The Most Cheating Done By A Computer EVER

[mngophers21]

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there is a slider labeled clearly fumble slider, do you read well?

theoretically if I put the slider for CPU fumbles on 0, they should fumble pretty damn often right?


I've played numerous games in a row where they've never fumbled on 0.

[thundergatti]

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[quote=pegout;2043133148]http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/...team-lost-lead

Great job, esp. the Romo observation.

I recall during I think the Jets game last week where there was a red zone touchdown pass. One of the safeties just completely lost his man and wasn't covering anybody in the endzone and allowed a touchdown pass. The announcer really ripped him for it on the replay, like "What is that guy doing how is he not covering anybody!" And I thought Madden deserves credit, haha, as this was JUST like one of those videos Moody and company would make to highlight their grievances with the game. I guess maybe those who analyze Madden too much can lose their grip on reality!

[Faizon]

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RB = protect ball

seems like most of these stories would be remedied if people took their finger off turbo and put it on protect ball at the end of games.

[Lerxt]

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You were up 17 points in the 4th quarter. You didn't close it out. That is all.

[bichettehappens]

So when is it ok for the CPU to come back , and not feel like it was cheating?

In the NFL this year there have been numoreous big comebacks, and many done in the 4th qtr, but when it is done in Madden it is a cheating.

It was one game as you stated, and that does happen. Where all of the sudden everything falls apart for a team, and momentum is one sided.

Now if this happen every 3 games or so then I would definitely have a problem with it, but you said this was the only game where it happened.

So what's the problem? You never seen this happen in real life?

Basically. If the Cowboys loss to Detroit occurred in Madden, I'm sure there would be another thread about comeback AI and psychic defenders etc. It happens

[ryan36]

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theoretically if I put the slider for CPU fumbles on 0, they should fumble pretty damn often right?


I've played numerous games in a row where they've never fumbled on 0.

Try 100. Lol, sometimes sliders don't do what we think they should

[bichettehappens]

I hate when people do this. Using a once in a lifetime miracle comeback game, and comparing it to something that happens in Madden nearly every single game or two.

Yes it CAN happen, but SHOULD it happen in the frequency that it does in Madden? No

I've never had a game in Madden 12 where I felt I got cheated out of a win. There have been plays here and there where fishy stuff happens (miraculous picks and whatnot) but if I've lost a game to the CPU on All-Madden I have been able to pinpoint places where I went wrong, whether poor defense, clock management, playcalling, or just bad decisions.

Never did I feel the need to complain about the game cheating me out of a win. Not on Madden 12 at least (had one in 11 where it was a last minute hail mary that my corner reached up to tip and the ball literally passed thru his hand and was caught for the game-winning TD). Sure, right after it happens when im irritated about the loss I'll act like I got screwed out of a win, but after the fact I have been able to reflect on how I blew it or got "outplayed"

[Jarodd21]

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Basically. If the Cowboys loss to Detroit occurred in Madden, I'm sure there would be another thread about comeback AI and psychic defenders etc. It happens

Yeah this cheating AI and Psychic defenders mess needs to stop. This hasn't happen to me yet. When I have a big lead like that I win the game. Gamers need to look in the mirror at themselves when THEY blow games like that instead of saying they got cheated especially when crazy comebacks happen in real life..

[KBLover]

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RB = protect ball

seems like most of these stories would be remedied if people took their finger off turbo and put it on protect ball at the end of games.

Or at any time.

I might be too cautious, but I always protect the ball in traffic (unless I get greedy or too lax). Last thing I want to do is get ninja'd by Ray Lewis or some 95 POW strong safety and give up the ball. Those kinds of guys knock the ball out enough as it is.

[KBLover]

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This is why I think there needs to be a plainly labeled fumble slider. Fumble, int, recovered onside kick... is not a fun sequence, and games are supposed to be fun.

KB, I think that you're right , these things happen. But not all bunched together, it seems VERY artificial... whether it is or not.

Isn't part of the fun of football, if not all sports, is the fact that victory or defeat can come from nowhere and create surprises?

Sure, giving up a fumble - having to defend a very short field isn't fun. Then having your QB throw a pick - and then they score and get the onside kick...that all does suck and I'd be like COME ON, PLAY BETTER! but, it does happen. I had a game a couple nights ago where my receivers dropped 10 passes. Ten.

Then I remembered a game where the Rams dropped nine and I was like, yeah, we were the Rams today, we'll get them next game.

There have been big comebacks in real life. I'm sure it wasn't fun to see a 20 point lead evaporate in 5 to 7 minutes. Everything you fought for in 55 minutes, gone in 5. I'm sure Tebow wasn't having fun when he got killed by the Lions. A lot of guys love the game, but that doesn't mean they love everything that happens to them/their team in the game. I look at Madden the same way. I enjoy the game, but I won't enjoy every game I have. Some will frustrate me, some will make me want to reach inside my tv and pimp slap someone, and some just make me say "Yeah, you suck like this in real life too."

Things can get out of hand for teams. I do believe this game has some kind of "momentum" in it or at least it seems that way (might just be the human "pattern seeking" trait at work). I know when my team is screwing up left and right - I get ultra conservative just to try to get some rhythm back, especially if they have down DPP.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it's just not your day. How does that saying go? Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug?

[KBLover]

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@kblover all my passes were 5-10 yard passes that I had hit the entire game until those 6 throws at the end. And on the last kickoff I did cover the bll but tht didn't help. Hopefully this is the only time I lose like that and so far it has. I've had games where the CPU comes back (ion your sliders which I love by the way) but it was nowhere near to the extent of how I lost this game.

It happens. I've had games where my QB is on and hitting then suddenly, the only thing he can hit is the Gatorade cooler on the sideline and maybe the cheerleaders. Josh Freeman is notorious for this with me. (and he has 4 star consistency, so maybe it's the WR's fault) I've had it go the other way. Pure crap for 3 quarters, then in the 4th, he's on and leading a comeback. Consistency is always a factor - as is DPP. I see this with the CPU too. I knock a guy around, but then he gets hot, hits like 8 in a row, puts two good drives together, then stone cold again.

I would have pulled that KR if he fumbled twice in that short of time. His DPP might have been down and that late in the game, I would have put the highest CAR guys I have back there, even if they are slow. Also, did he have the Fumble Prone trait? Did the guy(s) forcing the fumbles have any Playmaker or Clutch: Yes? That stuff matters too.

[AndrewGW88]

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I would have pulled that KR if he fumbled twice in that short of time. His DPP might have been down and that late in the game, I would have put the highest CAR guys I have back there, even if they are slow. Also, did he have the Fumble Prone trait? Did the guy(s) forcing the fumbles have any Playmaker or Clutch: Yes? That stuff matters too.

Im not sure but Sproles took the last return. Henderson took the first one. Im not sure who made the fumbles occur.

[belucheez]

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Happens. See: LaGarette Blount




Protect the ball. Teams desperate for the ball in real life try to strip the ball as much as possible. Why shouldn't Madden teams?



Happens. WR are human. Sometimes they drop balls wide open. I'm sure we've seen that before in the real game.



So far, it sounds like your defense has been on the field a LOT already. I haven't read a single first down you've converted. MJD is a bruising runner, maybe your defenders are tiring.



Protect. The. Ball. You've already seen your KR is fumbling. Heck, I'd pull him out at this point. Right now you don't need a super kick return, you just need to maintain possession.



What kind of throws where these? Down by 1 score with 2 minutes left, you could go into a high percentage passing game and into a hurry up offense, especially if you have all your timeouts. I've done it - you can move 80 yds in 2 minutes without using hurry up if you use good clock management and take what the defense gives you.

Then, of course, the defense gets paid too so they could stop you. But it's hard to believe that with Brees and the Saints WR and TE and heck even using Sproles out of the backfield that you couldn't find ANY play that could net you some yardage through the air.

If you're not getting any protection, then it's time to make quick throws that can move the ball. If you're trying to go deep and you already know you're not getting protection - that's going to be tough. And, again, maybe the defense is just winning this time. It does happen. Best you can do it go Shotgun and try a screen if they persist on blitzing or maybe even a draw play if you have time and time outs - don't forget about the run.



Varied games. They happen. Look at 4 games for any real life team. I bet most of them will have varied games and I'm sure some of them they enjoyed more than others, even if they were all W's. Getting upset is just going to hinder you for next game and maybe start a vicious cycle.

Wow. shut up you ****ing geek.

[Evan_OS]

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Wow. shut up you ****ing geek.

Unnecessary..

Bye bye

[TheDelta]

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I would have pulled that KR if he fumbled twice in that short of time. His DPP might have been down and that late in the game, I would have put the highest CAR guys I have back there, even if they are slow. Also, did he have the Fumble Prone trait? Did the guy(s) forcing the fumbles have any Playmaker or Clutch: Yes? That stuff matters too.

This. I ALWAYS check DPP after a fumble, more often than not, the player who just fumbled will have gained the "Covers the ball against every hit" status effect, when that happens, it means that YOU have to cover the ball against every hit, otherwise the risk to fumble again will be much, much higher as long as the effect is active.