End of Console Generations is Not an Excuse for No Innovation

[Briskin00]

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You could hook a PC to any size HDTV, whether it be plasma, LCD, LED or DLP, hell you can even hook it up to a HD projector and play on a 300 inch screen if you wanted to. Also you can use a regular XBox 360 controller with PC games as well.

Im still paying with the dying madden 08 PC population on my HDTV with an Xbox 360 controller and its still better than madden 12 on the 360.

[thevaliantx]

I agree with this, but I feel strongly that 13 will be turning the corner. Game play video on GT TV for NCAA is Friday morning at 1:00 am.

NCAA and Madden usually mirror each other with game play, but we'll see.

All I'm saying is that I'm cautiously optimistic for 13. If folks want to keep going back over history, that's fine, but I'm trying to look forward. And I understand folks that keep looking back.

LOL!!!!! There is always .... someone .... who comes out of the woodwork with the "but, the next one's going to be better". I'm not sure if these folks are just fanboys, or just gullible. As for me, and the droves upone droves of folks here on OS that I (know) I speak for, EA's football game is terrible in terms of gameplay. That fact won't change until EA changes.

[Big FN Deal]

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LOL!!!!! There is always .... someone .... who comes out of the woodwork with the "but, the next one's going to be better". I'm not sure if these folks are just fanboys, or just gullible. As for me, and the droves upone droves of folks here on OS that I (know) I speak for, EA's football game is terrible in terms of gameplay. That fact won't change until EA changes.

Well I consider myself neither a EA fanboy or gullible, well maybe a little of latter and I also think M13 will be not only better than M12 but different from "run of the mill" Madden. Now I could turn out to be completely wrong but I believe based on the changes that have taken place, the game will follow suit.

I don't begrudge anyone that doesn't agree but I wonder how much attention they are paying to what seems to be happening in relation to creating the game. You stated, "EA's football game is terrible in terms of gameplay. That fact won't change until EA changes." and according to the available information I have found, EA has changed in relation to Madden and EA football as a whole. Of course that does not equate to Madden 13 being better or different but by your own admission it's a necessary step for improving the game and reason for optimism, imo.

[roadman]

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LOL!!!!! There is always .... someone .... who comes out of the woodwork with the "but, the next one's going to be better". I'm not sure if these folks are just fanboys, or just gullible. As for me, and the droves upone droves of folks here on OS that I (know) I speak for, EA's football game is terrible in terms of gameplay. That fact won't change until EA changes.

I have my reasons like Big said above and I did say, cautiously optimistic, but that must mean something different than what you think it means.

If you continue to think 13 will be the same or worse than 12, please, by all means, continue.

And like Big said, there have been position changes and number of game play people changes, but I know how that can be forgotten and ignored.

What a boring place this would be if people's opinions and expectations would be the same.

[DaveDQ]

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Good article. I think though that nothing so far this generation gives me hope that what looks to be the last installmment (or second to last) will do much. Madden let down a lot of sports gamers this generation. We knew what we were getting with the exclusive license. It was going to be up to EA Sports to deliver something definitive and they didn't.

I will continue saying this until I see a distinct, positive turn around with this franchise. Madden football has no soul. You just don't get the sense when you put this game in that it is pulling you in. It's just not that kind of game. You could argue that in many cases it's out of the developers hands because this game makes money and they will always play it safe and not fix what they consider not to be broken.

But the game lacks an identity. Pro-tak is in, pro-tak is out. Online franchise is in, online franchise isn't enhanced or even give much attention. There's a long list of "improvements" that come in for one year and are grayed out the next. It just gives you the sense the title lacks a true core identity.

[mcmax3000]

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Thanks. I did some research of my own and was finding different answers from different sources. Some websites said Madden 13 is the last one and some sites said it runs to Madden 14 so I'm still a bit confused. Thanks for the reply.

I think the confusion comes from the fact that I believe they signed a one year extension last year when there was threat of an NFL lockout, which would've likely had a significant impact on sales for Maddel 12 so the original deal would've expired this year but the extension allows for one more year.

(I could be wrong on how long the extension was for but I know I'm right about an extension being signed last year when there was talk of a lockout)

In reality, this will probably all be a moot point though when EA & the NFL sign some six or seven year extension that shuts out other companies again (hopefully not the case but I don't see things realistically going any other way).

[balcobomber25]

Forget innovation can I just have a game that actually plays like a real game of football....

[balcobomber25]

LOL!!!!! There is always .... someone .... who comes out of the woodwork with the "but, the next one's going to be better". I'm not sure if these folks are just fanboys, or just gullible. As for me, and the droves upone droves of folks here on OS that I (know) I speak for, EA's football game is terrible in terms of gameplay. That fact won't change until EA changes.

There are still the ones who try to claim nothing is wrong with either EA Football game and anytime someone says something bad about EA they chalk us up to just being 2k fan boys. It always makes me wonder if they are playing the same game, or if there standards are just that low that they are easily pleased by anything shiny.

[roadman]

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There are still the ones who try to claim nothing is wrong with either EA Football game and anytime someone says something bad about EA they chalk us up to just being 2k fan boys. It always makes me wonder if they are playing the same game, or if there standards are just that low that they are easily pleased by anything shiny.

I really doubt there are "fan boys" on either side. Madden doesn't play a realistic brand of NFL football and 2k is in the distant past.

I just think one side likes to label the other side and vice versa to rehash historical references.

There's plenty of reason's to feel a bit optimistic with Madden 13 and there is plenty of reasons to feel apprehensive about Madden 13 at the same time.

We'll soon find out.

[The_Gaming_Disciple]

Wow...seeing those covers really brought back memories...

[D_Fos]

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At the time I didn't think the Tony Bruno Show was such a big deal. Looking at the Madden series in its current state I wish we had any show to immerse us into the other teams around the league.
Don't get me wrong, I want improved gameplay as well but it would be a welcomed addition to have a show to keep the drama alive between games.
I remember back in the day if I put a high profile player on the trade block and he had a big ego, it would cause the player to lose his moral and he would start griping or crying to the media, which in turn brought the teams moral down. Lil things like a tweet can change things so fast nowadays, it would be nice to see more immersion into the around the league games. Have players moral mattering on and off the field again. Having the off-field stories make it into the on-field commentary would be sweet imo.

Heres to M13 taking a big step in this direction

[49ersgiants4life]

No matter what we all say nobody will listen to us because millions upon millions of people go out and buy the game and whats the point of working extra hard to make changes when EA just makes hundreds of millions off games that it seems like they hardly try on

[Galarius]

Good article. I think though that nothing so far this generation gives me hope that what looks to be the last installmment (or second to last) will do much. Madden let down a lot of sports gamers this generation. We knew what we were getting with the exclusive license. It was going to be up to EA Sports to deliver something definitive and they didn't.

I will continue saying this until I see a distinct, positive turn around with this franchise. Madden football has no soul. You just don't get the sense when you put this game in that it is pulling you in. It's just not that kind of game. You could argue that in many cases it's out of the developers hands because this game makes money and they will always play it safe and not fix what they consider not to be broken.

But the game lacks an identity. Pro-tak is in, pro-tak is out. Online franchise is in, online franchise isn't enhanced or even give much attention. There's a long list of "improvements" that come in for one year and are grayed out the next. It just gives you the sense the title lacks a true core identity.

i agree....madden has no soul...it is the hands down winner of the 'most corporate' sports gaming product year after year.a mcdonalds cheeseburger compared to good steak sandwiches like mlb, nba 2k, and nhl

[mjhyankees]

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This series needs to move to the PC if they want to be taken seriously.

:Youve got to be kidding

[xblake16x]

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Mjhyankees,

You do realize that when people say, "move it to the PC," they don't mean exclusively to the PC, right? They mean that the hard workers in the PC community will mod the heck out of it for the better...