Madden NFL 13 Video - Gameplay With Jim Nantz and Phil Simms In-Game Commentary

[reddogmaddogbul]

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Just got this tweet from Matt Bialosuknia M13 audio director this morning

@mbialosuknia Pregame commentary was great, but crowd and play by play audio was just like Madden 12 to me

Matt Bialosuknia @mbialosuknia
@jpdavis1982 Not sure when that OS/Pasta Padre mix was captured but it's way out of date. Stay tuned for updates.

Good news then,guess Ill stay tuned for those updates;if your wrong you should be kicked in the

[Segagendude]

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One thing I remember with Simms was the introduction of the "chalkboard" in NFL Gameday....

Would be cool if they re-introduced that feature.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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How about privately they've tuned. We don't know that, do we? We are outsiders looking in. I don't think we are privy to what bugs and what they have tuned or tweaked till going gold outside the forums.

So, what to they do from E3 to it goes gold? Take vacations till it goes gold and then come back for feedback?

On Twitter, I've read where they tuned and squashed bugs up to E3.

My question is what is being done privately that they would not want to share with us? This is just a guess on my part , as many do in here just guess. I would think the things they are working on privately is the patch.

Now with Bugs being worked on. That is a given and has to be done,but that doesn't prove that the game will be solid, just less messed up.

It's cool I was hyped a few days ago , but after seeing this video and hearing the commentary I was turned off. I will chill out, and just wait to see what happens, and hopefully I'm wrong.

I don't need 82 hours of commentary to hear the failure. But I do need more than a handful of lines on probably pre-alpha video. It would be like saying the entire pass trajectory system they implemented was a failure based on one screen pass.

And if video's we see in May and June are what we're going to see in August then I guess this is the first year you'll be able to be sacked on 1st and 20 and have it be 1st and 24 (1:30). Crowd noise will also be virtually non-existent and no teams or players will ever be mentioned. They did just update the scoreboard as well so I guess this will be the first year that what we see in May is in fact different than what we get in August.

We've never seen EA deliberately show as little gameplay as possible like they have this year. There wasn't even a point to having the Audio Playbook yesterday because the only new thing we got was the Madden Theme. June 4th is when the cat's out of the bag.

Nothing wrong with you and I feeling differently about this video, or how differently we want to view it.

I agree June 4th is the day when the cat comes out the bag.

[BezO]

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True, but deeming an entire component as a failure after hearing less than 1% of what it has to offer is a little premature, no?

Short answer, yes. But I think 2 things are going on...

1 - Folks are judging what they see today. Nothing wrong with that as that's what the vid is for.
2 - Folks, based on past experiecne, are then responding to others saying it's only a WIP. Nothing wrong with that either.

Sure, this could be the year Madden shows us one thing & releases a better version later. We're all hoping for this.

[Big FN Deal]

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Aren't we juding what we see NOW though? Maybe I should just speak for myself, but if I were to voice my opinion of the commentary in the vid, it would be just that, my opinion on the commentary in THIS vid.

Now, I do understand folks feeling like this is what we're going to get because little ever changes from even the earliest vids (not counting rosters, blatant glitches, etc). But we're still talking about what we're seeing now. Isn't that why the vid is posted? Aren't we supposed to be discussing what we like & don't like?

C'mon Bezo, we are discussing a commentary build in May and now through that tweet we know it's old, whatever that means. My point is I will discuss it in context, not as if this is a sign of the "fail" or "success" that is to come. If I was remodeling a home you were thinking about buying and I showed you a video walk through 9 months into a 12 month project, we would discuss it in that context.

There will be plenty of time and more warranted criticism after E3 to discuss how we all feel what has been shown will effect the M13 final build, imo.

[Big FN Deal]

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I just don't get this, it's a total franchise killer as it detracts from the individual players themselves and the franchise's storyline. MLB the Show can do it, NBA2k can do it, so why is it so hard for EA to record all of the names in the game. I noticed on the V-Jax TD and on the Int there was no commentary on either player that made a big play. Using "He" is a cop out in 2012. In the NFL they would have mentioned every player that made a play by name and usually coupled that with some information regarding that player.

It's easy to say yes EA is headed in the right direction, and to some extent I can concede that. But overall from what I've witnessed so far EA is still playing catchup and will be for awhile. Hopefully June 4th has the "updated" commentary...

Not to speak for Chase and I have no idea how this all turns out but I was thinking that quoting his post would help explain the "he" commentary in the video. Not meaning that there will only be "he" commentary in the final build but understanding that is the base reference point now instead of numbers. So it would seem possible that this build did not contain whatever player name audio data base just the generic "he" foundation. The next implementation could then replace "he" with a name in the audio library if there is one and if not "he" would still be said.

I hope that made sense. lol

[BezO]

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C'mon Bezo, we are discussing a commentary build in May and now through that tweet we know it's old, whatever that means. My point is I will discuss it in context, not as if this is a sign of the "fail" or "success" that is to come.

I agree, we can only discuss it in context. But you can't blame folks for taking the next step given Madden's past. It wouldn't be the first time we saw a vid this early only to see the same in the final release.

If I was remodeling a home you were thinking about buying and I showed you a video walk through 9 months into a 12 month project, we would discuss it in that context.

Unless you had a history like Madden's where not much changes in the last few months.

[djordan]

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Unless you had a history like Madden's where not much changes in the last few months.

Exactly! If I saw the contractor's work beforehand no way would I believe anything will change between the 9-12 month mark.

[Big FN Deal]

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I see I used a poor analogy. lol

Anyway, I think people should wait til at least E3.

Funny things is, even if June 4th is BIG and the game looks much improved at E3, some people, including myself will still say, can't be sure til August. However, if E3 is underwhelming, those same people, including me, will think August will be more of the same. lol

That's the just the way things are, it is what is.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

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I see I used a poor analogy. lol

Anyway, I think people should wait til at least E3.

Funny things is, even if June 4th is BIG and the game looks much improved at E3, some people, including myself will still say, can't be sure til August. However, if E3 is underwhelming, those same people, including me, will think August will be more of the same. lol

That's the just the way things are, it is what is.

Me personally E3 is all I need.

I think I also need to make clear that commentary will not be a deciding factor for me. What will be is the execution of the game. I' am not a fan of the animations this engine produces , but if the gameplay is executed good. Than that is good enough for me.

[djordan]

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I see I used a poor analogy. lol

Anyway, I think people should wait til at least E3.

Funny things is, even if June 4th is BIG and the game looks much improved at E3, some people, including myself will still say, can't be sure til August. However, if E3 is underwhelming, those same people, including me, will think August will be more of the same. lol

That's the just the way things are, it is what is.

LOL yeah you did.I disagree with your statment though. If the commentary makes a 180 turn along with the implementation of real time physics in regards to tackling, and smoother animations (running) at E3 I won't complain.

[ABR173rd]

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I see I used a poor analogy. lol

Anyway, I think people should wait til at least E3.

Funny things is, even if June 4th is BIG and the game looks much improved at E3, some people, including myself will still say, can't be sure til August. However, if E3 is underwhelming, those same people, including me, will think August will be more of the same. lol

That's the just the way things are, it is what is.

Pretty much where I'm at. I don't expect much from EA at this point and I don't feel like they've built up enough trust to warrant giving them the benefit of the doubt. June 4th seems to be the target indicator here, and I can't wait to jump on this forum after the playbooks

[jpdavis82]

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Pretty much where I'm at. I don't expect much from EA at this point and I don't feel like they've built up enough trust to warrant giving them the benefit of the doubt. June 4th seems to be the target indicator here, and I can't wait to jump on this forum after the playbooks

I agree, but in all fairness while it is still EA, it's also a almost completely new development team and we've already seen that they have made noticeable changes(scorebug) since those videos were released.

[PGaither84]

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That isn't my position, but on the flip side, are you saying that nothing is tuned between now and the time the game goes gold?

To me, there is a HUGE difference between tuning and major changes.

Again, the point of a Community Day is to get feedback behind closed doors from respectable members of the community who love football and playing football video games, even if they don't love Madden. I used to love Madden, then 2k stole my heart and I WANT Madden to steal it back, but it hasn't. I don't hate Madden, and I "stil have feeling for the old girl" and that a reason why I still play... but now I am going off topic.

The point is that they are looking for feedback.

At Madden 11 CD, Gus hadn't even finished recording his lines. I was invited along with who ever else wanted to come up and listen to Gus record his Super Bowl lines. I got the hear the Raiders and the rest of the AFC West commentary. That was pretty cool. What that means is that in the CD build of the game, there were tons of place holders and gaps in the commentary. So, yes, there was a lot more work to be done. However, there wasn't going to be some radical change between then and August. In fact, even Madden 12 [12!!!] has Chris still talking to Tom Hammond once in a while. Common.

Sure, I expect the crowd noise to be in the game and other finishing touches, and I hope Chase listens to what we have said in this thread and reads what I wrote on page 7 post #68 where I broke down what I liked and didn't like. Right now, it isn't even close to NBA 2k, and it has a LONG way to go to even get close. Maybe in two years of hard work, but not by August.

[Big FN Deal]

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I agree, but in all fairness while it is still EA, it's also a almost completely new development team and we've already seen that they have made noticeable changes(scorebug) since those videos were released.

I generally agree with this premise but it can over emphasis the dev team as the only past issue.

I liken it to (about to throw up in my mouth a lil) the 90's Dallas Cowboys with Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones. Johnson definitely came in and changed personnel making the Cowboys a winning organization again but Jones was still around mucking some things up.

Likewise for Madden, I feel good about Cam Weber and the personnel around assembled but there may still be an EA Jerry Jones persona or mindset around to muck things up. lol

Time will tell.