Madden NFL 10: PRO-TAK - What's NOT There Yet...

[adembroski]

Re: PRO-TAK - what's NOT there yet...

You're confused.

Realism is different from a player's perspective than a fan-in-the-stand's perspective.

The player sees hits right in his face, and fast movements all round him, noise everywhere. And that's exactly what BB has shown so far. So it is SIM-ulation, from the players' perspective.

What Madden tries to achieve is SIM-ulation from a coach or a fan's perspective, seeing the whole field, knowing where everyone is, etc.

If you really did understand this concept, there should be no concern at all in that aspect. Yet I see quite the opposite on this forum.

No... in the vernacular of this forum, "SIM" refers to realism. Not perception. You can have realism no matter where you put the camera or how you focus the audio. Flying tackles and glowing balls are still arcade. If Madden had it, no matter how deep the playbooks or where the camera was, it would be arcade. If BackBreaker was the most realistic depiction of football in history and put the cameras low on the field and blew up the player-perspective audio, it'd be sim.

Backbreaker is not a sim. I'm not saying it's necessarily arcade... it may very well be something new, all its own, and thats never a bad thing. I think this is where you are getting confused; I don't like the glowing ball or the flying tackles, but I never once said I had any problem with Backbreaker or hoped it would fail or even thought it would. I can't wait to get my hands on it, actually, and it may very well end up being extremely addictive.

But they have earned nothing. They deserve nothing. When I have a game in my hands that makes me pine for it while I'm at work, I'll praise 'em. Not before. Madden 10 has already done that for me.

PS: I'm going to kindly ask you a second time to stop talking down to me. I'm not 12.

[jjdogjjdog5162]

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ugghh...can we just get a backbreaker board already so this stuff will stop appearing in Madden Forums. Seriously, all these post defending/comparing backbreaker are getting old.

[adembroski]

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ugghh...can we just get a backbreaker board already so this stuff will stop appearing in Madden Forums. Seriously, all these post defending/comparing backbreaker are getting old.

They'd still post here. Many of them are not interested in actually talking about BackBreaker, they just want something to compare Madden negatively too.

[hmoob]

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No... in the vernacular of this forum, "SIM" refers to realism. Not perception. You can have realism no matter where you put the camera or how you focus the audio. Flying tackles and glowing balls are still arcade. If Madden had it, no matter how deep the playbooks or where the camera was, it would be arcade. If BackBreaker was the most realistic depiction of football in history and put the cameras low on the field and blew up the player-perspective audio, it'd be sim.

Backbreaker is not a sim. I'm not saying it's necessarily arcade... it may very well be something new, all its own, and thats never a bad thing. I think this is where you are getting confused; I don't like the glowing ball or the flying tackles, but I never once said I had any problem with Backbreaker or hoped it would fail or even thought it would. I can't wait to get my hands on it, actually, and it may very well end up being extremely addictive.

But they have earned nothing. They deserve nothing. When I have a game in my hands that makes me pine for it while I'm at work, I'll praise 'em. Not before. Madden 10 has already done that for me.

It's clear this is isn't going anywhere.

You're bias is clear and I can understand that. You've been given special privledges by the Madden team therefore it's natural for a average human being like you to have an emotional connection towards them and favor them, and your logic gets clouded, the hype takes over. It's ok though, You'll buy BB just like me.

I wouldn't be surprised if you forced yourself to play Madden (assuming Madden fails) just to support EA with your time.

[RGiles36]

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They'd still post here. Many of them are not interested in actually talking about BackBreaker, they just want something to compare Madden negatively too.

+1

BTW, good stuff Ian. It's comforting to know that there's still some critical work going into PRO-TAK to make it look better.

[jjdogjjdog5162]

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They'd still post here. They're not interested in actually talking about BackBreaker, they just want something to compare Madden negatively too.

True. I just dont understand it. I love football games, and have been watching backbreaker, but im not going to say anything about it after a few short videos on tackling. I've went to their forum and tried to sift through the info to find anything about it being "sim" or franchise, or rules, or amount of teams, or gameplay in general, yet im not finding anything.

Maybe im looking at the wrong place, but i dont know how you could start comparing the game with a established franchise after what, 5 videos? And all they show is tackles and 1 pass.

On to the topic of this thread, im excited to actually see try pro-tak with all this stuff implemented. I like what i have seen so far, and these things make it sound like its only going to be getting better and better. One thing that excites me is hearing that the play can be called dead like in real life. Thats a "little" thing that i would of never of thought of. That will help with the immersion factor. Something madden has been missing for me for along time.

[tron8]

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Sounds like the final product will be awesome

[speedy9386]

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Why everytime I say something nobody listens? I said THE DEVS SAID THAT THE GLOWING BALL IS JUST A TRACKING SYSTEM ON REPLAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hmoob]

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Hey, if we get a BB board on OS, I would never post here. What I think would happen is that many Madden fanboys would come over there.

[hmoob]

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Why everytime I say something nobody listens? I said THE DEVS SAID THAT THE GLOWING BALL IS JUST A TRACKING SYSTEM ON REPLAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said speedy, Madden fanboys ignore any information non-Madden related.

[Unforgiven]

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Wow, there is a nice sum of fanboyism in here. If you don't like what BB has to offer, then DON'T PLAY IT. If you don't like what Madden has to offer, then DON'T PLAY IT. I don't see why this has to expand, and eventually begin to derail a thread such as this. Can we move on, and talk on topic for once, please?

Anyways, from what I understand, Pro-tak will become less of a struggle, and more of who is the biggest guy that can jump in..?

And I'd like to see it where someone can come in at full speed, and lay a huge hit on the ball carrier. I'd hope that its not just going to be a few steps from side to side every single time. I'd also like to see some ball stripping animations in there to, like Urlacher always seems to do when there is a slew of defenders standing up the ball carrier.

[adembroski]

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It's clear this is isn't going anywhere.

You're bias is clear and I can understand that. You've been given special privledges by the Madden team therefore it's natural for a average human being like you to have an emotional connection towards them and favor them, and your logic gets clouded, the hype takes over. It's ok though, You'll buy BB just like me.

I wouldn't be surprised if you forced yourself to play Madden (assuming Madden fails) just to support EA with your time.

You know, I've been nothing but respectful. I've twice asked you to act with a modicum of respect, and you've ignored me twice. It's unfortunate you're on the other side of a computer screen because I sure wish I could break your fecking nose right now.

I considered ignoring this post because, well, it's rather infantile, and I can see you're more interested in attention whoring than debating, so from here out I will... but I just wanted to tell you that you have not-a-******* clue who I am or what I think. Do not presume to know what's going on inside my head.

You're a hypocrite and quite honestly, you're coming off as the biggest fanboy on these boards. You have been on here kissing BB *** from day one with no ****ing reason. I've played Madden, I have reason, and yes, I am able to put aside the hookers and blow they gave us and judge it on it's own merits. I hope to God BB is great, but that's not going to stop me from calling it out where it needs to improve. You wanna talk about cheap shots? How about assuming Ian Cummings = David Ortiz.

Anyways, I'm done. I'll let the rest of the board deal with you now. Most of them wont be as nice, thankfully.

[hmoob]

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You know, I've been nothing but respectful. I've twice asked you to act with a modicum of respect, and you've ignored me twice. It's unfortunate you're on the other side of a computer screen because I sure wish I could break your fecking nose right now.

I considered ignoring this post because, well, it's rather infantile, and I can see you're more interested in attention whoring than debating, so from here out I will... but I just wanted to tell you that you have not-a-******* clue who I am or what I think. Do not presume to know what's going on inside my head.

You're a hypocrite and quite honestly, you're coming off as the biggest fanboy on these boards. You have been on here kissing BB *** from day one with no ****ing reason. I've played Madden, I have reason, and yes, I am able to put aside the hookers and blow they gave us and judge it on it's own merits. I hope to God BB is great, but that's not going to stop me from calling it out where it needs to improve. You wanna talk about cheap shots? How about assuming Ian Cummings = David Ortiz.

Anyways, I'm done. I'll let the rest of the board deal with you now. Most of them wont be as nice, thankfully.

My last words are:

It must taste good, huh?

[canes21]

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lol First of all. The glowing ball is in replays and it may be an option in the final product. I still don't see how that makes the game unsim. Madden's balls are not even close to the correct size, though 10 is fixing that, so is Madden not sim?

Also, I find it funny that everyone blindly says Backbreaker his nothing but Blitz style tackles. First of all, blitz tackles usually end up 5 feet in the air. I don't see that in Backbreaker. Second of all, the developers are tuning the tackles to make them realistic. The only reason we see all these diving tackles is because those are highlight reel tackles. The trailers are meant to hype the game. If they just made a trailer full of regular old tackles, no casual would be interested.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Backbreaker will be the most realistic football game to date. It uses the engine of the future. This engine reflects real momentum, gravity, etc. This will make players have to learn how to sprint and stay agile. The developers already stated that if you try to juke in aggressive mode you will fail hard. Before anyone says aggressive mode sounds like a Blitz idea,. Its more realistic than Sprint Buttons. Sprint buttons make you reach top speed in under a millisecond. Aggressive mode makes your guy lower his should and pick up momentum and speed as he goes.

Thank you.

[prettyrik]

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This is the exact purpose of forums and people expressing their criticism’s constructively to EA development team about the madden franchise. This is more reassurance to me that Ian and the rest of EA development team are reading our posts/blogs and acknowledging them in a timely manner letting us know what they are trying to do address issues and concerns raised by the madden community and the challenges they are currently facing. Instead of people constantly bashing who have no clue of what goes on behind the scenes of making a video game every year for the madden community's leisurely pleasure. Keep up the good work EA. Also a apexisfree should be acknowledge for making the constructive blog to get a response from the EA development team. That guy's videos are hilarious along with his vocabulary "U know" lmao.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>