The First Official Feature For Madden NFL 10!

[NumberOneRB]

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I'd have to say that I agree with those that have said the emotions need to be amped up quite a bit. That youtube video showing the IK/PA emotions was rather bland and lacked differentiation among the emotions being showcased.

I think it would be wise to take a look at what VC has done emotion-wise with NBA 2k9. Players literally scream in that game after a big play and the emotions vary greatly in facial expression as necessary. The head tracking looks promising if it actually effects the ability of a WR or defensive player to make a play on the ball, but I must stress that the emotions must be amped up greatly from what I've seen in those demo vids.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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So the big first announcement is head tracking? Gotta start somewhere, I guess.

[Rocky]

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This will be great if it works well. I second that it should be implemented for the OL, and for RB's in the backfield and picking up blocks

Co-sign. I was playing NCAA and blitzed my RCB....the LG picked him up as I was about to make the sack!!!!! That crap needs to go. Hopefully, Procedural Awareness will curb that.

[PioneerRaptor]

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Yeah engine talk because it needs it badly.

No it doesn't. You're just posting and being ignorant. He isn't asking for a new engine, and it's not getting a new engine. He wants comments on what he posted, not stuff that isn't going to happen.

The Madden games have been getting better, the engine is just fine.

[The Bringer]

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This would best be utilized on player cut scenes,sideline interaction,coach animations,coin flip,halftime and post game shows.


think 2k5 on steroids using this Procedural Awareness

[KingCashus]

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this can make defenders getting faked out by play actions pay attention to the running back instead of the quarterback or receiver they're suppose to be covering. I could also imagine this could effect the QB in pre-snap when they are discovering the defensive schemes and detailing a audible or hot route to a player.


Emotion is also part of sports videos games and its something that has yet to be reflected in a great matter from all the games I have played. Football players always display some sort of emotion after a play, especially big plays. Some players show their emotions off more so then other players as well. I would not only love to see players react emotionally after a big play, but I would like to see some players have larger degrees of showing emotion then others. I want to see TO get upset after being open and not getting the ball in a incomplete or intercepted play. Where another receiver in the same situation may just look disappointed but not displaying it too much. If this can be done it's one step forward for the presentation the community has been crying for. Add in the playoff factor and making players reaction emotionally because of how big each play is in those games, and that is cheery on top for playoff presentation.

MY WORDS EXACTLY...

This is an excellent start for the Madden Team...btw, am I the only one very impressed by that "Dwayne Wade" video?

[drlw322]

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that was great, just couple of questions. when DB tracks the ball in the air, will it their head have proper rotation to their bodies. there fore certain ways they track the ball will make them lose the receivers if they dont have the WR body up or put them out of position to make the play on the WR or ball. If that doesn't happens at times it would be unrealistic, i would hate to see the head rotate in a unnatural proportion to their body.

second, i think the emotion should show more facial expression like the brows tited more on intense. also trash talking would be cool.

great stuff again thanks for the info

[LAKE4742]

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I think this is pretty cool. They have to see the ball before they can make a play, they have to see the runner to react correctly.

This in addition to some other fixes could be very, very good.

Yes, this is what it seems like to me. Good stuff, Ian! With this new tech, hopefully players will play, move, and react more naturally and realistically-making canned animations more obselete! Very cool!

[countryboy]

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Yeah engine talk because it needs it badly.

This thread isn't a wishlist or a place to speak as to what you think Madden needs. This thread is about the new Procedural Awareness and how its implemented and what other situations we'd like to see PA be used in.

There's no need for hijacking the thread with "it needs a new engine..blah..blah..blah.." Use the wishlist sub forum to talk about that, not this thread. Thanks.

[geraldparr]

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should definitely be used with quarterbacks. veteran qbs should be able to come off their reads/progression much faster than rookie qbs. but for user controlled qbs it won't matter.

[King Gro23]

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This will be great if it works well. I second that it should be implemented for the OL, and for RB's in the backfield and picking up blocks

Triple that up, now we could actually have reason to say well he didnt block him because he never seen him instead of I see you, but cant block you because the A.I. says so.

[countryboy]

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I'd like to see this carried over to penalties. What I mean is, a defensive player being called for pass interference for face guarding a receiver and not "looking back" at the ball.

[countryboy]

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What about carrying it over to running backs and fumbles. Meaning that if a runner doesn't see a hit coming, the possibility of him fumbling increases.

[Hotlanta]

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For Procedural Awareness also one thing it can be used for is punt/kickoff returners though I assume this would already be done.

For emotions we need a happy one. Prime player I wanna see this on is Hines Ward lol. I've seen countless smiles after first downs from him in this Superbowl already.

[monkeybutlerz]

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I'm wondering if it's going to have an effect on the actual players. Will the DB still make an INT he has no business making, with the sole difference that he follows the ball? If a WR has a step on a DB or if you're trying to throw over a LB who has his back turned (cover 2 up the seam for example), can they still make the play if their head doesn't get turned? Or will their head just turn for them and they'll make the play anyway?

One thing I'd like to see implemented is if a WR has a step on a DB, and the DB has to run all out to try and keep up, he shouldn't be able to turn his head to make a play on the ball (when his back is to the play - which differs from other situations).

In terms of implementing the feature pre-snap. I want to see Ed Reed scanning the field, pointing things out to his teamates (and I want them to look back and communicating!). I want to see Manning keeping an eye on Polamalu coming up to the line and moving around. I want to see my QB look at the ref when he calls for timeout. Little details like this play just as big a part of presentation value as stat overlays. I want to see Ray Lewis shouting things, waving his arms and one or two of his teamates take a peek over at him and make changes.

What we don't want is 11 heads on defense following the ball when it's in the air. It would be great to see a passrusher get to the QB a second late, and then as they're both on the ground, watch the QB and the pass rusher turn their heads to see what happens (and you could show this kind of thing in the little presentation replays).

I want the CBs and LBs to not be able to turn their heads whenever they want when the ball is thrown. If a LB is running up the seam in cover 2, but a TE has a step on him and I try to throw it over him, I don't want to see a superman play and his head turns around, when he shouldn't be able to get there. Turning your head when your back is turned should slow the player down a little bit!

And there should be a stat for this, some CBs don't have good ball skills while some other CBs may not be as good in terms of their coverage but are better at tracking balls. It would really add the the individuality of the players.

You could also use it when an Olineman whiffs on his block (and falls down or something) but his head keeps looking at his man. And then he does that thing where they put their hands on their hips and look sheepish.

I think if you guys brought back vision cone, it could work to perfection with the QBs. Playing defense for me is no where near as enjoyable when I can't try and read the QBs eyes.

If implemented correctly and if it plays into the functionality of the players, this could be a huge tool for improving the atmosphere and giving the game a more organic feel.