3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

[Yashi]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

I'm using the Chiefs as well and I'm getting sacks. I'm using Marino's Sliders right now. After 3 games Tyson Jackson (CPU controlled) has 4 sacks. Tank Tyle (CPU) has 1 , Demario Williams (user Controlled) Has 1 , and Ron Edwards (CPU) has 1.

Marino's slider set is pretty good. With the combination of the slow game speed and the slider settings the game feels real good. Very realistic feeling. My first game against the Ravens was a blowout. Flacco thew 4 INT's and I got out to a big lead and they could never come back. The next two games against the Raiders and Eagles were both nail biters. Chiefs are 3-0.

So you have 6 sacks with defensive linemen and 1 sack with an OLB in the 3-4. That's definitely not realistic at all.

[imskykid]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

We have a thread discussing this exact thing as well as other fixes to the 3-4.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...4-defense.html

Check it out and voice your opinions.

[bigal093]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

and apparently there's also another thread. so 3!!! that i've heard of at least. so what needs to be done, is everybody, can read whichever they want, but all 3 discuss almost the exact same things. I read his ideas for Position changes, I Like them, but i think it needs to even more spread out. have this

DE/OLB---OLB/MLB---DT/DE---NT---and true MLB(just called MLB 4-3 or 3-4 is a MLB) the positions above have the 4-3 pos first, and 3-4 second(i.e DE/OLB is our current madden's DE)

(a DT would be able move here only losing maybe 2-4 awr., and the same with a NT to DT, but they would have different ratings that determine ovr)

then the depth charts like this

4-3

FS----------------------------------------SS



OLB/MLB------True MLB------OLB/MLB
CB------------DE/OLB---DT/DE---DT/DE---DE/OLB------------CB

3-4

FS----------------------------------------SS


DE/OLB---MLB(MLB/OLB)---MLB(MLB/OLB)---DE/OLB

CB-------------------DT/DE---NT---DT/DE-------------------CB


Now this is basically what he said, but it is a little easier i think for newcomers, and also is more specific with more positions. now when you are viewing a 4-3 team, you see the 4-3 specific positions(i.e. DE/OLB--DT--OLB/MLB--MLB) and a 3-4 you see theirs.

I think in free agency and the draft, the players should be listed as OLB and DE not LE/RE and LOLB/ROLB. it would be a lot easier in free agency to look through them.

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[bigal093]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

i want to keep at least one of these threads on the first page, b/c this problem needs realized.
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[PodSquad]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

So sad that this game turns the absolute man-beast Demarcus Ware into just an average joe because Ian and co. dont understand football.

[fourthreemafia]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

So sad that this game turns the absolute man-beast Demarcus Ware into just an average joe because Ian and co. dont understand football.

Dude, I do agree that they dont really know much about football, but I think this issue has more to do with a programming error. Ware is still a beast in the game, its just sim stats and ridiculous in game faults ("Robo Blocking" as I like to call it, and wounded ducks) dont really show off what a monster pass rusher he is.

Ware is still awesome in the game though against the run and in coverage.

[bigal093]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

ya its definately something that needs fixed, b/c HUGE IMPACT PLAYERS like harrison and ware are just kinda wiped off the map for CPU teams.
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[imskykid]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Good news for those of us who'd really like to see this changed!

Ian acknowledged receipt of the link I sent him of the discussion on the EA Forums via Twitter:

"ian_cummings@I_HATE_TWITT3R thx for the link."

He either responded because A.) He's thinks it's a valid topic and is interested in our ideas about how to fix it or B.) He's sick of me badgering him! haha

[marktg30]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

I have been getting 3-10 sacks in the first 7 games of my Browns Franchise in 3-4 Defense.

[Sandman42]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Merged the 3-4 threads.

[DorneyDave]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

I gave up on the 3-4 for now, unless there is a patch for it. I put the Cowboys as a 4-3 now..

My oh my...Ware definitely shows off his "monster pass rush" in the 4-3. I have no idea what the difference is programming wise, but my D.Ware is now averaging 2-3 sacks per game as a DE compared to ZIP in the 3-4.

I can live with this for now, but I'd like to go back to 3-4 sometime.

[gdhaliwal]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

I brought this problem up before but my thread was locked up b/c i wrote Ian please fix this but this is what i think is wrong.

When you go to your scheme in franchise mode and scroll to the OLB position the only two tendencies for the OLB are to be coverage or run stop, and the DE are the ones that have the pass rush tendency. To me that is problem, whether you have a 3-4 or 4-3 selected it the OLB and DE tendencies don't change.

Basically when you are running a 3-4 in madden franchise and sim some games, you can't have a pass rushing OLB because of that slider under your schemes, go check it out

I think this needs to be addressed in the next patch as well as depth chart for 3-4 and 4-3. Just my opinion i could be wrong

[monkeybutlerz]

Re: EA needs to fix the 3-4 Defense!!!

Another thing on the tweeners for other position...

While that would eventually be great, if you are looking for those guys for your own teams, you can already do that and switch their position manually. Like I said is my last post, these changes mainly impact the CPU drafting/free agent logic for the teams.

Also remember, BABY STEPS! We don't want to demand so much change. While the basis for this sounds reasonable, we dont know how much work this will actually take from a development standpoint. There would be glitches and kinks to work out just by creating one new position, albeit three.

I believe a REALISTIC thing to ask for is

1.) Separate Depth Charts.
2.) a Hybrid DE/OLB position for players in the league who already fit this mold and generated rookies.
3.) a NT position with different rating qualification than a DT.

While having a seperate position for the 5-Technique would be great, I feel it can be accomplished by just making those slots on the 3-4 depth chart DT's.

-----------DT--NT--DT----------

If they wanted to take this a step further, make the 4-3 depth chart look like this:

------DE--NT--DT--DE-------

That way, the NT and DT positions can be consistent and can go to both 3-4 and 4-3 teams in offseason/free agency. The DT position would be your quicker, more athletic linemen (ie. Chris Canty, Glenn Dorsey, Ngata, Tommie Harris) and the NT's would be your space eaters, your big boys (ie. Casey Hampton, Kris Jenkins, BJ Raji, Vince Wilfork.)

If you make sure that every position has a place in each depth chart you would ensure that players are being properly utilized in the scheme. Also, make these players more apt to play for a team who runs the scheme they are used to, that way it's harder for a 4-3 team to get a Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton in free agency, though still making it possible if you break the bank for them.

I understand what you're saying about baby steps, but I was just presenting multiple tweener types as the next layer of depth for the future, not necessarily in terms of a 1 year time frame. The most pressing and urgent tweener type to be implemented is the DE/OLB for sure.

Also, there are some players who are athletic enough to play the NT and DT. The ones that immediately jump out to me would be the Haynesworth, Ngata and Shaun Rogers types who have great quickness and the ability to eat up space like crazy. They definitely need to figure out a way to properly separate the large D-linemen so they play like they do on Sundays though.

The Ravens and Steelers, who are probably the most consistently dominant defenses (among other good ones) over the last few years run a 3-4 and it needs to be implemented properly for them to have their true identities in the game.

[PodSquad]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

Dude, I do agree that they dont really know much about football, but I think this issue has more to do with a programming error. Ware is still a beast in the game, its just sim stats and ridiculous in game faults ("Robo Blocking" as I like to call it, and wounded ducks) dont really show off what a monster pass rusher he is.

Ware is still awesome in the game though against the run and in coverage.

He is just another OLB in the game, he is no where near as good as he should be, he is one of the top defensive players in the league, when I use the Cowboys, i get no impression of that.

[bigal093]

Re: 3-4....NOBODY gets sacks, NEEDS FIXED!!!!

ian, if you do read this, could you tell me/us if its possible to get the tendency/stats issue fixed in a patch? what i mean is, is it possible to fix the unrealistic SIM numbers for a 3-4 team. there are not enough sacks by the LBs. the DEs seem to have a decent # of sacks, but the OLBs have only 1 or 2 more than them. also i'd suggest you take a look at this link
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-everyone.html
about issues with other sim stats. The ones that really worry/bother me are the CBs tackles(they only get like 10-15) and the fact that assisted tackles aren't added to the players tackle totals. Im not sure if this happens to all player or not, but its all in this thread. really think you should take a look at all of these sim stat problems(TDs too) b/c they seem simple enough to correct in a patch, but i could be wrong.

thank you so much
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