Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

[treq21]

how do u define a big number i would say 30-40 Percent is big i think u are looking at 100'000 loss in sales plus once non OS Members get there hands on madden and see all of the losses u can add another 300'000 to 500'000 in trade ins to my 100'000 loss in sales the Q is is losing 500'000 loyal people worth it

Theres no way its 30-40 percent. At least 95% of people who buy this game could not care less about editing rosters...or even most of the other things that the few hundred hardcore players who visit this website care about. In fact, most people just play one off games with their friends either online or in person. In the real world this is a non issue.

[treq21]

I'd love it if they did do this and the PR value alone would probably make it worth their while, the negative press caused by this has somewhat rained on their big parade.
Can't see it happening tho' but the reaction may at least ensure it IS in M14 ( yeah I know....!)

What PR value?? Most people do not care in the slightest about editing rosters. Or franchise. I have a lot of friends who have played this game for years, and when I sometimes mention the issues that people bring up on this website, I am always greeted with a blank stare....they are not aware, and do not care. Not only that...but out of all my friends who play madden....at least 30 people..... I am the only one who starts a franchise and plays the game that way. All of the rest of them just play single games. People dont have interest or time to edit rosters. Unless you are a 15 year old kid...no one does. People have families and jobs.

I think you overestimate the impact of this.

[cuttingteeth]

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If full editing is such a non-issue, then why was this HUGE thread brought up two years ago? http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-thoughts.html


Also, here's my blog about how I might be able to enjoy the game this year:
http://www.operationsports.com/cutti...joy-madden-13/

[treq21]

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If full editing is such a non-issue, then why was this HUGE thread brought up two years ago? http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-thoughts.html


Also, here's my blog about how I might be able to enjoy the game this year:
http://www.operationsports.com/cutti...joy-madden-13/

Its a huge issue on this website. because we are hardcore Madden players. But most people are not. Dont get blinded to the fact that this website has a few thousand fans...but millions of people buy this game. And to most of them, it is a game...not a way of life.

[DeuceDouglas]

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If full editing is such a non-issue, then why was this HUGE thread brought up two years ago? http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-thoughts.html

I don't think anyone's claiming it to be a complete non-issue. I think it's just a lot smaller issue than people that are really frustrated about it are making it out to be.

I also find it funny that you brought up that thread because I've seen this argument used multiple times in regards to how it's unthinkable that it didn't make it into the game.

It's very easy enough to 'unlock' the screen to allow someone to edit everything about their players in Franchise mode. Took like 10 minutes to do.

At the same time, the second part was conveniently always left out when it came to the issue as to why it isn't the game.

Unfortunately, there are about a million things that can go wrong with this unlocked.

[cuttingteeth]

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No, you guys miss the main point being who started that whole thread - The lead Madden Developer - Ian Cummings.

The big guy knew it was important enough to get done. As soon as he's gone, the new guy doesn't care to focus on it so much.

[roadman]

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Change usually comes with new leadership, good or bad.

[treq21]

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No, you guys miss the main point being who started that whole thread - The lead Madden Developer - Ian Cummings.

The big guy knew it was important enough to get done. As soon as he's gone, the new guy doesn't care to focus on it so much.

yes, he started it on Operation Sports...where people care about such things. The masses do not. And EASports knows that...which is why they really dont care, and why they are doing this in the first place.

[Purple28Pedestrian]

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gentlemen, slightly off topic but how does regression work?

I dont quite understand progression, you earn XP and build your players....so what about all the other players' progression? Do you only progress everyone if you are the coach or can you allocate to anybody [not just your selected player]?

In addition how does your player regress if you are in control of XP and allocation of said points.

My biggest gripe was that so many players took 7 point jumps from rookie to sophomore season and hardly any players regressed until they reached 33 yrs old or so. This is part of the reason I can't handle the no edit issue in franchise mode. I like to re-edit everyone so that the top guys are 92/93 overall ala fifa, and have everyone follow suit.

Having the old progressions system there would be several players over 96, several meaning almost 30 by the second and third years of my franchise [not acceptable to me]

[DNMHIII]

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yes, he started it on Operation Sports...where people care about such things. The masses do not. And EASports knows that...which is why they really dont care, and why they are doing this in the first place.

I disagree and you're just making an assumption. Roster editing is such a standard feature that I feel most people expect it in a sports title especially when you can create a player and all those options are available.

I think the masses do care about editing, they probably just don't take issue with it on message boards though.

[cuttingteeth]

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I need to quit assuming everyone sees what I see, so for that I apologize. I will fill in the blanks.

Ian doesn't come on this forum or any other forum giving us full disclosure and then also asking our specific desires unless he knows it will matter to a great degree. If such a small percentage of people care about editing, then in no way does Ian (the lead developer of Madden) hit up forums as such.

That right there is some mad respect and knowing that your audience determines your project's worth. It also proves how much editing matters because they knew to address it massively per such forums and then addressed it in the game.

[ABR173rd]

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Its a huge issue on this website. because we are hardcore Madden players. But most people are not. Dont get blinded to the fact that this website has a few thousand fans...but millions of people buy this game. And to most of them, it is a game...not a way of life.

I wanted to touch on this statement which is completely untrue. I have a couple buddy's I work with whom I have never played Madden against. All of them play online as well as offline franchise just as much as I do. None of them go onto any forums or websites regarding Madden. Yet all of them can and have pointed out all of the same flaws that you would see on a board like this.

As a matter of fact, one of the guys will not be purchasing M13 due to the last three series and Madden in his eyes basically becoming stale. I spent over an hour after the CCM and E3 presentation all of which he was unaware of, trying to convince him that M13 was a must buy this year explaining all the new features. Long story short he wasn't convinced and all of his reasons for bypassing M13 are all similar to what you've read on any internet forum.

I would even go as far as to say some of the top online player's (cheeser or not) do not all belong to any forum's or follow Madden as closely as some of us. That doesn't mean they don't have the same gripes/compliments that we do regarding the game.

Difference between us and them is going to be release day when they figure out after their purchase some of their favorite features are missing.

[TreFacTor]

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I wanted to touch on this statement which is completely untrue. I have a couple buddy's I work with whom I have never played Madden against. All of them play online as well as offline franchise just as much as I do. None of them go onto any forums or websites regarding Madden. Yet all of them can and have pointed out all of the same flaws that you would see on a board like this.

As a matter of fact, one of the guys will not be purchasing M13 due to the last three series and Madden in his eyes basically becoming stale. I spent over an hour after the CCM and E3 presentation all of which he was unaware of, trying to convince him that M13 was a must buy this year explaining all the new features. Long story short he wasn't convinced and all of his reasons for bypassing M13 are all similar to what you've read on any internet forum.

I would even go as far as to say some of the top online player's (cheeser or not) do not all belong to any forum's or follow Madden as closely as some of us. That doesn't mean they don't have the same gripes/compliments that we do regarding the game.

Difference between us and them is going to be release day when they figure out after their purchase some of their favorite features are missing.

I agree, no one I know who plays madden comes to the internet for information regarding the game. Most of them get info word of mouth, and it's usually the wrong information. My nephew is a perfect example of this. He doesn't do his homework on any purchase that is less that $100....NOTHING. He was excited about Madden after only hearing about the infinity engine. After I gave him the down low, he was almost in tears. But he is also the type that will go out and buy the game day one, and then permanently give it to me the next day (it's been this way since madden 10) good for me, bad for him. I would go so far as to say that he epitomizes the average Madden purchaser. Could we see record numbers of returns in Madden 13's first week of release? Possibly, or those same people that don't know about the missing features will simply not care or are so accustomed to things being removed that they deal with it and vow not to purchase next year. Yeah, my nephew always says he's gonna wait till the first patch, but he never does.

[malky]

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Wow! A hundred pages on such a "little thing" imagine that? Lol

[Aftershock9958]

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Wow! A hundred pages on such a "little thing" imagine that? Lol

Considering it's a lot of back and forth with the same points by the same people, along with a lot of random topics being corralled into about 5, I don't think the size of the thread means anything.