Linebackers not making tackles? Here is one reason why...

[radog99]

The problem is the lack of a progressive fatigue system. (If you play the games. Simming the stats doesn't work correctly; it's broken)

Run-oriented offenses in the NFL don't mind pounding the rock up the gut when they only net 2-4 yards a carry at first. They know that eventually the defense will wear down, and those same modest gains will become big chunks of yardage (5-10 yards a pop) by the time the fourth quarter rolls around. Punting a few times early is no big deal in this scenario. Teams know that their dedication running the rock over and over again will eventually pay dividends in the fourth quarter.

When you get teams and players finally run the ball like NFL offenses do, your linebackers will get their tackles.

[radog99]

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So what does this have to do with fatigue? If there was a progressive fatigue system in place, pounding the rock over and over would become an actual Madden strategy - wearing down the defense over the course of the game. Right now it's just easier to run outside or pass the ball. If people ran the ball off-tackle 25-30 times a game, your linebackers would make more tackles. However, unless you are playing really long quarters, it might not match the tackle numbers of an actual NFL linebacker.

Players don't get progressively tired in this game; they get a little winded, sub out for a few plays, then sub back in. Once the defense leaves the field and returns, for the most part everyone is 100% again.

[skudplayr]

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Very wise. You get an A from me for effort.

[canes21]

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15 minute quarters and I see 20-35 carries a game by the CPU.

[Azamien]

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The problem I've been seeing is that the D-line makes too many tackles in the running game during games being played out. If the runner isn't getting to the second level then it's impossible for the linebackers to get tackles unless they're blitzing.

[goldrush]

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15 minute quarters and I see 20-35 carries a game by the CPU.

Same for me.

[skudplayr]

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Yeah but the point isn't about how many carries you see, it's about progressive fatigue.

[parrothead]

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If you turn the auto sub way down, and fatigue up those guys will get tired. Now I don't know what effect that will have on gameplay, but if they get tired faster and never come out, they'll be fatigued anyway.

[Beardown]

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The problem I've been seeing is that the D-line makes too many tackles in the running game during games being played out. If the runner isn't getting to the second level then it's impossible for the linebackers to get tackles unless they're blitzing.

Yep I use to have this problem but then I put my block shedding to 0 and now I get 10-15 total tackles with Urlacher each game.

[Mofficial]

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Yep I use to have this problem but then I put my block shedding to 0 and now I get 10-15 total tackles with Urlacher each game.

0? Really? I thought this means that players cannot shed blocks to get to the ball carrier. I have it at 0 too and the most I can get with any one player is like 8 or so... and that's rare. Most games I'll get 5 or so. And that's with playing on 15 minute quarters with 25 second runoff.

[SGMRock]

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whats having the block shedding at Zero do. Does that make it so that the RB's make it to the LB for tackles all the time instead of the linemen?

Also if you set the fatigue right you will get progressive fatigue. I've had players on my front 4 be so tired that they would no longer come in the game at the end of the 4th when I have been playing a running team like the Bears and they get to tired for the autosub level to let them back in.

[Mofficial]

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whats having the block shedding at Zero do. Does that make it so that the RB's make it to the LB for tackles all the time instead of the linemen?

Also if you set the fatigue right you will get progressive fatigue. I've had players on my front 4 be so tired that they would no longer come in the game at the end of the 4th when I have been playing a running team like the Bears and they get to tired for the autosub level to let them back in.

Yeah but that's not what it should do. It should always allow players to keep playing, but by the middle of the 4th quarter, the defense should be very tired and they should play like it; not just subbing them out for backups.

[huskerwr38]

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Here could be another reason. I believe it all goes back to ai blocking logic. I noticed that human teams get more tackles with the DL because the CPU seems to go to the LB more often. If I bring my LB in close to the line right up next to a DL, the CPU lineman seems to block the LB and let's the DL through. I've notice the reverse is true for the CPU on defense. The CPU LB seem to get a lot more tackles because my lineman go for the DL and not the LB as often. The CPU LB will end up with 10+ tackles while my DL will end up with a lot more tackles than my LB.

Does that make sense? This is just from my observation.

[carnalnirvana]

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its the blocking and tackling

first the blocking has to extend to players other than the OL, Te and WR has to block better,

1. the Cb on the outside is unblocked 70% of the time because most Wr has a 25-40 in run blocking so they wiff the block or run in circles most times and that Cb comes and tackle the ball carrier that one less for you LB

2. the DL gets free because the OL tries to pick up blitzers that the Te should handle,

3. plays dont last long enough for Lb to get off a block and make a play, the tackling is too sure for weaker players .

[SGMRock]

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In real football normally the lineman plug up most of the gaps so the RB is force through one to find a LB waiting for him. LBs get the most tackles on run plays because normally this is where runs are tackles in the second level, the defensive lines job is to keep the offensive line from getting blocks on the LB's so they can make the plays. But ya this doesn't happen in this game for sure, its crazy how bad the blocking is. I mean they could write their AI to even do head on head blocking and have it smarter than it is.