posted by thescoop
                    Yes. It shows the file download and then goes to a screen shows there is no file. I've tried several different draft files too. If I was at home, I'd get you a screen shot but I'm still at work.

                    Thanks for responding, Chase.
                    And you've tried doing it within both franchise mode and outside it? I'll maybe ask you to try a specific file when you get home if you don't mind so I can troubleshoot further since I just think this is so bizarre.
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                    • Kramer5150
                      Medicore Mike
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 7396

                      #100
                      Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                      Originally posted by ChaseB
                      And you've tried doing it within both franchise mode and outside it? I'll maybe ask you to try a specific file when you get home if you don't mind so I can troubleshoot further since I just think this is so bizarre.
                      I'm guessing you're talking about the community files?

                      If so, then that has been pretty much how shall we say "non functional" since the release of CFB.

                      If this isn't what you guys are referring to, then oops my bad lol
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                      • ChaseB
                        #BringBackFaceuary
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 9844

                        #101
                        Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                        Originally posted by Kramer5150
                        I'm guessing you're talking about the community files?

                        If so, then that has been pretty much how shall we say "non functional" since the release of CFB.

                        If this isn't what you guys are referring to, then oops my bad lol
                        We're talking Madden, but like I said, I'm downloading community files just fine in Madden. I know CFB had an issue of sorts as well with downloading stuff, but yeah, not related to this specific topic.
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                        • thescoop
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 1288

                          #102
                          Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                          Originally posted by ChaseB
                          And you've tried doing it within both franchise mode and outside it? I'll maybe ask you to try a specific file when you get home if you don't mind so I can troubleshoot further since I just think this is so bizarre.
                          Yes. And I've tried both online and offline Franchise.

                          And yes, I'll try whatever to see if I can get it to work.
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                          • ChaseB
                            #BringBackFaceuary
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 9844

                            #103
                            Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                            Originally posted by thescoop
                            Yes. And I've tried both online and offline Franchise.

                            And yes, I'll try whatever to see if I can get it to work.
                            Okay scoop, when you get home and have a chance, just try to download ANY draft class with no spaces in the file name, see if it works.
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                            • thescoop
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 1288

                              #104
                              Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                              Originally posted by ChaseB
                              Okay scoop, when you get home and have a chance, just try to download ANY draft class with no spaces in the file name, see if it works.


                              The no space file worked! That’s the issue.


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                              • timiville
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2014
                                • 162

                                #105
                                Re: Madden NFL 25 Patch Adds Revamped Passing and More - Pass Coverage Improvements C

                                Originally posted by Dagan
                                I feel like the games really do share the same code. I know there are staunch detractors of it, but I've been compiling the "new" features and similarities and what both games are getting patched / updated in, and they both either absolutely do or don't have the same issues, glitches, workarounds, etc.

                                I know many would die on a hill claiming that the game speed difference between the games is what proves they aren't coded the same, but that's just attributed to tuning and sliders AND player ratings - all of which per Madden can be adjusted to match CFB25. CFB25 can't be adjusted absolutely, though. Coupled with camera angle differences, definitive sounds going on being different, play clock differences, a few rules differences but most importantly, the mindset a person even has psychologically with college compared to pros, it's a lot that is going on different in people compared to the legitimate coded differences in these games. Not a single person expects or wants the same out of both games, if they are a true fan of both levels of the game, understand both levels of the game and have long been conditioned to those understandings.

                                I know some may claim that the player editing differences are proof of definitely different codes. I disagree. I thinks it's just a small portion of code because of slightly different allowances in the two levels of the game. The code is glitching in CFB25 because of duplicate jersey numbers and way over 53 man rosters allowed over and over and over - Madden 25 doesn't have that issue, and it's not magic, rather I contend it's because that's the base code that works just fine and has been for years. CFB25 has the drastic new change per rosters, numbers and such.

                                The teambuilder glitches are exactly the same. So on and so on.

                                I admit that I may be very wrong, as I obviously do not work for EA Sports. I'm just saying that all of the data that I'm compiling and looking at is pointing to a certain conclusion that both games share base code. The business decision to have completely different codes - that alone doesn't even make good business sense, really, so I'm not hating on them for doing it, if so. Work smarter, not harder - all that jazz. I get it.
                                I don't understand people who don't know these are the same games with slight differences. The fact you can import draft classes alone should tell them that.

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