Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[SoxFan01605]

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I am of the opinion that the pre-1978 QBs should never be compared to today's system-babies. YOU could play QB in the NFL right now. There is very little actual talent involved. It's kind of sad. A whole field of world class athletes, and one grocery bagger who gets all the credit when the team wins.

That's entirely exaggerated...lol. I would agree you can't compare the two eras, but more in terms of the difference in the way the game was played than perceived talent level. That's all beside the point though...

I was just curious as to how you got to that from a comment that had nothing to do with comparing Brady and Manning to Unitas directly. Two separate topics is all. Your passion is noted though.

[Glorious Arc]

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I am of the opinion that the pre-1978 QBs should never be compared to today's system-babies.

Why? Because everyone in the pre-1978 era was on roids

[KensaiKatai]

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These ratings are all around horrible..99 ovrs should only occur with two conditions (guaranteed hall of fame induction AND great previous year)


i was expecting a lot more realism this year with the ratings (i've been saying for years that players are way too overrated and i thought they were on the right track with the greater disparity between player ratings this year), guess i was mistaken, but i'll wait to see how the game plays before i make my last judgement but as it stands i'm very skeptical and this could have an incredible effect on how realistic the gameplay truly is..


97 thp for brady lol..whatever, i urge EA to reconsider a lot of these ratings and to study some more film. i don't have time to sit here and break every player down that i have a problem with (yes there's that many!) unless they plan on hiring me or requesting it from me personally because i don't care what the people who buy this game think and who knows if my comment here will ever get read by the people who make the changes.. but these were about 90% wrong IMO. Thanks for the sneak peek though.

[jclentzthadon]

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Calling all ratings guys we need some serious help here...

1) Tomlinson was hurt all year, he is not a 90 in spd- more like a 92
2) Rivers has a weak arm, but it ain't an 81- more like an 85

3) Terrell Owens can still run, he ain't a 89 in spd- needs to be a 93

4) Brady has a gun but Rothlisberger needs to be higher

5) Portis needs to be faster- more like a 92-93

I just see some wild stuff out there...

[iBlievN5]

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I agree with your general arguement but I never understand rating players against the HOF. Those players don't play in todays NFL and Madden shouldn't consider them. Madden should be based of the players we see today. 99= best at position and bet in the NFL. It can be a couple of players at the same position.

Portis has shown no breakaway speed since gaining weight.

[Glorious Arc]

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Calling all ratings guys we need some serious help here...

1) Tomlinson was hurt all year, he is not a 90 in spd- more like a 92

Of all the issues you pick LTs speed? His carry is the biggest issue honestly. He has fumbled once in the past 2 seasons on 719 touches and only has an 87...Turner fumbled 3 times on less then 400 attempts and he has a 98.

EDIT:
It may not be fair to use other seasons but just to use this season alone LT fumbled ONCE on 344 touches. He basicly played 3 times better then Turner but ends up being 11 points less in carry...? I rest my case.

[SoxFan01605]

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These ratings are all around horrible..99 ovrs should only occur with two conditions (guaranteed hall of fame induction AND great previous year)


i was expecting a lot more realism this year with the ratings (i've been saying for years that players are way too overrated and i thought they were on the right track with the greater disparity between player ratings this year), guess i was mistaken, but i'll wait to see how the game plays before i make my last judgement but as it stands i'm very skeptical and this could have an incredible effect on how realistic the gameplay truly is..


97 thp for brady lol..whatever, i urge EA to reconsider a lot of these ratings and to study some more film. i don't have time to sit here and break every player down that i have a problem with (yes there's that many!) unless they plan on hiring me or requesting it from me personally because i don't care what the people who buy this game think and who knows if my comment here will ever get read by the people who make the changes.. but these were about 90% wrong IMO. Thanks for the sneak peek though.

Interesting...

While I share some of the opinion that these appear off, I could personally care less at this point for two reasons:

1. We have no idea how the ratings play off eachother. People have been getting bent out of shape over a 90 vs 95 for years and it was silliness. Take your 95, I'll take a 75 and THAT difference will be barely noticeable...let alone a difference in smaller measure.

People are too concerned with the numbers...it's about how they balance within the game that matters. That's not to say how they will balance one way or the other (they could very well be as bad as you seem to think they will be). That's the point...we don't know yet.

They already said the top tier players (basically, the ones on the list) would stay high...it's the balancing among the various skill levels and tiers, along with the ratings themselves that were supposedly tweaked. I don't see how you could garner all your concern from a list of ONLY the top 10 at each position is all.

2. We can change them if we disagree.

Not saying you're wrong...just saying "don't jump!"

[shotgun styles]

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That's entirely exaggerated...lol. I would agree you can't compare the two eras, but more in terms of the difference in the way the game was played than perceived talent level. That's all beside the point though...

I was just curious as to how you got to that from a comment that had nothing to do with comparing Brady and Manning to Unitas directly. Two separate topics is all. Your passion is noted though.

I freely admit to being a fanatic about the unfair passing rules in the NFL, and the vastly overrated offensive players that it has produced.

To answer your question, I got there because that's where I wanted to go

Why? Because everyone in the pre-1978 era was on roids

Alot of them were, no doubt. But the rules were at least fair, so defenses had a real chance to stop those guys. Unlike today where you have DBs running down the field with their hands tied behind their backs. It's just plain silly.

[steelers1]

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Sorrry, I gotta disagree with Big Ben, he threw 17 tds to 15 ints last year medicore to the core. He is also the perfect example of his defense winning. Yes he had a decent game in the Super Bowl but again the d bailed him out with a 99 yrd int right at the half so that he even had a chance for a final drive. Also look at the Seattle Super Bowl. Big Ben gets the honor of having the worst rating ever for a winning qb.

Even with Pitt being a run first team there is no excuse to throw as many picks as tds as be a top 5 qb. Then they go and totally leave Aaron Rodgers out even though he was top 5 in almost every passing category?

OK, now you'll see my bias. Ben did have a pretty average year statistically. But in reality he had a good year with a really bad 3 game stretch. During that stretch he was also playing injured (no excuses, but he's been known to stay in games even when he probably shouldn't be in aka 2006). Against the Giants, Skins, and Colts, the Steelers went 1-2 and Roethlisberger was 47-87 for 519 yards, 1 TD, and 8 INTs. Thats completing 54% of his passes and having a 37.5 passer rating. In his defense, 2 of his picks came on hail marys at the end of games (Colts/Giants), 1 was on a ball tipped at the line and one hit Nate Washington in the hands and Nate tipped it up to a Giants defender. So that's pretty much a horrible 3 games. BUT....

The other 13 games he was 234 of 382 (61.3%) for 2782 yards with 16 TDs and 7 INTs for an 89.8 rating, which is pretty good.

And for the super bowl, do you really think the Steelers would have played the way they did if the Cards had been leading in the second half? The second half of that game, the Steelers basically ran for no gain and punted every possession until the Cards took the lead. The D played an awful 4th quarter.

edit: And I will admit to Ben playing terrible in SB XL, but he was the reason the Steelers won their 3 playoff games that year. He was absolutely phenomenal. And had he thrown the TD in the SB instead of ran it in he would have had a better passer rating. He also converted a 3rd and 28 to set up the TD at the end of the first half to take the lead and shift the momentum.

[Dcooks]

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Man there is no way that troy polomalu has 93 speed, hes like a quick linebacker, that can cover well. especially since ed reed has 93 speed

[Glorious Arc]

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I lied I dont rest my case lol here is my post in the official ratings thread...I wonder why this one hasnt been locked?

If Turner has 98 carry with 127 touches per fumble then LT should have 120 carry with his 719 touches and one fumble over the last two seasons.

Turner should be lowered to 94-95 carry because he is still good but he is not the best. Williams should be higher as well with 97-98 behind LTs 99. Williams over the past 3 seasons has had 616 touches with only one fumble.

For those thinking I am being a homer about Turner and Williams...Turner has had a total of 5 fumbles in 5 seasons averaging 124 touches per fumble. It is great compared to other RBs but he is still not better then Williams or LT

[shotgun styles]

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Man there is no way that troy polomalu has 93 speed, hes like a quick linebacker, that can cover well. especially since ed reed has 93 speed

Oh I agree. Speed is not his game, anticipation and violence is.

His zone coverage and play recognition skills are and should be though the roof. His tackling should be higher than 63 though. His speed should be 88-90 range.

[kjcheezhead]

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OK, now you'll see my bias. Ben did have a pretty average year statistically. But in reality he had a good year with a really bad 3 game stretch. During that stretch he was also playing injured (no excuses, but he's been known to stay in games even when he probably shouldn't be in aka 2006).

Aaron Rodgers played as many games with a seperated shoulder-so injury speaking its a draw.

Now to the numbers:

Rodgers 28 tds 13 ints 4038 yrds 93.8 rating
BigBen 17 tds 15 ints 3301 yrds 80.1 rating

How come Ben got the ring and Rodgers didnt? Oh yeah, Green Bays defense was a sieve just like New Orleans who also has a great QB without a ring.

As for the Super Bowl who knows how the game wouldve went if Arizona scored that td instead of Pitt at the half, all I do know is that d made the biggest play of the game right there and without it, the Cards may well have been world champions.

[Yo-Yo]

Hahah. It's funny how you guys argue over everything. I think that most of the ratings are passable and all those "Oh his speed is too high-his TH Power is too high-he doesnt deserve it" are funny. You guys are like little kids. Im not being a jerk but you guys need to chill. The ratings can never satisfy a fan of a certain team and that's ok.

[shotgun styles]

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Hahah. It's funny how you guys argue over everything. I think that most of the ratings are passable and all those "Oh his speed is too high-his TH Power is too high-he doesnt deserve it" are funny. You guys are like little kids. Im not being a jerk but you guys need to chill. The ratings can never satisfy a fan of a certain team and that's ok.

Well we appreciate being called names by a guy with 4 posts.

This whole board is about feedback to the Dev team. So what we say here matters, and the debate is worth having even if it didn't.