The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

[Big FN Deal]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

Didn't Ian once say that they would have to sacrifice on the field graphics to make sideline graphics better? Then again he also said it wasn't possible to use physics in Madden so...

This where my lack of programming knowledge still does not override me expressing my common sense. Someone with programming knowledge please correct me where I go wrong though. There is somewhere I have read where Ian pretty much said, APF/NFL2k5 was able to have interactive and improved sidelines by sacrificing some of the visual/graphical detail on the field. The way I understand that, considering I hear and have seen Youtube videos where APF still performs well on the field, is they could upgrade the sidelines without losing on field performance in Madden but the graphical detail on the field would diminish. OK, diminish it then! lol

I think that's the ONE area few people would dispute that is on par if not better than other current next-gen sports games. Meaning, that's the one area most people could tolerate being stagnate or maybe taking a few steps back IF that meant bringing the sideline to life. From that POV, this becomes another instance where it seems priorities for Madden are off, imo. Graphics (not meaning player models Only1LT, lol) seem to improve on some level every year, so if I understand Ian correctly, I think a majority would take M10's on-field graphical detail to achieve "living" sidelines in M14 or something to that effect.

Now someone that knows better please correct me on where I am off base and why upgraded sidelines should diminish on field game play in Madden, not just graphically, even though with upgraded sidelines APF on Xbox 360 still seems to perform solid on the field. However, if the answer is somehow potentially tied into a unique way someone(s) at EA/Tiburon decided to program next-gen Madden, that won't allow them do something that's potentially routine for other games but likely far more complicated in next-gen Madden, like in-game saves are apparently, then "it is what it is" but I think Ian should have just stated that instead.

[mrprice33]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

This where my lack of programming knowledge still does not override me expressing my common sense. Someone with programming knowledge please correct me where I go wrong though. There is somewhere I have read where Ian pretty much said, APF/NFL2k5 was able to have interactive and improved sidelines by sacrificing some of the visual/graphical detail on the field. The way I understand that, considering I hear and have seen Youtube videos where APF still performs well on the field, is they could upgrade the sidelines without losing on field performance in Madden but the graphical detail on the field would diminish. OK, diminish it then! lol

I think that's the ONE area few people would dispute that is on par if not better than other current next-gen sports games. Meaning, that's the one area most people could tolerate being stagnate or maybe taking a few steps back IF that meant bringing the sideline to life. From that POV, this becomes another instance where it seems priorities for Madden are off, imo. Graphics (not meaning player models Only1LT, lol) seem to improve on some level every year, so if I understand Ian correctly, I think a majority would take M10's on-field graphical detail to achieve "living" sidelines in M14 or something to that effect.

Now someone that knows better please correct me on where I am off base and why upgraded sidelines should diminish on field game play in Madden, not just graphically, even though with upgraded sidelines APF on Xbox 360 still seems to perform solid on the field. However, if the answer is somehow potentially tied into a unique way someone(s) at EA/Tiburon decided to program next-gen Madden, that won't allow them do something that's potentially routine for other games but likely far more complicated in next-gen Madden, like in-game saves are apparently, then "it is what it is" but I think Ian should have just stated that instead.

I don't feel as though any sacrifices should be made to the on-field product, both in terms of look and play. If interactive sidelines meant reducing the graphical fidelity to something like a slightly better APF, then I'd be against that 100%. If it meant losing AI routines or the infinity engine, then I'd be against that, as well. The periphery of the game on the field is just that...

[bucky60]

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You are incorrect. Madden pretty much uses the entire disk on a 360 which unfortunately lower disk spaced system. Things are already compressed heavily to fit on there as it is. That's why you start to lose textures and animation accuracy. That's a general programming fact throughout the industry at this point. Once again textures, playbooks, and audio/commentary take up a huge amount of space.

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[Big FN Deal]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

I don't feel as though any sacrifices should be made to the on-field product, both in terms of look and play. If interactive sidelines meant reducing the graphical fidelity to something like a slightly better APF, then I'd be against that 100%. If it meant losing AI routines or the infinity engine, then I'd be against that, as well. The periphery of the game on the field is just that...

I respect that but I disagree, no problem though. However, as someone that seems to have more programming knowledge than I, you do agree that it could be simply a matter of them agreeing with you about not sacrificing on-field visuals in exchange for upgraded sidelines?

What does anyone else think of this. Would you be willing to sacrifice on-field visuals like HD detail other high resolution graphics for "living" sidelines or not?

[bucky60]

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because xbox has 512mb unified ram while the ps3 has 256mb ram for the system and 256mb for the video, also the 360 has tiny amount of extra edram on the chip as well

This is why consoles suck and pc's are much better. Not trolling. This is just fact. Because of Red Dead Redemption coming out only on consoles, I had to finally break down and get one. I have 8GB on my PC, quad core, and it wasn't even that expensive.

[mrprice33]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

I respect that but I disagree, no problem though. However, as someone that seems to have more programming knowledge than I, you do agree that it could be simply a matter of them agreeing with you about not sacrificing on-field visuals in exchange for upgraded sidelines?

What does anyone else think of this. Would you be willing to sacrifice on-field visuals like HD detail other high resolution graphics for "living" sidelines or not?

Yes.

I also think that a majority of the userbase of Madden would be really upset if the game suddenly looked worse in exchange for living sidelines.

[mrprice33]

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This is why consoles suck and pc's are much better. Not trolling. This is just fact. Because of Red Dead Redemption coming out only on consoles, I had to finally break down and get one. I have 8GB on my PC, quad core, and it wasn't even that expensive.

You do realize that those 8gb of RAM in your PC are far less important than the VRAM on your video card, right?

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

Yes.

I also think that a majority of the userbase of Madden would be really upset if the game suddenly looked worse in exchange for living sidelines.

mrpice33 I think your the man who can answer this for me .

Im not a programmer or do I have knowledge of the process, so please bare with me on this question. Im just curious.

If they were to dumb down the graphics, could that sacrafice improve the performance of the animations?

[bucky60]

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You do realize that those 8gb of RAM in your PC are far less important than the VRAM on your video card, right?

I have a fairly inexpensive video card with 4GB. Still kicks the consoles behind. And yes I am aware. I've been a software designer since the early 80's, always build my own PC's and build the Servers our company sells our software product with. PC's still kick consoles butts.

[mrprice33]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

mrpice33 I think your the man who can answer this for me .

Im not a programmer or do I have knowledge of the process, so please bare with me on this question. Im just curious.

If they were to dumb down the graphics, could that sacrafice improve the performance of the animations?

It depends on what you consider to be the problem with the animations. If you don't feel that there are enough animations, then maybe. If you feel that the animations are choppy and don't flow well together, then maybe not.

I understand system architecture more than I understand the actual coding process. There could be something with their renderer that affects the quality of the animations, or there could just be animations that aren't stitched together properly. It's hard to say.

[mrprice33]

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I have a fairly inexpensive video card with 4GB. Still kicks the consoles behind. And yes I am aware. I've been a software designer since the early 80's, always build my own PC's and build the Servers our company sells our software product with. PC's still kick consoles butts.

Oh really?

Make, model, price, please?

[Big FN Deal]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

Yes.

I also think that a majority of the userbase of Madden would be really upset if the game suddenly looked worse in exchange for living sidelines.

Again I disagree because we don't no how much "worse" it would look and I think that's the key. Living sidelines and M06 graphics, I agree would upset the user base but living sidelines with M10-M11 graphics, I think there would be far less users upset with that tradeoff.

[bucky60]

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Oh really?

Make, model, price, please?

I did a dxdiag to get the info from in the other post. I did it again.

This is straight off the dxdiag
GeForce GT 220 4050 MB.

I don't remember the price.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: The community wants better sideline models in Madden vote for it here

Again I disagree because we don't no how much "worse" it would look and I think that's the key. Living sidelines and M06 graphics, I agree would upset the user base but living sidelines with M10-M11 graphics, I think there would be far less users upset with that tradeoff.

I guess if you go with a living sideline. We are talking animations, logic, and physics. It may take a big hit on the field and player graphics, maybe to big of a hit for some.

Me personally I have no problems with that a hit on graphics, if I can get better animations and a living sideline for those that want it.

[mrprice33]

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I did a dxdiag to get the info from in the other post. I did it again.

This is straight off the dxdiag
GeForce GT 220 4050 MB.

I don't remember the price.

Well hey, good to research and learn something new every day. That card has a high VRAM, to be sure, but the combination of speed and bandwidth makes it a pretty terrible card. Probably not more powerful than the graphics the 360 can push, despite being 3 to 4 years younger.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gt-220-review-test/1

this relates to the 512 mb version, but the thought process remains the same.

Which games do you play using this card, and at what settings? The benchmarks for Diablo 3 list it as being one that should be played on the lowest setting. That's integrated-gpu level graphic power.