I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

During the very first part of the offseason, when you hire new staff.

Alright, I'll pick one team and make sure to re-sign their veterans so it doesn't mess the draft up and I'll post results here in a few.

[Actinguy1]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Praying this works.

The danger in having positions less than 100 is it makes it more likely that a P/K will be taken in the first round, even if that need is 0. It happened to me. However, it IS possible that it will still work if you're leaving the rest of the sliders at 100.

I don't see the need though. See the first page of this post, where I list where the QB's were taken. Needed starting QBs were taken in the first round. Needed backups were taken in rounds 3-7. I think that works.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

The danger in having positions less than 100 is it makes it more likely that a P/K will be taken in the first round, even if that need is 0. It happened to me. However, it IS possible that it will still work if you're leaving the rest of the sliders at 100.

I don't see the need though. See the first page of this post, where I list where the QB's were taken. Needed starting QBs were taken in the first round. Needed backups were taken in rounds 3-7. I think that works.

I'm not using imported classes, so the K/P thing isn't a worry. I was more hoping that teams would end up with competant backups now with the priorities stuff.

[Actinguy1]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

I'm not using imported classes, so the K/P thing isn't a worry. I was more hoping that teams would end up with competant backups now with the priorities stuff.

Not the purpose of this fix...I've never even tried the Madden classes...but let me know how that works out!

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Side note - I've been paying attention to who teams have been cutting using this priority method since that's a whole issue in itself and it seems the only head scratcher who got cut was Rodgers-Cromartie from the Eagles. There weren't many UDFA's/fake players on the CPU rosters once FA started. Possible fix?

QB's Taken in Round 1 -

Dolphins passed on Luck at #2, took a Left Tackle instead.

Raiders took Weeden at #6, and a Punter was taken by the Bears immediately after

Skins took Luck

Bills took Lindley

Seahawks took Dominique Davis....Moore, Foles, and Keenum all still on the board.

That was just the first round

The Dolphins took Keenum in the second

The Colts traded up with the Jets and took Moore with a mid-round pick in the 2nd.

The Cowboys took Darron Thomas in the fourth.

The Packers took Foles in the third - Flynn left in FA got picked up by the Chiefs.


So, it seems this method does work, and if you set a priority somewhere in the mid-range for teams that have a Franchise QB but need a backup they will pick a QB but not early enough to where it doesn't make sense.

What's really surprising is Foles had a 1st round grade, but after simming to the Pre-Season he had a lower overall than the QB's taken ahead of him. But has a higher potential. So, the CPU passed on the player with the higher celing and took the player with the higher overall. If the Packers hadn't drafted him I don't know who would have at that point.

Late round Pickups/UD Qb's that were signed

The Giants took Tannehill in the 7th, Manning needed a backup.

Lions signed Jacory Harris as an UDFA

The Chargers signed Robert Griffin III as an UDFA

Falcons signed Russell Wilson as an UDFA

[Actinguy1]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Thanks for that input! Can I ask a few questions to clarify?

1) What was your method? Did you sim the first season as just one team, then switch to all 32 teams, change their drafting strategies, and switch back to just one team?

2) What priorities did you do? The ones I suggest in the first post, or some other set? I ask because Miami taking a LT over Andrew Luck doesn't make sense, unless one of several things is happening. A) Miami already has a good QB. That's never happened in my franchise...they release everyone and don't pick up a QB in FA, but certainly possible. B) The LT is listed above Luck, which I've seen happen. In that case, I understand why Miami chooses the T over QB. C) You've got the sliders different than mine. No problem with that of course, but if you let us know what your sliders were, we may learn new information.

3) A punter was taken seventh overall? To me, this suggests that once you stop controlling a team, they revert to their original draft strategies...meaning you have to control all 32 teams forever and ever...or at least the first five years. Can you verify I'm understanding your setup correctly?

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Thanks for that input! Can I ask a few questions to clarify?

1) What was your method? Did you sim the first season as just one team, then switch to all 32 teams, change their drafting strategies, and switch back to just one team?

2) What priorities did you do? The ones I suggest in the first post, or some other set? I ask because Miami taking a LT over Andrew Luck doesn't make sense, unless one of several things is happening. A) Miami already has a good QB. That's never happened in my franchise...they release everyone and don't pick up a QB in FA, but certainly possible. B) The LT is listed above Luck, which I've seen happen. In that case, I understand why Miami chooses the T over QB. C) You've got the sliders different than mine. No problem with that of course, but if you let us know what your sliders were, we may learn new information.

3) A punter was taken seventh overall? To me, this suggests that once you stop controlling a team, they revert to their original draft strategies...meaning you have to control all 32 teams forever and ever...or at least the first five years. Can you verify I'm understanding your setup correctly?

1. No, I started the franchise controlling all 32 teams. Fixed the sliders like you informed us to. Then switched to one team in the first off-season.


2. I pretty much used the same priorites you told us to, only slightly tweaking the QB slider for a team with a veteran/franchise QB who may need a back up. Chiefs, Packers, Falcons, ect. I wanted to test and see if the teams in that category would eventually fill the role of needing a backup QB either through the draft or FA or both.


Using that method I found a very interesting situation. The Chiefs wound up getting Matt Flynn in FA *Cassel sucks*. They had two shots at Luck, three at Foles and two at Keenum and they passed on them every single time even know their slider was set a little higher. It makes it appear that there is something to the priority slider. We've all seen it in previous Maddens when a CPU team will take a position of need in FA then immediately sign another player at the same position in the draft. That didn't happen here. The Chiefs went and filled a different need. Meanwhile the Packers waited until the last possible chance to fill the QB need in the draft. It still baffles me that Foles had a higher potential rating but was passed on. So it does seem the CPU will draft a player with a high overall rating regardless. But using your sliders it helps prevent that from happening right away. I think you're on the right track to fixing it altogether, there really are something to these sliders.



Miami taking a tackle over Luck didn't make sense at first, but after looking at the overalls once Pre-Season started the Tackle was one overall point higher than luck. And the QB they finally took in the second was only 4 points lower than Luck. All three of them had A potential ratings. Again, the CPU took the player with the higher overall rating over a position of need. The thing is, they moved the LT they took to RT since they already have Long at LT. Long had a higher overall rating than the drafted player so, but the drafted player had a higher overall rating than their starting RT. Again, the higher overall comes into play. But, they still wound up with their franchise QB, so I guess you could argue the pick made sense.

As far as the punter thing goes, the Punter wound up having a 75 overall with a B potential. Nic Harris only has a 73 and is 35 years old.

I believe the overall rating is where most of these problems are coming into play. I also believe that the CPU releasing veterans for fake players has something to do with all of these. After looking at Miami's roster a second time they had both Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer as their QB's they got from FA. Which might explain why they passed on Luck off the bat.

[Actinguy1]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Thanks for the updates, I think I definitely understand it better now. The punter being taken so early in your run is still baffling to me however, as he wasn't drafted AT ALL in mine. I have to reiterate the importance of having as many 100 OVRs as possible for each team, to avoid this issue. Of course, other people have other priorities, and that's fine too.

I've discovered a major problem. I simmed a season only controlling the Steelers. Got to the point where I have to choose my staff, and switched to controlling all 32 teams. So far, so good. Switched about half of the priorities to my settings (100 for everything except 0 for punter, kicker, and rising star QBs). Then I got to the Jaguars, and it told me I couldn't make any changes until I hire a head coach. Okay. Go into the screen to do so...but I can't. It says the Jaguars already have a head coach. Okey doke. Guess I'll fire him. Except I can't, because he doesn't exist.

Lord almighty.

My concern is that if I sim past this task, I won't be able to change teams later in the offseason. Can anyone tell me if it's possible to change teams at other points in the offseason?

[SoxFan01605]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to change teams at other points in the offseason?

Unfortunately, no. The Staff Offseason is the only point where you can switch team control.

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

The punter issue could just be related to his higher overall than the Bears. After all, no two people will have the same player have the same overall in their draft class. They get rated differently, which I also think is part of the problem. If there was a universal class, or rating for each class then I think most of these problems could be avoided.

I firmly believe it's the higher overall that's causing these issues, along with the CPU removing players it shouldn't. Those two problems on their own aren't that bad, combine them and you've got a serious problem.

Take for instnace the Dolphins, had the Bengals/Titans not released their respective QB's the Dolphins likely would have taken Luck over the Tackle. Since the Dolphins had two franchise QB's they waited to take their QB of the future.

Since the Titans removed Hasselbeck, they picked up Crist as an UDFA as well.

[Actinguy1]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Oh, I know the teams focus on overall rather than position, generally speaking. The intent of this fix is to...well...fix that. By setting the priorities as I've outlined, this shouldn't be happening anymore. The punter was projected to go 3rd overall in my run through, meaning he had the 3rd highest OVR, yet he wasn't taken at all. The system works...it's the fact that you're trying to get certain teams to take backup QBs that is throwing it off. I think. Maybe.

Unfortunately, my game just keeps getting buggier and buggier. I figured out how to sim the staff section without actually advancing a week and losing the ability to swap teams...but it STILL says I'm missing a head coach. For ALL of the teams. Despite the fact that I just simmed through the hiring session.

Honestly, it's like the game knows I'm trying to fix it, and it's pulling out all the stops to prevent me from doing so.

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Oh, I know the teams focus on overall rather than position, generally speaking. The intent of this fix is to...well...fix that. By setting the priorities as I've outlined, this shouldn't be happening anymore.

Unfortunately, my game just keeps getting buggier and buggier. I figured out how to sim the staff section without actually advancing a week and losing the ability to swap teams...but it STILL says I'm missing a head coach. For ALL of the teams. Despite the fact that I just simmed through the hiring session.

Honestly, it's like the game knows I'm trying to fix it, and it's pulling out all the stops to prevent me from doing so.

I think you're getting close though. Because for the most part in the Draft I watched the only real head scratchers were Miami passing on Luck, and the Bears taking the punter so early.

Let it be noted that another P/K weren't taken until the mid-6th after that.

I think to completely fix it, we all need to try to find a way around the CPU releasing players it shouldn't. Like I said had Palmer/Hasselbeck not been on the Dolphins they probably would have taken Luck. They passed on Luck due to having to veterans and took their QB at a later point while still filling a need role with the pick they should have used on Luck. So even though what happened didn't make sense, in a way it does.

[Actinguy1]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

I think you're getting close though. Because for the most part in the Draft I watched the only real head scratchers were Miami passing on Luck, and the Bears taking the punter so early.

Let it be noted that another P/K weren't taken until the mid-6th after that.

I think to completely fix it, we all need to try to find a way around the CPU releasing players it shouldn't. Like I said had Palmer/Hasselbeck not been on the Dolphins they probably would have taken Luck. They passed on Luck due to having to veterans and took their QB at a later point while still filling a need role with the pick they should have used on Luck. So even though what happened didn't make sense, in a way it does.

If the Dolphins have Palmer/Hasselbeck, they don't have an immediate need at QB. Long term, yes, but it makes sense that they'd pass on Luck to take an outstanding LT, which is one of the most important spots on the field (protecting the QB's blindside). I don't have today's number handy, but in 2004 Vick and Hasselbeck were the two highest paid players in the NFL. The third and fourth most highest paid players were LTs.

As for fixing who gets released, the only way I can see doing that is to control all 32 teams. I do intend to do that in the near future, if I could get my game to stop breaking long enough that I could be absolutely sure that the draft is working as I designed.

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

Excuse the double post but I do believe I just noticed another bug.

Have you tried going back into the Coaching Schemes after the first years draft?

[LivingLegend]

Re: I Fixed the Imported Draft! (No P/K in first round, no Carolina taking a QB)

If the Dolphins have Palmer/Hasselbeck, they don't have an immediate need at QB. Long term, yes, but it makes sense that they'd pass on Luck to take an outstanding LT, which is one of the most important spots on the field (protecting the QB's blindside).

As for fixing who gets released, the only way I can see doing that is to control all 32 teams. I do intend to do that in the near future, if I could get my game to stop breaking long enough that I could be absolutely sure that the draft is working as I designed.

Since Palmer and Hasselbeck are so old, I'm curious to find out what will happen in FA/the Draft the second year. If the Dolphins take a veteran (in the event these guys retire) and not draft a QB than I would say what you've done is more than successful. I'm gonna sim really fast and see what they do.