Bears vs Packers

[jpdavis82]

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Have you ever heard Gus do MMA events as he is TERRIBLE! Probably why I cannot stand to listen to him.

LOL MMA, you need to watch him do an NFL or NCAA Basketball game, I'll try to find you some clips to show you what I'm talking about.

[Jarodd21]

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I don't see improved coverage. The slants and drag routes that were way too money in M11 are still there. Throwing to the middle should be harder because defenses are keyed in on that, protecting that area of the field the most, seeing as the QBs eyes naturally look downfield (the middle) and where safeties and LBs are all generally facing the QB and reading his eyes.

I'm convinced the AI will still be terrible on All-Pro.. I believe that game was played on All-Pro.. On All-Madden it won't be easy to exploit the AI..

[jpdavis82]

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Here we go, Gus on Madden could be amazing if implemented correctly.

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[at23steelers]

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Good finds. I am a big fan of Gus Johnson, but honestly even though his high-energy plays are what people remember, I think his regular broadcasting is what makes him so good.

[spankdatazz22]

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Gus is one of the best in the business, thank God they invested in a new commentary engine this year and we should begin seeing the benefits of that starting next year and the following years. The problem is the tech engine they have had for commentary not Gus.

I don't care what tech they apply - if it isn't done correctly it'll fail. I see people make this "new technology will fix Madden's [insert issue here]" argument every year (Pro-tak, Locomotion, etc.). It's about talent, vision, how these guys are directed, and how the feature is implemented. The year Collinsworth was introduced, he was a breath of fresh air and people viewed him mostly as a positive - especially next to Tom Hammonds. But the issue wasn't Hammonds, who's mostly good in real life. Then the very next year Collinsworth was mostly viewed as a detriment to the commentary. Imo it's how they were directed and how that direction was applied to the game.

I remember when EA got the ESPN exclusivity license and almost everyone assumed it meant EA games would have great presentation. They never came close to implementing it in the way 2K did last generation and it's mostly been a disappointment. While presentation in the 2K games continued to improve/push the envelope w/o the ESPN license. Don't think the issues with presentation/commentary in the game all can be blamed on technology, nor will it all be solved by technology. Looking at this year's game, they've actually implemented cutscenes far better than I would've thought they could've ever done. I think realtime is where most sports games are going, but for Madden it's a significant improvement. It's not because they implemented new techology; they had people working on it that had the necessary talent to implement their vision

[jpdavis82]

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I don't care what tech they apply - if it isn't done correctly it'll fail. I see people make this "new technology will fix Madden's [insert issue here]" argument every year (Pro-tak, Locomotion, etc.). It's about talent, vision, how these guys are directed, and how the feature is implemented. The year Collinsworth was introduced, he was a breath of fresh air and people viewed him mostly as a positive - especially next to Tom Hammonds. But the issue wasn't Hammonds, who's mostly good in real life. Then the very next year Collinsworth was mostly viewed as a detriment to the commentary. Imo it's how they were directed and how that direction was applied to the game.

I remember when EA got the ESPN exclusivity license and almost everyone assumed it meant EA games would have great presentation. They never came close to implementing it in the way 2K did last generation and it's mostly been a disappointment. While presentation in the 2K games continued to improve/push the envelope w/o the ESPN license. Don't think the issues with presentation/commentary in the game all can be blamed on technology, nor will it all be solved by technology. Looking at this year's game, they've actually implemented cutscenes far better than I would've thought they could've ever done. I think realtime is where most sports games are going, but for Madden it's a significant improvement. It's not because they implemented new techology; they had people working on it that had the necessary talent to implement their vision

So with that being said, they still will have those same people with the vision for cutscenes and team entrances, for commentary next year with the new commentary engine right?

[jpdavis82]

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Here's 9 minutes of Gus in a real NFL game, this is where I hope Madden could get close to.


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[Rules]

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I have to agree that if they can make Gus sound like the above videos which is more natural then I would be very happy with Madden's commentary. Nice job jpdavis82!!! You won me over!!!

[jpdavis82]

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I have to agree that if they can make Gus sound like the above videos which is more natural then I would be very happy with Madden's commentary. Nice job jpdavis82!!! You won me over!!!

Thanks, I've just always liked Gus' commentating in real nfl games and felt like the problem was Madden's implementation of Gus not Gus himself. Plus I think most people have only ever heard him yelling and screaming not actually doing real play by play.

[at23steelers]

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Thanks for posting an in-game video!!! Now people can see the potential in Madden. Even Cris sounds wayyy different in real life, not necessarily how he talks, but what he talks about. Maybe you can find one of Cris as well!! That's what I mean. Gus' normal play-by-play is excellent as witnessed in the video!

[jpdavis82]

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Thanks for posting an in-game video!!! Now people can see the potential in Madden. Even Cris sounds wayyy different in real life, not necessarily how he talks, but what he talks about. Maybe you can find one of Cris as well!! That's what I mean. Gus' normal play-by-play is excellent as witnessed in the video!

Cris on SNF

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[at23steelers]

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Thank you Davis!!! Check out in the video at 1:32 and 5:10. That is when Cris gives analysis that you might miss if you were just watching the action. This is where he shines, and is ashame he does NONE of this in madden. Instead, he says things like, "Donovan was really feeling it on that one. What a throw." This adds nothing to the commentary. Instead IRL Chris is pointing out the RB blocking in the first one I listed and showing the coverage lapse in the second. Also, I really liked the time in the pocket, stop watch. This would make Madden's presentation which I think will be excellent this year to even another level.

[mojo6911]

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Commentary wasn't touched this year, so why argue over it?

Back on topic. They look like they nailed Cutler's throwing motion. It looks pretty close to real life. How many QBs have unique throwing motions in the game?

[at23steelers]

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We're not arguing about it lol, we're showing the potential Madden can have with its commentary in later editions. These two videos showcase how good these two are IRL.

[Equinox831]

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The Bears helmets are too light. The actual helmet is navy like the rest of the jersey... Come on EA.