Madden NFL 10 Blog: Player Ratings - A New Philosophy, A New Era

[SHO]

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I hope weight and size also has been re-tuned to have more emphasis on player ratings and matchups. I HATE, seeing a small player be able to take on a big player more times then not like they're all little beasts. This is also a very important part of line battles and why the 3-4 doesn't work like it should because that one nosetackle can't create havoc due to his strength and size.

I agree with this. The 3-4 doesn't really work like it should in Madden/NCAA and it's easy to take a 4-3 team with small quick linebackers and linemen run the 3-4 without skipping a beat. And with so many 3-4 teams in the teams in the league now, it would be nice to actually see it work for a change.

Will these rating effects be taking effect in NCAA '10?

[FootballDetails]

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What makes me happy is...imagine if we just dropped this in some random interview in June like the old days.

Very good point. It's amazing that we're discussing this in February. I feel like the game is coming out next month.

Ian and I had a game the other day...

Had a game! A game of Madden 10! People are already playing Madden 10! That's crazy.

[SonOfWisconsin]

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Ryan grant will actually be able to get big gains now! Praise be to ian.

[Segagendude]

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Had a game! A game of Madden 10! People are already playing Madden 10! That's crazy.

Perks of being on the actual developement team......lol....*jealous sigh*

[DLaren]

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Paranoia is running rampant through this thread...

Which is wierd because they did this exact same thing in NFL Headcoach'09; and it worked out wonderfully in my opinion. If it's anything like what they did in HeadCoach, I'm going to be happy with this in Madden'10.

[IanCummingsFriend]

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How often will a 2nd or 3rd reciever drop the ball? I hated when the WR was wide open no one around him, only to drop it and theres nothing i can do about it lol. I'm not saying catch it everytime but if he's wide open, catch it majority of the time. Not including taking a shot right after he catches it.

[Segagendude]

Re: Madden NFL 10 blog 2: Ratings philosophy by Donny Moore

As an example, if Peyton goes down and Sorgi comes in...oh boy. You better get that run game going.

That's what I'm talking about!!! No more backup QB's who put up Brady-like stats in their debut game!

[Phil_Frazier]

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Ahhh hair on fire, running with scissors, black heliocopters, big brother...
The more important question is what did Peter Moore think of today's build? I heard he got a demo today!

Peter Moore is in the office on Wednesday. We're still chipping away on the Peter Moore build, trying to add as many bells ans whistles as possible.

He'll love it. We are going to show him a feature he plans to announce on his blog really soon. It will likely be the first screenshot of Madden NFL 10 that gets released.

Phil

[blvdboi22]

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Let me give you guys an example….in Madden NFL 09 all of the WR’s Route Running ratings ranged from 62-99. In the current Madden NFL 10 build, WR’s now check in from 35-99. To counter this on the defensive side, all CB’s in Madden NFL 09 had a Man Coverage rating which ranged from 64-99. Now in Madden NFL 10, CB’s Man Coverage range is currently 40-99.

So i can Play man coverage again so that is what this is saying i hope thats what it means

[ch46647]

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Peter Moore is in the office on Wednesday. We're still chipping away on the Peter Moore build, trying to add as many bells ans whistles as possible.

He'll love it. We are going to show him a feature he plans to announce on his blog really soon. It will likely be the first screenshot of Madden NFL 10 that gets released.

Phil

All this great news is getting me so excited!!! I cant wait to see the first Madden 10 screenshot since Ian said the graphics are "WAAAYYY better" Keep it coming Madden 10 team!

[supdog]

How is the speed of a player decided? Are you dropping joe smoes speed just so his rating will drop? And if you are dropping joe smoes speed are you going to be dropping everyones speed? You have some players that are faster than other players in the game but in real life its the other way around.

[thudias]

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I don't think tapping will make a difference and will be more so annoying then anything. People will just keep tapping like crazy even then there not in open space. Making it just the same as holding the button. If they're getting the handoff, all they would have to do is tap like crazy to reach full speed at the line of scrimmage anyway. But if there's a hole, aren't some players at to top speed or damn near at it when they reach the LOS anyway?

There has to be actions that causes a player to decelerate or not be able to pull off at top speed. I don't think we have to make players tap the sprint button to make them run.

I agree with joborule...Not to be pessimistic but tapping a button seems arcadish. One of the NHL games had accelaration down to a science. Madden should go that route.

[thudias]

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Peter Moore is in the office on Wednesday. We're still chipping away on the Peter Moore build, trying to add as many bells ans whistles as possible.

He'll love it. We are going to show him a feature he plans to announce on his blog really soon. It will likely be the first screenshot of Madden NFL 10 that gets released.

Phil

Ive never seen Peter's blog..does anyone have a link?

[adembroski]

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How is the speed of a player decided?

For most players, it's a formula that weighs the 40 time at about a 2-1 split between speed and acceleration, based on the player type. I used to have a chart I'd use to plug the combine numbers into and I'd know within 1-2 what each player's speed and acceleration in Madden would be. Wish I could find the ****in' thing.

I wanted to show it to whoever was doing rookie ratings at the time. I think they'd flip on how accurate it was. It wasn't exact, but it was so close that it couldn't be a coincidence. They have a system, and it is based primarily on combine numbers.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Madden NFL 10 blog 2: Ratings philosophy by Donny Moore

Really, 1 out of 10 is not realistic. Actually, of the 2 players being mentioned this last season johnson only broke a 20 yard run one out of every 27.88 times he touched the ball. He only hit 40 yards one out of every 83.67 times. As for sproles he only hit 20 yards one out of every 20.33 times and never had a 40 yard carry. That said spoles did make 20 yards one out of every 5.8 catches and hit 40 one out of 29 times. Johnson however only hit on one out of every 21.5 catches and never hit 40 on a catch.

Actually out of players with at least 60 carries correll buckhalter was the "most explosive" in terms of 20 yard carries making one every 15.2 carries. Tyler thigpen had one every 15.5 and ahmad bradshaw one per 16.75 were the only 2 real close to that. For backs who carried the ball at least 100 times one per 18.15 by AD was the top mark. Deangelo williams and brandon jacobs at one per 18.2 and one per 18.25 were the next best.

For players with at least 60 carries top makes for 40 yard runs were one per 25.33 by leon washington and one per 31.67 by jerious norwood. For 100 carry backs Earnest Graham who was mentioned earlier actually led with one per 44. Slaton had one every 53.6 and williams had one every 54.6 as number 2 and 3.

In madden if you have a fast player they already break these 40 yard runs every game. I hope this will not extend their power by making them faster than everyone else around them.

That's a really great post. I love that the ratings are "stretched out" and the star players are more highly individuated as a result, but I am wary of statements like "Chris Johnson is lethal now" and "every back is lethal to a degree" if they're not balanced out with stronger defensive AI that allows for proper gap control, pursuit, etc.

Don't get me wrong, Chris Johnson is lethal, but as you show, statistically that translates to big plays at a far lower rate than video gamers are accustomed to.