joe montana passing mechanic or madden passing mechanic

[ODogg]

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i'd love the option but i think you're incorrect in saying a cave man could use that method, they had that in ncaa 98 or something like that and it was actually quite difficult to use, albeit fun to try.

[Kodos]

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What about a closer over-the-shoulder view of the QB where you have to use the right stick to turn the view from right to left because you can't see the whole field? No vision cone, but it actually changes what part of the field you can see (you can't see the whole field in this view). It'd be much more like going through your progressions and spotting open receivers. Also, having shorter QBs would actually be a disadvantage in this setup. You could also simulate QB awareness by having a wider or slimmer view of the field depending on the QB's awareness rating.

[SA1NT401]

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Madden DESPERATELY needs a new passing system....IMHO.

The passing system is old...boring...offers little as far as challenge...Totally un-realistic...just doesnt function as it SHOULD.

But i dont think they are gonna change a thing personally. More people like the current system mainly due to it being easy and most dont know any other system as they werent around back in the early-late 90s.

The majority likes it as does EA...Majority rules.

[ODogg]

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I think we will see a change only when sales demand it. And don't think sales will never demand a change. Look at EA's hockey series. It was king, then it went down the crapper and they had to reinvent it.

With that being said I am fine with the passing system. I don't think it's too easy. Not all of us are as skilled as some of you guys are with these games. However, I would enjoy it if they had a new passing mode in the game as an alternative. But I really don't want it radically changed and them forcing it on us either.

[canes21]

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Whats sad is Madden's current commentary isn't much better than what was shown in the first post.

[bigsmallwood]

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Whats sad is Madden's current commentary isn't much better than what was shown in the first post.

I was actually thinking the same thing...

[Only1LT]

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My issue with the RnL passing system is it seems way too user friendly.

You shouldn't be able to lead receivers that easily. You can lead them even if they aren't looking at you. While it's a fun game mechanic for a game, that's not exactly realistic...

It is infinitely more realistic then just hitting a button to pass to any receiver, anywhere on the field, at any time.

I've never played Fever (never owned either XBOX), and I don't think they did it quite right, but it's still better than what we have now.

If they just did away with receiver icons all together, and let you control where the ball will go by moving a cursor all over the field with the right stick, and then then just had a lob and a bullet button on the shoulder buttons a la FPS, it would be close to perfect.

To make it so it is not entirely based on user skills, just factor in accuracy into the cursor. Very accurate, ball goes almost exactly where the cursor is. Not so accurate, ball is off center by varying degrees. Do the same for a composure rating that would make the ball off center of the cursor to varying degrees depending on situation, ie flushed from the pocket, about to be hit, etc.

Voila. Easy peasy lol.

[Only1LT]

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Yes, I'm a Vision Cone lover and I am proud.

Although many didn't realize the "hold LT and double tap receiver icon to pass" implementation. It disallowed QB's from looking right then throwing a strike clear across the field without actually "looking" that way.

Loved it.

It was the "use the right stick to control the cone" implementation that was absolutely dreadful.

Lol. Not a FPS player I take it?

[Only1LT]

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the awareness of the wr , te, or hb should be taken into account if they are not looking at the qb then there icon doesn't show until they do

I hear some people saying this, and for the life of me, I don't know why.

A good QB throws to receivers that are NOT looking at them or before they have even made their real move. Why would you want to not be able to throw to a receiver that isn't looking for the ball? By then, in many cases, it's too late.

[Only1LT]

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That mechanic was nice, but the problem was the terrible defensive back play in 2k. I love 2k, but maximum passing abused the limited coverage AI.

It's kind of like sprint in madden. It isn't bad, but the computer can't [won't?] sprint [for some unknown reason.] Maximum passing is nice, but because the defenders stopped playing the ball correctly, experianced maximum passers could eat up Ty Law with average QBs.

I hate how good some 2k players think they are because the defensive AI is terrible.

P.S. linebackers in Madden don't have a "40 inch verticle." Stop throwing bullets all the darn time.

I need to make one of these for Madden 10, but take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0HQV-k_CpQ

Look at the linebackers picking passes off, but only on bullet passes. He isn't leaping 40 inches. You are throwing the ball right at him.

You are half right. LBs do not have 40" verticals in Madden, yes, but the problem is not that people throw bullets all the time. The problem is that Madden thinks that it is not possible to throw a pass with any pace unless it only travels 5ft off the ground.

If it were possible to put arc on a pass and still have it travel at a high velocity, like in real life, in Madden, then there would be no issue. The problem comes from the fact that to get a pass over someone's head in the game, it usually travels so slow that they can still break up the play anyway.

Yes I know that you can hold down the button to varying degrees and get more variety on pass arc, but it still doesn't come close to real life. There are many passes that I would never attempt in Madden, because I know from experience not to, that in real life, an NFL QB would.

To be good at Madden you have to forget a lot of what you know about Football. THAT is the problem.

[Only1LT]

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I agree... It's funny that people want the passing to be harder. You suggest taking away options to make it harder and they freak out. Even if it makes the game more realistic. I love the idea of the cone because in real life you can't see everything at the same time. Not even Payton Manning can (he has no idea if he's looking at the right sideline, that his WR on his left tripped off the line), and to that extent, I can see where the cone was flawed, but I agree that it can and should be done. Perhaps even a tighter and more behind view could do the same thing as what we're talking about, where you can't throw to a WR off screen. The D still gets to see the whole field, but the offence is somewhat handicaped in that they can't see everything... I think this is somewhat where Backbreaker is going and if it's like that, I like the idea of it. Not 1st person, but a tigher 3rd person view... Think more Resident Evil 5, less Call of Duty... Imagine if we had shooters that allowed us to see around walls... That's kind of what he have here with the high look of Madden.

Actually... we do lol.