Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Madden update information

Since the thread I commented in earler was closed, here goes...

The DLC not being released is no big deal, IMO. Is it disappointing? Sure, but only from the standpoint of people having their expectations raised higher than they probably should have been. I asked in the other thread (rhetorically, mostly) what about the DLC would make the game so much more playable? The answer I got (as expected) was CPU sliders. Flashback to the last few years and try to think of one of the big gripes of previous Maddens (non gameplay related). SLIDERS. "They're useless," "They don't work," They don't do enough," Only some work, and not right." The list of gripes about the effectiveness of the Madden sliders was nearly endless. Yet, these are the "game-fixing, Madden is now playable" solution everyone was breathlessly waiting for? Come on fellas.

I'm not bashing Madden, because I personally think 09 is not too bad, but this is all just another case of expectations being too high. Let's say they did release the DLC. Most of you who are so upset now would be complaining that it didn't help the game or didn't work right, etc. I also recall some of those slinging the "it's official, I'm done with Madden" type lines right now, are pretty much on repeat from when patch #2 was released. You're no more or less done now than you were then. You can blame the "EA hype machine" all you want, but at this point, I don't think people can say they bought the game in anticipation of any great improvement. The DLC was never promised or even probable. In fact, there was quite a bit of caution on the part of the devs when it came to DLC. I will watch Madden with reservation as I do each year and make an informed decision about whther or not to purchase. There are aspects that frustrate me too, but I'm not all ramped up because I know what I payed for (basically HC, plus another fair football game...lol). Again, it just seems to be another case of expectations exceeding reality, IMO.

[Jono078]

Re: Madden update information

I still don't like the delay in the snap that they added in patch #2.

Really hope in Madden 10 they make it about 3 seconds instead of 5 minimum or let us choose with a slider perhaps.

For someone like me who plays 5 min qtrs it was painful playing the likes of the Colts.

[Xeper84]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Thanks for the update now i can sell madden on ebay :wink:

Haven't really played it for 3 weeks so it wouldn't make a difference

I just have a BLAST with nba 2k9 on my pc and i hate basketball

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Madden update information

I still don't like the delay in the snap that they added in patch #2.

Really hope in Madden 10 they make it about 3 seconds instead of 5 minimum or let us choose with a slider perhaps.

For someone like me who plays 5 min qtrs it was painful playing the likes of the Colts.

Yeah, it does make playing a longer gasme almost imperative. I actually like the delay (I play longer games though...lol) butt it should at the very least be a toggle option...maybe like in MLB games where you can turn off batter walk ups or other little animations.

[carnalnirvana]

what really makes me mad is that they made me hold on to my copy unitl now when the trade value is basically nothing..........

after playing live and fifa madden is a definate rental next year..... those games are so much better.....

the devs need to stay off the boards ...... dont come here and lie to people to get sales!!!!!

[EAreaper26]

Re: Madden update DLC/3rd patch information

If they made the game too good, then you wouldn't buy madden 2010

[Spanky]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

what really makes me mad is that they made me hold on to my copy unitl now when the trade value is basically nothing..........

BINGO!

Perhaps I was being naive in thinking the DLC had a real good chance to materialize, giving us CPU sliders (was that too much to ask for?). So I held onto my copy (actually kept it collecting dust on the shelf) when I could have gotten more cash for trade-in value. Now it's only fetching $27 at GameStop.

I've purchased four games this year. I think NCAA 09 (post patches), NHL 09 and FIFA 09 are fantastic and I've having a blast playing them. Everytime I look at my copy of Madden 09 with Favre on the cover I curse myself for not renting this first.

[njmcfreak]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Damn, this blows. My Madden is going to hit that GameStop shelve tomorrow, I'm glad it was a gift. I could barely play this game as it is and with no more updates it pointless to own. There is only like 10 more months until Madden 2010 guys keep you heads up. HAhahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahhahah ahahhahahah

[MJenness]

Re: Madden update information

Since the thread I commented in earler was closed, here goes...

The DLC not being released is no big deal, IMO. Is it disappointing? Sure, but only from the standpoint of people having their expectations raised higher than they probably should have been. I asked in the other thread (rhetorically, mostly) what about the DLC would make the game so much more playable? The answer I got (as expected) was CPU sliders. Flashback to the last few years and try to think of one of the big gripes of previous Maddens (non gameplay related). SLIDERS. "They're useless," "They don't work," They don't do enough," Only some work, and not right." The list of gripes about the effectiveness of the Madden sliders was nearly endless. Yet, these are the "game-fixing, Madden is now playable" solution everyone was breathlessly waiting for? Come on fellas.

I'm not bashing Madden, because I personally think 09 is not too bad, but this is all just another case of expectations being too high. Let's say they did release the DLC. Most of you who are so upset now would be complaining that it didn't help the game or didn't work right, etc. I also recall some of those slinging the "it's official, I'm done with Madden" type lines right now, are pretty much on repeat from when patch #2 was released. You're no more or less done now than you were then. You can blame the "EA hype machine" all you want, but at this point, I don't think people can say they bought the game in anticipation of any great improvement. The DLC was never promised or even probable. In fact, there was quite a bit of caution on the part of the devs when it came to DLC. I will watch Madden with reservation as I do each year and make an informed decision about whther or not to purchase. There are aspects that frustrate me too, but I'm not all ramped up because I know what I payed for (basically HC, plus another fair football game...lol). Again, it just seems to be another case of expectations exceeding reality, IMO.

These are all easy remarks to make if YOU are satisfied with the game, however, I think you're in the minority as far as that goes (or it's at least 50/50 now...read the thread about "is Madden broken"). I've seen some pretty hardcore Maddenites jump ship this year...myself included.

For me, sliders held at least the POSSIBILITY of having a current NFL game to play this year....now that pipe dream died with this announcement.

[DC fan for life]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I am so glad my pretty girlfriend went away, and my not so pretty ex-girlfriend came back, seriously the 360 madden is way to overrated, to many things missing, with this said, i am much happier playing the Ps2 madden, at least we know what we are getting, and it is a pretty good game, not great, but at least when i play now, i have something to smile about, thank you ex-girlfriend.

[mrjordan]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE!!!!



The feedback has been great ...from 6 year olds!
That commercial where the guy is playing his 6 year old daughter and "the game adjusts to you"...thats what this is all about, not us sim gamers. Not since '05.


This is why I downloaded updated NFL2k5 rosters yesterday from the espn2k5 forum.
I got tired of waiting...good thing I got a head start.

If 2k5 had a shot at NFL football, madden would be dead in the water.

BOTTOM LINE, how can you release a sports game where you cant control the style of gameplay?

Its in the shame!

[Moegames]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I dont really care anymore.. im holding my true finaly judgement on Madden 2010. If it bombs or comes out just as flawed as 09.. im totally done until a new development team takes over for EAport's football games or something else drastic happens...but i have high hopes for Madden 2010, i honestly do..i think they heard our cries and have seen our input and suggestions. If we ..the core gamers of madden mean ANYTHING To tiburon..we'll see a Madden next year that explodes with LIFE, that has that REAL atmosphere of NFL Football, that character, that fresh feel to it, that adrenaline filled football game we all been waiting for for so long.

Personally, im gonna give Madden one last shot next year..but thats it, if Madden 2010 dont deliver again, im TOTALLY done.

1. We want all the freaking bugs fixed, all the flawed gameplay elements changed totally around to where they are no longer an issue.

2. We want "choice" i feel us gamers that shell out money each year deserves CHOICE in madden, if we dont have choice in NFL football videogames..ATLEAST give us choice in the only NFL football game and this means sliders for both ends, a huge selection of game functions and of course various camera's including a custom camera option.

3. And this is JUST AS IMPORTANT AS 1 & 2. We MUST have a NFL Football videogame that has "heart & soul" which means atmosphere splattered all over the game..from pregame, during the game, half time show, end game show, playoff atmosphere, superbowl atmosphere,etc. We WANT and DESERVE not only a well playing madden but a madden thats also FUN and EXICTING TO PLAY!! This means tons of cut scenes, so many that they dont repeat too often. Also pregame stuff.. coaches, players, team staff, fans,etc gettng pumped in various cut scenes,etc..every game is DIFFRENT..lets not do this same routine each game..MIX IT UP..dont let it get old like in Head Coach..geezus, a monkey could do better. Look..just make madden fun and exciting.. make sure when we play a regular game that the play off games dont feel like a regular season game..i mean..how hard is taht to grasp or see? Then maybe take a peak at NFL2k5, do something like they did for half time or just something that makes it feel like a "real" half time show. More player emotion on the field, on the sidelines,etc.. lets see "GANG" celebrations after a TD.. just make the game feel REAL! Thats all you guys gotta do.. and you'll have a HUGE following of proud Madden players.

Its such a HUGE part of NFL Football..that Heart and soul i talk about..its wat the players thrive off of and more importantly, its what the fans thrive off of.. if Madden does not possess this important ingredient..its simply gonna feel dead as a door knob, stale, boring, repeative,etc.. PUT SOME LIFE INTO MADDEN 2010 FOR ONCE!!

Why not? You never tried it before..how about this, take our word for it this one time and listen to the "real gamers" not by some corporate yuppy, sitting behind a desk that hardly picks up his sticks *gamepad*.... look we deserve this, Tiburon Devs!! Give us what we been patiently waiting for...cant you see your destroying your hopes and this feeling of looking foward to the next madden? I havent looked forward for a next year's NFL football game in YEARS!! We suffered enough...

[Garrett67]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

Now that Live has stepped it up, isn't it funny how EA's most popular game is the worst?

They really, and I mean REALLY need to scrap the entire game.. the code, the animations... everything and start over from null. They have just been piling **** on **** every year , and that pile is about to avalanche.

[MJenness]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

I dont really care anymore.. im holding my true finaly judgement on Madden 2010. If it bombs or comes out just as flawed as 09.. im totally done until a new development team takes over for EAport's football games or something else drastic happens...but i have high hopes for Madden 2010, i honestly do..i think they heard our cries and have seen our input and suggestions. If we ..the core gamers of madden mean ANYTHING To tiburon..we'll see a Madden next year that explodes with LIFE, that has that REAL atmosphere of NFL Football, that character, that fresh feel to it, that adrenaline filled football game we all been waiting for for so long.

Personally, im gonna give Madden one last shot next year..but thats it, if Madden 2010 dont deliver again, im TOTALLY done.

1. We want all the freaking bugs fixed, all the flawed gameplay elements changed totally around to where they are no longer an issue.

2. We want "choice" i feel us gamers that hell out money each year deserves CHOICE in madden, if we dont have choice in NFL football videogames..ATLEAST give us choice in the only NFL football game and this means sliders for both ends, a huge selection of game functions and of course various camera's including a custom camera option.

3. And this is JUST AS IMPORTANT AS 1 & 2. We MUST have a NFL Football videogame that has "heart & soul" which means atmosphere splattered all over the game..from pregame, during the game, half time show, end game show, playoff atmosphere, superbowl atmosphere,etc. We WANT and DESERVE not only a well playing madden but a madden thats also FUN and EXICTING TO PLAY!! This means tons of cut scenes, so many that they dont repeat too often. Also pregame stuff.. coaches, players, team staff, fans,etc gettng pumped in various cut scenes,etc..every game is DIFFRENT..lets not do this same routine each game..MIX IT UP..dont let it get old like in Head Coach..geezus, a monkey could do better. Look..just make madden fun and exciting.. make sure when we play a regular game that the play off games dont feel like a regular season game..i mean..how hard is taht to grasp or see?

Its such a HUGE part of NFL Football..that Heart and soul i talk about..its wat the players thrive off of and more importantly, its what the fans thrive off of.. if Madden does not possess this important ingredient..its simply gonna feel dead as a door knob, stale, boring, repeative,etc.. PUT SOME LIFE INTO MADDEN 2010 FOR ONCE!!

Why not? You never tried it before..how about this, take our word for it this one time and listen to the "real gamers" not by some corportate yuppy that hardly picks up his sticks *gamepad*.... look we deserve this, Tiburon Devs!! Give us what we been patiently waiting for...cant you see your destroying your hopes and this feeling of looking foward to the next madden? I havent looked forward for a next year's NFL football game in YEARS!! We suffered enough...

I agree 100% with MOST of what you said, but I put in bold that which I disagree with.

When the CURRENT dev team made decisions to "fix" broken elements of this game by 1) turning OFF fatigue to balance online no-huddle, rather than making OFFENSIVE fatigue higher (thereby punishing the cheesers by having the offense make errors such as false starts, errant passes, etc) and 2) "fixing" the QB throwing beyond the LOS (which should be a penalty, plain and simple) by having it so the DB doesn't leave the reciever wide open.

Think about it...those were THESE SAME PEOPLES fixes to these problems....personally, that does NOT instill confidence in me. That shows the same approach is being taken today as it was these past few years.....band-aid a major problem with the quickest and easiest fix, not making it right!

And now this....no DLC. So they're basically saying "hey, we got your $60.00, better luck next year....see ya"

[bigpapa_bliss]

Re: Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

DLC - Developers Lacking Commitment

Actually, a COMPANY lacking commitment to a once great product !

I feel bad for all the people who where anxiously waiting for some hope of making a once again lackluster product even playable.

Luckily I sold mine at Gamestop for $30 3 days ago.