Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

[kehlis]

A lot of the back and forth is generated by the particularly negative posters who are so incensed by a few things being left out, that it's almost like they say to themselves, "screw it, let's just verbally tear this whole thing down." Just as 87birdman said, "Discussions should incorporate both sides, but it seems like everything is directed back towards the negative like the positive doesn't even exist, and that is wrong. Because then it isn't a discussion it is complaining and whineing."

If the focus was kept on those particular things I don't think anyone would be pushing back, but there's just too many people who are pretending there's not a single step forward and the entire edition of Madden is one huge leap backwards. DNMHIII is a great example of someone who keeps it in perspective - he is pretty unhappy with some of the issues but doesn't hesitate to praise the good things, where certain others just want to pretend that good doesn't exist.

After about day four, civility and cool-headedness were lost among a lot of the OS posters.

The problem is when people make claims like you just did with this post.

You're happy with things which is great but you have to accept that there are things that were taken away from people that they have used their entire madden career that isn't going to leave them happy.

I agree that the discussion should be two sided but that goes for people who are happy with the game as well.

The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to see eye to eye. Why do we keep trying to force that on others?

Does it really anger you to see others not happy with the changes that much?

[Errors Occurred]

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It doesn't matter to me anymore because no matter what we say I don't believe it will be in Madden 13 because of the word (Time) but what will make me leave madden alone like I did a few other games I liked even more so is if next year they say (We have a new thing added to madden this year now you can edit your players live NEVER BEFORE now the user can do whatever he likes and however he likes it) ...But that's next year I guess I will rent it this year to see if I'm going to buy first and that will be the first time in my life that I rent madden and not buy day 1.

[cuttingteeth]

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Yeah, and anybody who is excited for Madden is an EA employee or lacky. It's the same back and forth that has been going on for days now and it's pretty old.

Where it got out of control was when the people who were upset that roster editing wasn't in tried to derail other threads and bring every issue back to the lack or roster edit ability. Along with that came the outrageous exaggerations of what would happen as a result of not having that roster edit ability.

GameChangers: Madden 13 Connected Careers Player Editing

Go there and vote if you haven't already. It's only at 85 votes right now and is currently behind the likes of online head-to-head practice, player specific crowd support, and interactive sidelines. Spread the word and show EA it's the big deal that you believe it is.

See...everything about your post is pretentious. That's how you and many others are trying to force your assumptions to "good as gold" status and spot on. That's exactly what p*sses everyone else off. I don't care what factual information you actually used, you still don't use it the right way.

If you want people to stop all of the defensive posts while still trying to make our case...then quit being offensive.

[roadman]

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The problem is when people make claims like you just did with this post.

You're happy with things which is great but you have to accept that there are things that were taken away from people that they have used their entire madden career that isn't going to leave them happy.

I agree that the discussion should be two sided but that goes for people who are happy with the game as well.

The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to see eye to eye. Why do we keep trying to force that on others?

Does it really anger you to see others not happy with the changes that much?

Actually, there are some posters, who, like myself, have never tried the features that are missing in 13, but, some of us do fully support people that are without those features.

If something that I used in Madden was taken away, I'd be kicking and hollering and screaming too, but for how long? It's been three weeks since we've been notified those features didn't make the cut for 13. I feel both sides should cease the back and forth , the ball is in EA's court.

I don't mind expressing anger and telling EA how you feel. They've been bombarded with Twitter and other Madden forums for three weeks They would have to be naive if they haven't noticed all the negativity and noise throughout the internet.

My advice to all the folks that the the features missing doesn't affect them, take the higher road and don't respond. So far, that's worked for me. If people want to continue bashing EA for the decisions they made and it makes them feel better, that's on them.

Taking the higher road means you won't be called out for being offensive or defensive.

[Aftershock9958]

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The problem is when people make claims like you just did with this post.

You're happy with things which is great but you have to accept that there are things that were taken away from people that they have used their entire madden career that isn't going to leave them happy.

I agree that the discussion should be two sided but that goes for people who are happy with the game as well.

The fact of the matter is not everyone is going to see eye to eye. Why do we keep trying to force that on others?

Does it really anger you to see others not happy with the changes that much?

For one, I'm not making a claim. It's easy to see. Deuce nailed it - I can't tell you how many times my valid points have been met with something similar to "EA employee or lacky".

And two, the rest of your post doesn't even apply. I accept that there are those who won't be happy, I'm not trying to force my viewpoint on others, and I'm not angry about anyone's opinion on the game. My post didn't display anything like that.

[DorianDonP]

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Actually, there are some posters, who, like myself, have never tried the features that are missing in 13, but, some of us do fully support people that are without those features.

If something that I used in Madden was taken away, I'd be kicking and hollering and screaming too, but for how long? It's been three weeks since we've been notified those features didn't make the cut for 13. I feel both sides should cease the back and forth , the ball is in EA's court.

I don't mind expressing anger and telling EA how you feel. They've been bombarded with Twitter and other Madden forums for three weeks They would have to be naive if they haven't noticed all the negativity and noise throughout the internet.

My advice to all the folks that the the features missing doesn't affect them, take the higher road and don't respond. So far, that's worked for me. If people want to continue bashing EA for the decisions they made and it makes them feel better, that's on them.

Taking the higher road means you won't be called out for being offensive or defensive.

I disagree with ceasing to voice displeasure. If EA continues to get the displeasure of the fans, maybe they'll make it a priority to somehow patch these things in for 13.

If they got 3 weeks of anger and then it disappeared before the game was released, then they might take it as everyone has 'gotten over it'.

[roadman]

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I disagree with ceasing to voice displeasure. If EA continues to get the displeasure of the fans, maybe they'll make it a priority to somehow patch these things in for 13.

If they got 3 weeks of anger and then it disappeared before the game was released, then they might take it as everyone has 'gotten over it'.

I've already heard they are trying to get editing back in the game. Plus, they probably already knew about the flak they would receive before the news was released,

Even if the noise ends, I doubt EA would think people are over it.

All I'm saying is, ball is in EA's court.

[bpac55]

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trying to get it back in the game for this year?? where did you hear that? if they did that it is a definite buy if not...well then i wont

[pinksheets]

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My biggest beef is that I just don't think Donny Moore does a good job at rating players. The ratings are reactionary, arbitrary, and in some cases, make it apparent he has barely, if ever, watched the player play.

I can't deal with him being in total control of my game experience, unless he turns it around significantly.

[roadman]

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trying to get it back in the game for this year?? where did you hear that? if they did that it is a definite buy if not...well then i wont

Around these forums, somewhere.

[DNMHIII]

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My biggest beef is that I just don't think Donny Moore does a good job at rating players. The ratings are reactionary, arbitrary, and in some cases, make it apparent he has barely, if ever, watched the player play.

I can't deal with him being in total control of my game experience, unless he turns it around significantly.

I completely agree with this. In addition, who cares what Donny Moore thinks in the first place! I mean really, we've always been able to edit a roster outside of franchise and then start a franchise and it should be no different with CCM.

Edit: I'm not trying to rip on Donny Moore at all, I'm just pointing out that we all shouldn't be forced to live with his opinions thats all.

[DeuceDouglas]

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See...everything about your post is pretentious. That's how you and many others are trying to force your assumptions to "good as gold" status and spot on. That's exactly what p*sses everyone else off. I don't care what factual information you actually used, you still don't use it the right way.

If you want people to stop all of the defensive posts while still trying to make our case...then quit being offensive.

If you want to see offensive, go and look at some of the tweets Josh Looman has gotten over the past few weeks from people upset over this issue.

While the vast majority of people are completely civil there are always people from both sides that feel the need to attack the other for no reason. Whether it's the whole "This isn't a big deal, stop crying" or "You must be an EA employee the way you defend them" it's the same thing and both sides are guilty of it.

Nobody has to be silent when it comes to the issue but attacking either side because they don't agree with you doesn't do anything to help the issue and just continues the back and forth that we want to to be rid of.

[DNMHIII]

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If you want to see offensive, go and look at some of the tweets Josh Looman has gotten over the past few weeks from people upset over this issue.

While the vast majority of people are completely civil there are always people from both sides that feel the need to attack the other for no reason. Whether it's the whole "This isn't a big deal, stop crying" or "You must be an EA employee the way you defend them" it's the same thing and both sides are guilty of it.

Nobody has to be silent when it comes to the issue but attacking either side because they don't agree with you doesn't do anything to help the issue and just continues the back and forth that we want to to be rid of.

I can understand people being upset with features being removed, but I've never understood why people defend EA when they remove features or screw stuff up. its always seemed odd to me that people would bend over backwards to defend EA and that defense of EA in turn seems to really infuriate people that are trying to voice their frustration.....lol

[DeuceDouglas]

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I can understand people being upset with features being removed, but I've never understood why people defend EA when they remove features or screw stuff up. its always seemed odd to me that people would bend over backwards to defend EA and that defense of EA in turn seems to really infuriate people that are trying to voice their frustration.....lol

Because, to them, maybe they're not affected or don't believe that they've screwed things up. I don't agree at all with the fact that they took player editing out, but I can understand and agree that in the grand scheme of everything going on it wasn't something huge. With that being said, to other people it absolutely is huge which is why there are infuriated people out there.

Everyone has a different priority list and opinions on the importance of those priorities. With that much disparity it's going to be impossible for everyone to see eye-to-eye and when people don't respect that fact is where the problem tends to lie.

[DNMHIII]

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Because, to them, maybe they're not affected or don't believe that they've screwed things up. I don't agree at all with the fact that they took player editing out, but I can understand and agree that in the grand scheme of everything going on it wasn't something huge. With that being said, to other people it absolutely is huge which is why there are infuriated people out there.

Everyone has a different priority list and opinions on the importance of those priorities. With that much disparity it's going to be impossible for everyone to see eye-to-eye and when people don't respect that fact is where the problem tends to lie.

Roger that.....If they're not affected they probably don't understand though and when they defend EA its frustrating for some people. For example; I wouldn't expect someone that does play now by themselves at home or an online guy that only likes to jump on and play against friends/randoms to understand why people would be upset about custom playebooks and editing not being available because both those users don't use the game the same way others do. Removing the features they've removed was a major screw up, but I'm talking about other things outside of even 13 where people defend EA for stuff like KISS shoulder pads on NCAA imported players for example.

I'm not saying everyone should agree, I'm just surprised at how much support EA gets from some people even when they drop the ball.