Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

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Tom Brady is NOT the reason the patriots kept their last super bowl close. When the "Most prolific" offense in history musters 14 points you can't possibly say that he was the reason they were in it til the end. It was their defense. I simply stopped reading your post after that because your logic fails.

[cowboyscowboys]

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Micheal Turner and Tony Gonzalez, I think i might actually play with the falcons this year.

I never understood how people don't play with their favorite team? Ya you want to win but for me if I don't win with the Cowboys I dont win at all.

[Glorious Arc]

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@ adembroski

I almost agree with you on all accounts with your post about Brady VS Manning. I feel that Manning is more accurate in the middle range then Brady but otherwise Brady is slightly more accurate on shorter and longer passes. But both of them are so close to each other in accuracy its only a 1-3 point difference. The only reason why they may have brought Brady down was because he was hurt.

On my arguement with Russel and Brady I was taking the strongest arm currently in the NFL and comparing what he can do IRL and what Brady can do IRL. I was then saying comparing how they would perform in the game.

Its obvious the Russel has a MUCH stronger arm then brady(5-10 points stronger). Yet so many homers think Brady should be in a 2-3 point range of Russels arm.

Russel has a one in a billion arm. That is right...Not million but billion. I may be overstating it a little but I hope that gets reflected in Madden as such. No one in the league is currently in 5-10 yards of how far Russel can throw and only a couple are clsoe to how much zip he can put on the ball. I will be slightly upset if I use him and I cant throw the ball 70-80 yards.

[kcarr]

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You guys call yourselves football fans and say assinine things like this???

Do us all a favor and never log into this site again..

Wow, a true AD fanboy, so it is completely assinine to say that a guy who ran a 4.4 40 should not be the fastest guy in the game? I know football speed and track speed are different but when they are in the open field there are players who are faster than adrian wether you want to believe it or not.

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A "System Quarterback" is a quarterback who cannot play outside of the system he fits into, not a player who can't improvise. If you want to make up terminology, go ahead, but don't misuse existing phrases to make your point. It muddles the argument.

I disagree (bet that's a surprise)

In the case of the NFL being wholly reliant on the system makes you a system QB. If you can't make plays outside of it, then what else would you be called? These guys have been nursed and coddled like babies so to call them elite is to defeat the English language.

Anyways, I hate to inform you, but every NFL team and quarterback play with the same rules, and those rules have been fairly consistent since 1978. Other quarterbacks are unable to match Manning and Brady's accomplishments with the same rules, and in most cases until the last 2 years, better talent around them than Brady.

Informing people of common knowledge is not sim.

All offenses are allowed to cheat, but that does not make the game fair. If you are a run-based team, or a defensive powerhouse and not a pass-happy squad then you are being cheated by the rules. The rules are only fair if BOTH TEAMS run pass-heavy offenses.

I asked this question in another thread, and I'll ask you here: What if MLB allowed DHs to use steroids, but not position players. Would you respect the records broken by the roided up DHs? Probably not. Would you respect teams that won on the strenght of their DHs? Probably not. This is what has happened with QBs in the NFL.

One segment of players has been given the green light to cheat. The part that sickens me is listenting to people talk about those same cheating players as though they are the BEST PLAYERS IN THE NFL.

The biggest lie in sports, and you hear it every week in the NFL, "Quarterback is the most difficult position to play in all of professional sports". LIE. Cornerback is the most difficult position in all of professional sports. The list of great QBs is as long as your arm. The list of great CBs can be counted on one hand.

Bottom line: these guys are not real. They're stats are artificially inflated. The NFL manufactures superstars at QB rather than having them define themselves through adversity.

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I find this thread shocking. Truly shocking.

Regarding the various QB arguments, I'm going to ignore all of them but the Brady vs. Manning one, because it's the only valid one. There are two starting QBs in the league right now that are no-questions-asked first ballot Hall of Famers, and neither of them wear a nameplate that reaches their shoulders.

"Clutch throws"? Easy answer to that; it doesn't matter how you win, only that you win. And Tom Brady has done more of that than any other QB in the league right now. If not for David Tyree, we wouldn't be having this argument. Back around '98, there was a young QB in the league that people thought was the next Joe Montana. His name was Jake Plummer. And he got that reputation on the basis that he was pulling off miracle comeback wins late in games with regularity... what people failed to realize at that time was that Jake Plummer was the primary reason the team was trailing at that time.


Tom Brady is not Joe Montana, but he's the closest thing you youngans will ever see. It's deceptive... he's so good, he doesn't even look that good. He just picks you apart yard by yard, and you never even think he's having that great of a game until it's over and you've gotten your *** handed too you.

Tom Brady is a ton like Montana... who I also thought was a dink-dunker haha. But he was also a great QB. And I think Peyton is like Marino, too. Peyton does have a strong arm, I think, and Brady probably does have a slight edge in short and long throws (I'd give the mid-range to Manning). What you said about Brady, how he gets you yard by yard, and how you don't even realize he's had a great game... that is exactly how I see it, and I couldn't have said it better. But that's the reason I think he's somewhat unremarkable for such an accomplished passer. Those easier short throws is how that offense is run. And those short throws are all the more open now that Moss is there.

As a Steelers fan, I don't like the subtle Plummer-Roethlisberger comparison.It doesn't really even make since. You say winners 'just win,' well Roethlisberger just wins. 2 SBs, 50 regular season wins in 5 seasons... the list goes on.

Plummer didn't really win until he got to the Broncos, and he still never made it to a super bowl. And I really don't think anybody thought he was the next Montana. He was decent: a gritty QB who was good in 4th quarters but was never an upper-tier QB. He never put up great numbers. He had yards, but threw a lot of INTs (In 7 of his 10 seasons he averaged over 1 INT per game, and had 5 20 INT seasons, and only 4 seasons with more TDs than picks). So yeah, he often was a reason for his teams being down.

That's not the case with Roethlisberger at all, though. He's been a very efficient passer (he still does have a decently high INT% compared to the likes of Manning and Brady), but has been incredible throughout his career in terms of YPA, and very good in TD% and completion %. Last year wasn't great stats-wise, but the team had no running game or O-line, and they still won the SB (and to say it was all D is ridiculous. The offense had to win that game on the last drive).

also... kcarr was spot on with all the commentary he added a couple pages back. I don't think I disagreed with a thing he said.

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Tom Brady is a ton like Montana... who I also thought was a dink-dunker haha. But he was also a great QB. And I think Peyton is like Marino, too. Peyton does have a strong arm, I think, and Brady probably does have a slight edge in short and long throws (I'd give the mid-range to Manning). What you said about Brady, how he gets you yard by yard, and how you don't even realize he's had a great game... that is exactly how I see it, and I couldn't have said it better. But that's the reason I think he's somewhat unremarkable for such an accomplished passer. Those easier short throws is how that offense is run. And those short throws are all the more open now that Moss is there.

As a Steelers fan, I don't like the subtle Plummer-Roethlisberger comparison.It doesn't really even make since. You say winners 'just win,' well Roethlisberger just wins. 2 SBs, 50 regular season wins in 5 seasons... the list goes on.

Plummer didn't really win until he got to the Broncos, and he still never made it to a super bowl. And I really don't think anybody thought he was the next Montana. He was decent: a gritty QB who was good in 4th quarters but was never an upper-tier QB. He never put up great numbers. He had yards, but threw a lot of INTs (In 7 of his 10 seasons he averaged over 1 INT per game, and had 5 20 INT seasons, and only 4 seasons with more TDs than picks). So yeah, he often was a reason for his teams being down.

That's not the case with Roethlisberger at all, though. He's been a very efficient passer (he still does have a decently high INT% compared to the likes of Manning and Brady), but has been incredible throughout his career in terms of YPA, and very good in TD% and completion %. Last year wasn't great stats-wise, but the team had no running game or O-line, and they still won the SB (and to say it was all D is ridiculous. The offense had to win that game on the last drive).

also... kcarr was spot on with all the commentary he added a couple pages back. I don't think I disagreed with a thing he said.

Ben has a knack for making the right play at the right time. I don't know what you call that, but that helps the team win. He also has the best defense in football, and that helps alot.