How do I make franchise mode more challenging?

[Big FN Deal]

Re: How do I make franchise mode more challenging?

So in NCAA 11 you can even let the CPU control the QB while you "lock" to a WR? WTF is player lock not in Madden 12 then? lol

[PGaither84]

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Yeah, I sometimes played as the TE. Just press B a few times to select who you want and click the Right thumb stick if I recall... but I always liked being the QB only. I admit, using the spin move asa juke move is so tempting, I can't help it sometimes.

[steelsnarf]

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Well, that IS 10 tackles...

I mean, I agree, you'd like more solo tackles, but sometimes the way the tackling works is you'll get some stats like that sometimes.

But think of it like this - that was 10 plays he was at least a factor on in bringing down the ball carrier. That's good play from the safety position. Heck, if he averages that every game - that's 160 tackles.

I'd take that any way I can get it

Yeah I guess you're right, it's just kind of a pet peeve for me. It's just a little odd looking at yearly stats and seeing a guy with more assists then solo tackles but at least he's getting something. I don't know why this is a problem for my safeties and nobody else.

I just have one question. Do you know if the amount of tackles you get affects progression at the end of the year? I mean it really shouldn't but I still have yet to figure out madden progression.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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As in all things except chess, it is better to play another human, especially in a gme like madden with multiple layers of overlapping strategy. Sadly with the current state of online franchise that just isn't fun.

Also,the other suggestions to handicap yourself may be fun.

[Jarodd21]

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As in all things except chess, it is better to play another human, especially in a gme like madden with multiple layers of overlapping strategy. Sadly with the current state of online franchise that just isn't fun.

Also,the other suggestions to handicap yourself may be fun.

There's no need to handicap yourself with my sliders(black).Trust me when I say that and I've played with the best of them online too so don't mistake me as just an offline player.. There's ways to make the CPU competitive against any USER player as long as you're not the type of player who like to use exploits and cheats against the CPU.. The OP has been having competitive games against the CPU since switching over to my sliders. So far everyone who has used my black set hasn't had any issue with getting a challenge from the CPU especially since I put the final touches on it 2 months ago..

[steelsnarf]

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There's no need to handicap yourself with my sliders(black).Trust me when I say that and I've played with the best of them online too so don't mistake me as just an offline player.. There's ways to make the CPU competitive against any USER player as long as you're not the type of player who like to use exploits and cheats against the CPU.. The OP has been having competitive games against the CPU since switching over to my sliders. So far everyone who has used my black set hasn't had any issue with getting a challenge from the CPU especially since I put the final touches on it 2 months ago..

Yeah, I've played at least 5 games on these sliders and my record is 1-4 so far. This is the kind of challenge I've been looking for. The cool thing about how hard the games are is now I actually have to carefully build my team up from the ground to be good. Making the playoffs all the time when you know your team is garbage is never fun. I recommend these black sliders to anyone looking for a real challenge.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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There's no need to handicap yourself with my sliders(black).Trust me when I say that and I've played with the best of them online too so don't mistake me as just an offline player.. There's ways to make the CPU competitive against any USER player as long as you're not the type of player who like to use exploits and cheats against the CPU.. The OP has been having competitive games against the CPU since switching over to my sliders. So far everyone who has used my black set hasn't had any issue with getting a challenge from the CPU especially since I put the final touches on it 2 months ago..

I'm not just talking on the field but the whole of Franchise mode. My theory is because of how spread out the resources of this game are, that the not enough attention is paid to one game mode, giving each a watered down feeling. The AI in Franchise is not entirely competant at creating competive long run opponents, like a human would.

Ideally, I'd love to get a 32 man franchise, that plays like offline Franchise. With 32 human opponents, the game would hold me in the long term because there would be natural shifts of power, human intellect vs human intellect.

Regardless of sliders, AI is programmed to only have a limited number of options whereas humans have only the limitations of their intelect and can be random, and spuractic, and unpredictable making for a more interesting and challenging opponent than an AI.

[Jarodd21]

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Regardless of sliders, AI is programmed to only have a limited number of options whereas humans have only the limitations of their intelect and can be random, and spuractic, and unpredictable making for a more interesting and challenging opponent than an AI.

Sliders increase the execution of the play the CPU calls. It affects there coverage when raising the INTs, pass reaction, and pass rush. It forces the USER to be very quick with there decisions and if you make a mistake you will pay for it so you have to be careful with the ball. Messing with the CPU accuracy and catching helps the CPU QB get the ball off quicker and along with finding the open player instead of holding on to the ball like an idiot. You also get better runblocking and vision for the CPU runners when messing with the breaktackles and runblocking. Also tweaking certain USER sliders to test of your skills like the USER accuracy. Have you ever tried playing with the USER accuracy at 6? It takes major stick skills with the left stick in order to play with the USER accuracy that low. I see alot of people on here talking about how good they are with the left stick. Playing on default All-Madden isn't really testing your skills with the left stick because on default All-madden the USER accuracy is 25. Hell most games online is played on All-Pro where the USER accuracy is 50.. You don't even have to use the left stick really on All-Pro. Put the USER accuracy on 6 where I have it and you'll really find out how good you are with the left stick. Sliders affect alot more then you think. Sounds like you never really gotten deep into how sliders work from that statement. I've had people tell me my sliders made them better online players..

I understand you rather play against humans and it's nothing wrong with that. Everybody has there preference. I like doing both.. I was just simply pointing out that the way I have my sliders set(for on the field play) the CPU will give you a competitive challenge no matter how good you are.. I'm not claiming to be the best player on Madden but I am very good. I've never backed down from a challenge from anyone. Like I told you before I've gotten down with the best of them online. When I play online I seek out nothing but top competition. I have a friend list full of guys who are good. I'm a very competitive person so I put in alot of work with my sliders to get the CPU to be competitive with me or else the game would get boring quick for me. I have yet to come across anybody who said my sliders(black) didn't give them a challenge. Not one person and there has been alot of people who has used my sliders since the game dropped..

I've made a believer out of alot of skilled players who were saying the same exact stuff you are who are now enjoying the challenge that my sliders bring and are years into there offline franchise because of it. Like I said I understand you rather play humans and that's fine I'm just simply pointing out that you can get a challenge from the CPU without having to handicap yourself at all with my sliders(black) if your a non cheating player. That's guaranteed.. If you play sim ball like you say you do the CPU will give you one hell of a challenge. Best thing I can tell you to do is test them out for yourself.. Here's the link to my page if you decide to try them out. Go right into the black set..

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...m-sliders.html

[KBLover]

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I'm not just talking on the field but the whole of Franchise mode.

Yeah, if the CPU could build better teams and be more logical about cut days, that alone would help.

Then if there were trades other than on draft day with teams loading up for the second half - could make battles down the stretch more interesting.

The sliders can take care of the on-field play, but in the front office/scouting departments - we don't have much of anything to help that.

[Jarodd21]

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Yeah, if the CPU could build better teams and be more logical about cut days, that alone would help.

Then if there were trades other than on draft day with teams loading up for the second half - could make battles down the stretch more interesting.

The sliders can take care of the on-field play, but in the front office/scouting departments - we don't have much of anything to help that.

Yeah I can't do nothing about the front office mess. That's why I control all 32 teams and beef them up through the draft along with eliminated those garbage UDFA players but I definitely got the on field play rolling for the CPU..

[KBLover]

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Yeah I can't do nothing about the front office mess. That's why I control all 32 teams and beef them up through the draft along with eliminated those garbage UDFA players but I definitely got the on field play rolling for the CPU..

Yeah, exactly - I do the same things in my franchise. So sad we have to do this.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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I think you missed the point of my post. I was not referring to on the field gameplay. As you admitted in a post afterwards you cannot fix the mess of the AI.

My point was mostly aimed towards saying the incompetance of the GM AI. That was my point. To me, a good strategy game with other players holds infinite replayability. Risk, Monopoly and chess hold long term replayability because of the immense number of possibilities. Now play these games against an AI and that becomes less so do to predictability.

Humans, while predictable at times, can make crazy like a fox type moves that leave you scratching your head, while AI makes you scratch your head and then cry because you know it will never learn from mistakes.

Same can be said for Madden. I like the idea of Online Franchise, but its too dry and boring. Its like making a sandwhich, with only the bread.

[Jarodd21]

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I think you missed the point of my post. I was not referring to on the field gameplay. As you admitted in a post afterwards you cannot fix the mess of the AI.

My point was mostly aimed towards saying the incompetance of the GM AI. That was my point. To me, a good strategy game with other players holds infinite replayability. Risk, Monopoly and chess hold long term replayability because of the immense number of possibilities. Now play these games against an AI and that becomes less so do to predictability.

Humans, while predictable at times, can make crazy like a fox type moves that leave you scratching your head, while AI makes you scratch your head and then cry because you know it will never learn from mistakes.

Same can be said for Madden. I like the idea of Online Franchise, but its too dry and boring. Its like making a sandwhich, with only the bread.

Oh my bad it sounded like you were trying to say its no hope for the AI on the field because if some of the dumb stuff they do.. I always jump in when I see guys post that kind of stuff and it usually be from guys who use other sets and never tried mine because if getting a challenge from the CPU is a problem my sliders can fix that issue. Try playing with the CPUs breaktackles on 100. You'll see some serious cutback ability, jukes, and vision when they are running inside on regular plays. I've dove at air a few times while getting a move put on me. Haha! There kickoff and puntreturn ability is horrible though. I would definitely like to see there open field running improved for 13. But you are right there decisions off the field is bad.. I can't do anything about that besides control all 32 teams like I'm doing now.

[KBLover]

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To me, a good strategy game with other players holds infinite replayability. Risk, Monopoly and chess hold long term replayability because of the immense number of possibilities. Now play these games against an AI and that becomes less so do to predictability.
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And even then, assuming the AI was given good attention, that lowered replay value isn't as bad as it could be because good AI's now at least TRY to learn either from what the human does or from the results of its own successes/failures.

Not as common as it should be, but at least in some cases, it is there. Madden's AI, though, doesn't even get the basics right. It would be like a chess AI that always valued pawns more than queens and didn't even have the standard opening moves and doesn't know how to capture.

[mjhyankees]

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And even then, assuming the AI was given good attention, that lowered replay value isn't as bad as it could be because good AI's now at least TRY to learn either from what the human does or from the results of its own successes/failures.

Not as common as it should be, but at least in some cases, it is there. Madden's AI, though, doesn't even get the basics right. It would be like a chess AI that always valued pawns more than queens and didn't even have the standard opening moves and doesn't know how to capture.

Good hard sliders do it for me.