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  • countryboy
    Growing pains
    • Sep 2003
    • 52695

    #211
    Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

    Originally posted by umd
    Ah, just saw this now. I'll bite.

    Your gaming habits don't bother me at all. I just find it funny you always defend EA no matter what. You're a broken record around here.

    You're always the first in line to defend Madden to the end yet you wind up buying the last gen version every year because you're obviously not satisfied.

    I just think it's kind of ironic how you love to gloss over everyone else's issues with the next gen games just because you happen to play one way and they play another...what was your silly bathroom picturesque quote? Wasn't it: "playing games for what they are, rather than what they should be?"...

    that doesn't work for many people (I personally take Madden for what it is-an average at best franchise) but it's like your gospel around here. Not everyone likes to play their games at default as you do and thing like DLC, CPU sliders are a big deal for some people. I was looking forward to CPU sliders to be honest. I thought they would have helped the gameplay a great deal for the way I like my football to play.

    You sure do like to push your mantra on everyone who is critical.

    You always got a band-aid -- "blah blah blah just buy a second controller for dummy profiles - everyone needs a second controller eventually..."

    "blah blah blah just pick it up for PS2 if you want to play franchise...''

    "blah blah blah...just do this, just do that"

    "blah blah blah they'll just patch all the bugs - every game has bugs and glitches..."

    I find it particularly funny and personally enjoy these forums because I get to stumble on your EA lovefest in the OS forums as I cruise around. It makes me smile. You're like EA's little silver lining around here. It's entertaining and cute.
    Defend EA to no end? Ok. I'm pretty sure that I have been critical of Madden. Maybe its not well known because I don't plaster it in every single thread that is open. Maybe I should. And maybe my "positive posts" stand out here because there is so much negativity surrounding the board.

    As far as me glossing over issues by stating, buy a second controller, buy the PS2, I mention those to try and help people out, nothing more. The biggest thing that people were missing from the DLC was the cpu sliders. All I was trying to do was try to help people out. But if you would actually read what I write instead of portions of it, you would've noticed that I talked about how a) the dummy profile system is no way excuses EA's bonehead move of removing sliders & b) how there are far greater issues with the game that sliders or DLC weren't going to fix. I guess you missed those two points as you were cruising around checking out what I write.

    And I'm pushing my mantra? Yeah ok. I just point out what I see. I thought that was the purpose of this message board, everyone could state their opinions. But what I find ironic, is there are far greater people that push the negative opinion about Madden than those like me, that talk about the positives. All you have to do is read thru the forum.

    And yes, I play games for what they instead of worrying about what they aren't. I guess you have no idea what that means. That means, that I play the game for what it is, bugs and all. Sometimes the bugs and glitches aren't bad enough that I can enjoy the game. Sometimes they are so horrendous out of the box that the game goes back. And sometimes, they start to wear on me to the point where I can't enjoy the game anymore. And thats whats happened the last two years of Madden. The little annoyances finally break my enjoyment for the game. What I don't do, is worry about whats not in the game. Why? Because call me crazy, but I'd rather focus on whats in the game and could make the game enjoyable rather than whats not in the game and dwell on it like some do. I know, what a silly concept.

    So, I'm sorry that because I don't come onto the boards and slam Madden at every opportunity, that you somehow feel that I have nothing but postitive things to say, because that, my friend, couldn't be further from the truth. See, unless someone is completely slamming Madden on these boards, then they are considered fanboys. Maybe I am one, I don't know nor do I care. If thats what people want to label me, more power to them.But what I do know is that I am going to continue to voice my opinion as I see fit and if that bugs or annoys you, well then maybe you should put me on ignore.

    Originally posted by umd
    I find it particularly funny and personally enjoy these forums because I get to stumble on your EA lovefest in the OS forums as I cruise around. It makes me smile. You're like EA's little silver lining around here. It's entertaining and cute.
    So I'm the reason you keep coming back to the forums? I am the reason you enjoy the forums? And you say I'm cute and entertaining? I make you smile? *Slowly backs out of forum with hands covering behind*


    Take care,

    CB
    Last edited by countryboy; 10-21-2008, 01:27 PM.
    I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

    I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


    Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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    • HealyMonster
      Titans Era has begun.
      • Aug 2002
      • 5992

      #212
      Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

      Originally posted by countryboy



      So I'm the reason you keep coming back to the forums? I am the reason you enjoy the forums? And you say I'm cute and entertaining? I make you smile? *Slowly backs out of forum with hands covering behind*


      Take care,

      CB

      LOL, Im entertained!

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      • SolidSnake07
        Pro
        • Sep 2006
        • 546

        #213
        Re: Madden update information

        Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes
        Any explanation as to why no DLC? Other than, we already have your money?

        LOL. Thats your answer. NBA 2k9 is looking pretty good right about now.

        *In his best Larry David voice*

        "Prettyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy........ good."

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        • countryboy
          Growing pains
          • Sep 2003
          • 52695

          #214
          Re: Madden update information

          Originally posted by SolidSnake07
          LOL. Thats your answer. NBA 2k9 is looking pretty good right about now.

          *In his best Larry David voice*

          "Prettyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy........ good."
          I think NBA 2K9 looks good regardless of what shape Madden's in.
          I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

          I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


          Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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          • mdgoalie37
            MVP
            • Apr 2006
            • 1456

            #215
            Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

            Wow, the silence from EA on this subject is deafening.

            In June (http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-feature.html)
            we were told about EA trying to get the accelerated clock into Madden (my primary interest in the DLC - remember, in June we didn't know that CPU sliders were out) and it took 4 months to get told that it's not coming. 4 months?

            It's funny, I'm not even ticked. I don't really care, and apathy is much worse than anger.

            My gaming time is way down right now with the baseball playoffs (go Phillies!!!) anyway, however in 7-10 days that will be over and I'll be back to gaming more often. Now I don't hate Madden 09, at least not as much as some here, so I guess I will try to play it some along with NCAA and NHL. I have a feeling NHL will wind up taking most of my time.

            That said, I'm out for Madden 2010 until at least October and only if reviews are overwhelmingly positive.
            "It's a dog-eat-dog world and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear."
            -- Norm Peterson

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            • SoxFan01605
              All Star
              • Jan 2008
              • 7982

              #216
              Re: Madden update information

              Originally posted by countryboy
              I think NBA 2K9 looks good regardless of what shape Madden's in.
              That it does

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              • SoxFan01605
                All Star
                • Jan 2008
                • 7982

                #217
                Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                Originally posted by mdgoalie37
                Wow, the silence from EA on this subject is deafening.

                In June (http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-feature.html)
                we were told about EA trying to get the accelerated clock into Madden (my primary interest in the DLC - remember, in June we didn't know that CPU sliders were out) and it took 4 months to get told that it's not coming. 4 months?

                It's funny, I'm not even ticked. I don't really care, and apathy is much worse than anger.

                My gaming time is way down right now with the baseball playoffs (go Phillies!!!) anyway, however in 7-10 days that will be over and I'll be back to gaming more often. Now I don't hate Madden 09, at least not as much as some here, so I guess I will try to play it some along with NCAA and NHL. I have a feeling NHL will wind up taking most of my time.

                That said, I'm out for Madden 2010 until at least October and only if reviews are overwhelmingly positive.
                In all honesty, what do you expect them to say? It got scrapped. I don't think coming in and explaining why will help anything. It will just stir up the haters who are waiting to jump at a chance to attack the devs for it not being out. If there's a good explaination, it won't matter...people with pick it apart. If there isn't a good explaination, then people will pick it apart. Nothing to be gained. It's not as though Ian's been in hiding or something. He's been on here, just not discussing the moot point of the DLC.

                As for Madden 2010, that's probably the best way to go about it. Wait to see if it meets your individual demands (I'd throw in a rental too, to be sure and go from there. My life isn't better or worse because of Madden. I barely played 06-08 (all rentals) and survived just fine. HC lured me into an actual purchase this year (strongly recommend it if you like franchise management simming) but even then I got it used. Hopefully it get's back on track...we'll see.

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                • Segagendude
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 7940

                  #218
                  Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                  The demo this year was pointless, as it wasn't long enough, and it sucked me in graphics-wise.
                  Renting it first is the best advice, as well as reading the initial reviews here.

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                  • mdgoalie37
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 1456

                    #219
                    Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                    Originally posted by SoxFan01605
                    In all honesty, what do you expect them to say? It got scrapped. I don't think coming in and explaining why will help anything. It will just stir up the haters who are waiting to jump at a chance to attack the devs for it not being out. If there's a good explaination, it won't matter...people with pick it apart. If there isn't a good explaination, then people will pick it apart. Nothing to be gained. It's not as though Ian's been in hiding or something. He's been on here, just not discussing the moot point of the DLC.

                    As for Madden 2010, that's probably the best way to go about it. Wait to see if it meets your individual demands (I'd throw in a rental too, to be sure and go from there. My life isn't better or worse because of Madden. I barely played 06-08 (all rentals) and survived just fine. HC lured me into an actual purchase this year (strongly recommend it if you like franchise management simming) but even then I got it used. Hopefully it get's back on track...we'll see.
                    I would like to know which side it to blame - was it never completed or worked on at all (I don't believe this is the case, btw) or was there an issue on the MS/Sony side that prevented the DLC? An why did it take so long to tell us? I think the latter is the question I would like to see answered the most.

                    Like I said above, I'm not even upset - just this whole thing leaves a bad taste.
                    "It's a dog-eat-dog world and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear."
                    -- Norm Peterson

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                    • SoxFan01605
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 7982

                      #220
                      Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                      Originally posted by mdgoalie37
                      I would like to know which side it to blame - was it never completed or worked on at all (I don't believe this is the case, btw) or was there an issue on the MS/Sony side that prevented the DLC? An why did it take so long to tell us? I think the latter is the question I would like to see answered the most.

                      Like I said above, I'm not even upset - just this whole thing leaves a bad taste.
                      I feel ya. I'd like to know too, to be honest. My point is that many wouldn't be able to maturely react to whatever info is given and there is nothing for Ian or Phill to gain from going over it. Maybe they will eventually though, I dunno.

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                      • GTheorenHobbes
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 2572

                        #221
                        Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                        Actually, I think the forum members have acted pretty maturely, considering the disappointing nature of the DLC news and how it was delivered. The sh*t storm that CB predicted never really materialized.

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                        • mdgoalie37
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 1456

                          #222
                          Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                          Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes
                          Actually, I think the forum members have acted pretty maturely, considering the disappointing nature of the DLC news and how it was delivered. The sh*t storm that CB predicted never really materialized.
                          Certainly nothing like the 'no CPU sliders' thread from August. I guess the biggest difference is back then you had a lot of the people who only visit this site when the game is released and now you have more of the hardcore regulars who post all year long.
                          "It's a dog-eat-dog world and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear."
                          -- Norm Peterson

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                          • TheWatcher
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 3408

                            #223
                            Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                            Originally posted by Segagendude
                            The demo this year was pointless, as it wasn't long enough, and it sucked me in graphics-wise.
                            Renting it first is the best advice, as well as reading the initial reviews here.
                            And now you go back to that demo where we all questioned why we couldn't play defense, and even though EA reps said they took defense out of the demo because they wanted to do "something different", it's hard not to come to the conclusion that they did it to cover up the fact that the CPU QB's in '09 are all Joe Montana's with Peyton Manning arms that almost never miss.

                            It's hard to believe that the leaders of the project had no idea that CPU sliders were gone. The only way that could happen is if they don't play their own game. Seriously, how else could they not know? And surely they do play their own game, right? If not, then right there is a core problem with why we've had so many issues. As far as I'm concerned, if you're a project leader of a video game, there should be few if any unknowns about the features and options of the game you're working on, and certainly nothing as major as the absence of CPU sliders...

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                            • countryboy
                              Growing pains
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 52695

                              #224
                              Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                              Originally posted by GTheorenHobbes
                              Actually, I think the forum members have acted pretty maturely, considering the disappointing nature of the DLC news and how it was delivered. The sh*t storm that CB predicted never really materialized.
                              No, it certainly didn't get as bad as I thought it would. It started that direction a few times, but over the long haul, things stayed pretty civilized. But hey, thats a good thing.
                              I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                              I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


                              Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #225
                                Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

                                Originally posted by mdgoalie37
                                Certainly nothing like the 'no CPU sliders' thread from August. I guess the biggest difference is back then you had a lot of the people who only visit this site when the game is released and now you have more of the hardcore regulars who post all year long.
                                Let's not forget those who have moved on because of how the game is and simply don't care about the DLC.

                                Accelerated clock can't "save" a game for some.
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