Madden NFL 12 Video - First Look Reveals Custom Playbooks, What Else Can You Find?

[at23steelers]

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I'm in the gameplay camp. No amount of presentation, player tendencies etc. will make any difference if they don't address gameplay. I'm mean why would you want any RB to run out of bounce with the current state of gameplay? You'll most likely get a forward falling animation if you run into defenders. The reason why player tendencies works so well in, say, FIFA 11 is because they've implemented it on top of really solid gameplay.

And last year they didn't focus solely on gameplay. The biggest marketing gimmick last year was GameFlow/GamePlanning. And while they might have addressed Run Blocking AI, it was back to status quo as soon as the blocking reached the second level. And sideline catches wasn't a new gameplay feature, it was just the first year it seemed to work. Etc. Etc.

From the teaser (the two field goal attempts) the OL/DL interaction looks exactly the same as previous years. People morph into 1-on-1 animations (in the second video - on the left side - you can clearly see a player being morphed several feet into a defender) and a single player is left untouched, so he can attempt to block the field goal. Additionally, if you look at the surprise onside kick, it looks like the diving animation is motion shifting the defender out of the way, showing absolutely no respect for momentum.

The only thing I'm left "reassured" of after watching the teaser is that Tiburon probably won't be addressing major gameplay concerns - otherwise they would have shown some tackles and/or proper OL/DL interactions in the teaser.

Wow, I agree with this 100%. Great post dude! Broski did say they can't show much new game play currently, so I hope that was just features on the old M11 game. So now, those things won't happen when they show the M12 game play. Can't wait until the game play blog, and I really hope there is MANY crucial additions on it, especially the ones you named above.

[Yrogergj24]

I saw Custom Playbooks and Tendencies

[PantherBeast_OS]

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I love that last year, all they focused on was gameplay and people were like
"OMGZORS WE WANT FEATURES AND WHAT ABOUT FRANCHISE MODE!!!????"

Now, they say they are doing more features, enhancements to modes, and redesigning franchise mode and now of course its all
"THey need to focus ONLY ON GAMEPLAY. WHat is wrong with them?!"

I cant wait for Madden.
Im not even a franchise guy, but I just like what I saw with the foot planting and supposed 3d grass.

Well I guess no matter who you are. No one is going to be ever happy with madden totally. No matter what they do to the game. People want them to focus on different things every year. But for me if the gameplay is solid this year and franchise mode is improved alot more then it has in past years and presentation is much better this year. Then I'm going to be happy. Everyone has their opinion on what they want year after year and everyone changes their mind year in and year out. That's just human nature I guess. Overall like Ian Cummings has said in the past. They can't make everyone happy and that is totally true. I guess you take what info they give us and go with it and buy the game if you feel it is worth buying or don't buy it at all. I feel this going to be a real good year for madden. Franchise mode will be much better and presentation will be much improved from last year. Overall I'm looking forward to the info coming up in the next few months.

[roadman]

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If i had a nickle for every time someone said that, i would be rich! Come on now seriously? It's Madden we are talking about.. Its the same gameplay every year regardless of what they show...

You can say that about the previous yrs, but you can't guarantee 12 will be the same.

None of us can guarantee what 12 has in store for us, we can speculate all we want to.

As Adembroski said, they can't show game play now in it's current state or they would have nothing to show.

By the way, to answer your question about game play, I didn't see game play in a 35 second teaser video and wasn't expecting any.

[adembroski]

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I don't either, but inferring from what AJ said, it appears that the kicking thing is all we have gotten right so far.

No, that's not what I meant.

On all but two of them, an appreciable number of people have been right in their guesses. Among the remaining two, I haven't seen the correct answer at all on one of them, and only one person has gotten the other right, though that's two now. For the record, neither are in this thread.

[econoodle]

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in the Ray Rice picture, if you click it and enlarge it, way over to the right you see what looks like 4 icons maybe?

http://upload.operationsports.com/images/12maddenteaserOS.png

Hard to tell what they are.

If they are player roles. Hip hop hooray!
If they are weapons BOOOOOOOOO!


there was a thread on here recently called Bring Back Player Roles, it got tons of responses, so I think Ea put it back in, they;d be crazy if they didn't as everybody to a man wants them back in.

[ZachMayo]

Motion shifting all over the place on the field goal screens at the top middle.

[spacehopper]

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in the Ray Rice picture, if you click it and enlarge it, way over to the right you see what looks like 4 icons maybe?

http://upload.operationsports.com/images/12maddenteaserOS.png

Hard to tell what they are.

If they are player roles. Hip hop hooray!
If they are weapons BOOOOOOOOO!


there was a thread on here recently called Bring Back Player Roles, it got tons of responses, so I think Ea put it back in, they;d be crazy if they didn't as everybody to a man wants them back in.

I think it says NFL players! If Dynmic player performance is basically form its the most over fluffed feature in history.

I hope player tendancies, mean that suh cant get pancaked by a punter and the computer decides it going to have an amazing comeback!

[econoodle]

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I think it says NFL players! If Dynmic player performance is basically form its the most over fluffed feature in history.

I hope player tendancies, mean that suh cant get pancaked by a punter and the computer decides it going to have an amazing comeback!

i don't know.
I think the icon on the left is the NFL logo, but why would they put 'NFL player' there? we know he's an NFL player, unless they plan on having scabs in there this year. in that case you could be right. lol

come on devs, throw us a bone, at least tell us if the stuff on the right is something worth speculating on!

[falconfansince81]

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HAHA that is hilarious. I agree Im not really into what Ea sports thinks is a football broadcast. Those replays in M11 were awesome but Ncaa looked awful.

i would like to see those post-play cut scenes drastically improved to mimic a real broadcast camera angle. i also don't understand the obsession with extreme facial close ups of players chewing air or twitching around. it takes a lot of realism away when you see that stuff.

with that in mind, perhaps the trailer suggests EA is working on making those cut scenes and spectator (OF mode??) camera angles as close as possible to an NFL broadcast.

i'm assuming since NCAA did new grass, madden will follow suit. can't make a fair judgment on gameplay yet, but would have liked to see a hint that collision detection, tackling, momentum, etc. are being taken into consideration. the foot plant may suggest a taste of things to come, but again...it's all about quality implementation.

[PSRusse83]

i would like to see those post-play cut scenes drastically improved to mimic a real broadcast camera angle. i also don't understand the obsession with extreme facial close ups of players chewing air or twitching around. it takes a lot of realism away when you see that stuff.

with that in mind, perhaps the trailer suggests EA is working on making those cut scenes and spectator (OF mode??) camera angles as close as possible to an NFL broadcast.

i'm assuming since NCAA did new grass, madden will follow suit. can't make a fair judgment on gameplay yet, but would have liked to see a hint that collision detection, tackling, momentum, etc. are being taken into consideration. the foot plant may suggest a taste of things to come, but again...it's all about quality implementation.

I agree. I hope they dont overlook this and Im sure they havent. But with EA you never really know until you play the game for yourself. I mean im still getting celebration animations from my own team when my QB gets sacked. And the grass for NCAA i dont know about that it looks very long and not like an NFL field. What bothers me is that FIFA has the perfect looking turf but for some reason Maddens is just not on the same level. These are just things I notice. It doesnt stop me from playing the games.

[Tommyklaid]

Doesn't do a darn thing for me...

...Madden hasn't been the same since the SNES days...sorry to say, but next-gen hasn't been "next-gen" football at all. Boo.

[BezO]

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Impossible to see anything I'm looking for in this teaser. Actually, this vid shows that some of what I'm looking for hasn't been addressed.

*Goes back to corner and waits for more info*

[TreFacTor]

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Smell the cheese, you will be able to buy and sell your playbooks... Don't know whether thats good or bad depending on how deep the play book customization is i.e. if it includes things like :

-user friendly adjustments: someone is able to create play that automates from start to finish including pre snap adjustment (good for offense to combat nano, but would create a one click nano maker for defense) I'm gonna assume that that amount of customization won't happen because of time, simpler quicker deeper...

I see something that looks like online spectating with the exception it's live score card type with chat ability, not like the MMA live spectate that they showed at E3 last year (wonder what happened to sharing in house resourses) 00:18

The Surprise onside kick looked to be on display.

not on my wish lists for madden next gen to present but I'm sure people are drooling.

[Hooe]

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Smell the cheese, you will be able to buy and sell your playbooks

Uhm, maybe I missed something, but where has this been implied at all?