Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

[Tampa Bay]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

I would still like to see evidence of route based passing and some actual 'touch' on a pass before I start wooing.

Out of curiosity, how did the player read that Crayton was open for a pass? Other than the slight separation on when he ran the route, he looked covered to me. And the pass looked like a bullet pass, not a fade pass, so how was it read/thrown/completed?

To me it looked like the Eagles were in some kind of cover 1 call. The corner played outside technique like he was supposed to, but he bit on the post-corner route by Crayton. It looked like the QB released the ball with correct timing, as Crayton made the break to the corner, and threw an accurate pass.

[Valdarez]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

Another 2K8 reference huh? I guess this is sort of subjective to your style of play. I say that b/c in APF (which I do own), or 2K5, I would've taken that chance on 1-on-1 coverage. I'd even say that in 2K5 there's a great chance that ball would be brought down especially with a WR with good hands.

It's what I know. Since Madden '09 was not fun to me personally, and APF2K8 is the game I have played the most, it's how I relate. Nothing wrong with that.

So you'd just throw the ball up in a 1 on 1 matchup and hope your guy could come down with the ball? I would never do that, regardless of the game.

The only way I would attempt that pass in APF2K8 would be with a Silver/Gold QB so I can get a lot of touch on the ball or with Max Passing and leading the WR so the ball is not within reach of the DB.

I still don't know how they read WR in the Madden footage so they know it's safe to pass the ball. Do you look at the separation between the DB/WR on the straight routes? If so, how much separation is necessary? Once you see the necessary separation, is there a way to lead the WR with the pass, or do you just throw it in there?

[RGiles36]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

So you'd just throw the ball up in a 1 on 1 matchup and hope your guy could come down with the ball? I would never do that, regardless of the game.

Yes, certainly. The corner was out of position to make a play and more importantly, it would appear the ball was put in a place where only the WR could get it.

I still don't know how they read WR in the Madden footage so they know it's safe to pass the ball. Do you look at the separation between the DB/WR on the straight routes? If so, how much separation is necessary? Once you see the necessary separation, s there a way to lead the WR with the pass, or do you just throw it in there?

Yes, lead passing has been in Madden for quite a few years (to my knowledge). Separation is separation man...it's not always how much space is there, but factor in who are you throwing to and who's defending. I don't think there's a rule-of-thumb to look for a specific amount of separation when passing the ball. That's why when I play 2K5, I put a lot of stock into drafting WR's with great hands (and solid route runners). So regardless of how open they may not be, they have a good chance to make the play.

[Valdarez]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

Yes, certainly. The corner was out of position to make a play and more importantly, it would appear the ball was put in a place where only the WR could get it.

Looks to me like the DB could have simply jumped up and made a play on the ball unless the WR was led, which doesn't look like he was based on the pass.

Yes, lead passing has been in Madden for quite a few years (to my knowledge). Separation is separation man...it's not always how much space is there, but factor in who are you throwing to and who's defending. I don't think there's a rule-of-thumb to look for a specific amount of separation when passing the ball. That's why when I play 2K5, I put a lot of stock into drafting WR's with great hands (and solid route runners). So regardless of how open they may not be, they have a good chance to make the play.

Didn't realize that, never used it, how does lead passing work in Madden?

I still wouldn't throw in one on one unless accidentally (bad read/pass on my part). I read the defenses and find the open man, which is why I was wondering how they read he was open. The WR must have been open, he caught the ball and the DB didn't even try to make a play on the ball. Looks like the only way the pass could have been made is if he were lead / or a fade (lob) where the WR had to reach for it thus putting it out of the reach of the DB, and yet the pass looks like a straight line pass.

Going back to the original question, how do you read that the WR is open? Is the simple fact that he's above the DB instead of below him an indicator that he's open in Madden?

[Tampa Bay]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

You look at the receiver. In the video the receiver is running a post-corner against man coverage with no safety help outside (the safeties playing the deep middle). The DB in man coverage can't defend the corner part of the route from a trailing position unless you lob up an air ball that gives him time to catch up.

[granddogg]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

So i guess all the ppl complaining about this td catch want the CB who is not looking to jump up and either get a int or swat..?? Wait i thought yall said that was cheap

[parrothead]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

I know on the PC for lead passing you just pushed the left stick, as the quarterback was throwing, the direction you wanted to pass. Like for a high ball press up, down for a low ball, you could throw to outside shoulders, and away from the defender. I've never played any Next Gen games, but that's how it was on PC and probably PS2.

[Valdarez]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

So i guess all the ppl complaining about this td catch want the CB who is not looking to jump up and either get a int or swat..?? Wait i thought yall said that was cheap

No, what I'm trying to understand is how to read the route so you know the WR is open for the pass. In other games, such as APF2K8, you wouldn't try to throw that pass unless you led the receiver with a lob/fade.

[Valdarez]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

You look at the receiver. In the video the receiver is running a post-corner against man coverage with no safety help outside (the safeties playing the deep middle). The DB in man coverage can't defend the corner part of the route from a trailing position unless you lob up an air ball that gives him time to catch up.

That doesn't really explain how to read he's open. There's no Safety help on most routes. Plus, lobs/fades lead the receiver in football, they don't allow the DB to catch up unless they are poorly thrown.

Either that's a lucky throw/pass, or there's a definitive way to read he's open. i.e. a two step lead on the DB perhaps?

[parrothead]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

I haven't seen the video in a couple of days, but if I remember right, he doesn't have any outside help, or help over the top, so a throw over the outside shoulder seems fitting. My recollection could be wrong and probably is, if not that's my theory.

[Tampa Bay]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

That doesn't really explain how to read he's open. There's no Safety help on most routes. Plus, lobs/fades lead the receiver in football, they don't allow the DB to catch up unless they are poorly thrown.

Either that's a lucky throw/pass, or there's a definitive way to read he's open. i.e. a two step lead on the DB perhaps?

I always read the area of the field based on the coverage I see. If the defense is in a cover 1 or cover 3 the db has no help to the outside. The WR gets a step on the DB to the outside. You can see that the DB got turned around in the video as Crayton made his break.

Another example, you read cover 2 and you're in a play where the receiver is running a post. You want to throw the post if your receivers gets a step inside of the safety and there's no other defender dropping into the deep middle to help.

And I meant lob up a wounded duck

[Tampa Bay]

Re: Cowboys vs. Eagles Video from IGN

I haven't seen the video in a couple of days, but if I remember right, he doesn't have any outside help, or help over the top, so a throw over the outside shoulder seems fitting. My recollection could be wrong and probably is, if not that's my theory.

That's what happened. He got a step to the outside on the DB by turning him around with a double move (post-corner).

[carolina_boi]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

So i guess all the ppl complaining about this td catch want the CB who is not looking to jump up and either get a int or swat..?? Wait i thought yall said that was cheap

i know right??? that was a beautiful TD passand catch the corner got beat ! there was nothing he could do, he reached out and tackled the reciever after the reciever caught it and that was all he could do... it would be un rrealistic for him to just jump str8 up and swat it or turn 360 degreez and intercept it...

[carolina_boi]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

No, what I'm trying to understand is how to read the route so you know the WR is open for the pass. In other games, such as APF2K8, you wouldn't try to throw that pass unless you led the receiver with a lob/fade.

well u cant be madd at the video, that sounds like a personal problem to me. You should know what players and what routes they run and who does it the best on your team. Crayton had the guy beat and romo threw the beautiful bullet so that only his WR could catch it, if he lobbed it then the CB would have had to to catch up, adjust his self and go for the swat or INT...

[hofields]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

I am impressed by by what I saw in that video! It does not look how madden has looked in the past wiht only one year between games. This game looks very diffrent than 09 in a great way!