Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Quarterback with the Highest Awareness Rating

[TeamBuilder]

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I know it's cool to hate Brady now, but he deserves this if nothing else.

Why would he deserve it? When you have illegal tapes of other teams it's much easier to carve up a defense... :wink:

[Champion8877]

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Drew Brees.

[Champion8877]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Ratings - Vote For the Quarterback with the Highest Awareness Ratin

Why would he deserve it? When you have illegal tapes of other teams it's much easier to carve up a defense... :wink:

I hate Brady as much as the next guy, but that was just an unnecessary shot with nothing to do with anything.

[StrawHat Patriot]

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If Tom Brady doesn't win this I don't think he will win anything.

The problem with the statistics that you guys have been using in these recent threads or even any statistic in general is that they don't capture the circumstance well enough.

For example, saying Brady's season was overrated last year because he didn't throw +20 yards as much as Aaron Rodgers is actually a flawed statistic because Brady didn't have a deep threat receiver, an the offense he was in wasn't very deep pass friendly. That's one way that statistic is flawed.

But before I really close out on what I'm saying, can someone better explain the awareness rating in general?

[codyj123_321]

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I don't know what drugs you guys are on, but Peyton has only been sacked 231 times in his career!
Brady - 276 (few years less than Peyton)
Brees - 208 (few years less than Peyton)

Sacked % over career.
Peyton Manning - 3.1
Tom Brady - 4.9
Drew Brees - 3.7
and Peyton has been in the league longer than both.

Interception %
Peyton Manning - 2.7
Tom Brady - 2.2
Drew Brees - 2.7
Brady has the slight edge over Manning in this but has also been in the league a few years less.

Game winning drives.
Peyton Manning - 46
Tom Brady - 35
Drew Brees - 29

All of these things take a huge amount of awareness in the pocket and Manning has been the best. So i don't see a debate that can be made, this goes to the GOAT himself, Peyton Manning.

I rest my case.

[StrawHat Patriot]

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I don't know what drugs you guys are on, but Peyton has only been sacked 231 times in his career!
Brady - 276 (few years less than Peyton)
Brees - 208 (few years less than Peyton)

Sacked % over career.
Peyton Manning - 3.1
Tom Brady - 4.9
Drew Brees - 3.7
and Peyton has been in the league longer than both.

Interception %
Peyton Manning - 2.7
Tom Brady - 2.2
Drew Brees - 2.7
Brady has the slight edge over Manning in this but has also been in the league a few years less.

Game winning drives.
Peyton Manning - 46
Tom Brady - 35
Drew Brees - 29

All of these things take a huge amount of awareness in the pocket and Manning has been the best. So i don't see a debate that can be made, this goes to the GOAT himself, Peyton Manning.

I rest my case.

Look at my POST EARLIER where I explain that stats alone aren't a good enough way to judge a player because the CIRCUMSTANCE. Who has the better o-line? Who has the better receivers? What type of skill set do the receivers have? Are they tall? How many times have they passed the ball?

[codyj123_321]

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Look at my POST EARLIER where I explain that stats alone aren't a good enough way to judge a player because the CIRCUMSTANCE. Who has the better o-line? Who has the better receivers? What type of skill set do the receivers have? Are they tall? How many times have they passed the ball?

Yes, stats are good enough. That's what the sport is measured on dude. I think Brady's patriots have been far more superior in talent. Take Brady away and they still won 11 games, take Peyton away colts won 2. Now whose the better team again?

[StrawHat Patriot]

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Yes, stats are good enough. That's what the sport is measured on dude. I think Brady's patriots have been far more superior in talent. Take Brady away and they still won 11 games, take Peyton away colts won 2. Now whose the better team again?

Again, realize circumstance. The Colts made sure they secured the #1 overall pick so they made sure they didn't much games at all. Also, they were starting Curtis Painter and Kerry Colins, notice when they bring in Orlovsky, they won 2 out of their last couple of games if I'm not mistaken.

The 11-5 year was a result of Cassel losing to every good team (5) that Brady beat. That 11-5 year would've been a 16-0 year given a pretty easy schedule they received that year. Plus, Brady has only had some 4-5 years good receiving talent, 2-3 years of consistent rushing talent, and has had bad defenses the last couple of years. Peyton has had a couple thousand yard rushers if I'm not mistaken, good receiving talent, and at least 5 years of a Top 5 defense. But this isn't the point.

But the point of this post isn't to say which QB is better, is to say they using a select few statistics to determine a certain QB's skill (in this case, awareness) is inaccurate.

[A_New_Classic]

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Honestly out of Brady, Brees, and Manning I don't think anyone could make a solid argument against any of them. 3-way tie IMO. All are Elite at pre-snap, against pressure, reading coverages, and pocket presence. Too hard to justify one being better than the other at these things because there isn't a wealth of hard evidence.

[codyj123_321]

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Again, realize circumstance. The Colts made sure they secured the #1 overall pick so they made sure they didn't much games at all. Also, they were starting Curtis Painter and Kerry Colins, notice when they bring in Orlovsky, they won 2 out of their last couple of games if I'm not mistaken.

The 11-5 year was a result of Cassel losing to every good team (5) that Brady beat. That 11-5 year would've been a 16-0 year given a pretty easy schedule they received that year. Plus, Brady has only had some 4-5 years good receiving talent, 2-3 years of consistent rushing talent, and has had bad defenses the last couple of years. Peyton has had a couple thousand yard rushers if I'm not mistaken, good receiving talent, and at least 5 years of a Top 5 defense. But this isn't the point.

But the point of this post isn't to say which QB is better, is to say they using a select few statistics to determine a certain QB's skill (in this case, awareness) is inaccurate.

NFL analyst and experts praise Manning and rave over what he does in that pocket. He is the perfect example of a surgeon general. He is the most aware QB i have ever seen and the stat's i posted have backed all of this up. Brady is elite, yes, and a sure fire HOF'er, but If were being realistic nobody can touch Manning on awareness. Since this is "Who is the most aware QB" I will only touch on that. I could debate with you all day about Brady vs. Manning but we'll save that for another day haha

[brettmickey]

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Considering all three of the players have elite and even hall of fame awareness at their position, this is no easy task. I will give the slight edge to Manning though.

[bmj2k7]

Considering Brady is nearing a 3 to 1 TD to INT ratio, and the 2 highest TD to INT ratio seasons, with small WRs, no D to speak of but improving and no running game i say Brady. Manning had at 1 point 2 potential HOF WRs, a potential HOF RB, a top OL, and the best 1 2 pass rushing tandem in the league, and Brees has more weapons than pretty much any HOFer out there and had playmaking RBs and since hes been there he had the 2 best Gs in all of football, the best LG and RG in the league with tall WRs. Bradys OL someway changes every year lately with injuries and retiring players.

[Wildcats302]

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I voted for Manning. All 3 will be close, you could have Manning with like a high 90s score like 97 than Brady with 96 and Brees with 95-96 so big deal regardless. I just cannot vote for Brady over Manning.

[JerzeyReign]

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Spoiler

Just to add to the discussion -- I'm not sure how EA calculates it, but I would think that awareness for a QB would be a combination of pocket presence, ability to diagnose and beat pressure, and protecting the football.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/31/pressure-and-the-2011-quarterbacks/

PFF has the pressure state broken down by categories, then by an overall grade for 2011:

TOP 3 QBs Avoiding Sacks
Eli Manning
Michael Vick
Drew Brees

TD to INT ratio under pressure
Aaron Rodgers 4:0
Andy Dalton 4:0
Sam Bradford 2:0

^now this one is kind of a funny result, but I can see how they got there because int's are so weighted. These three graded out highest because they they zero INTs. Here's the next three on that list.

Tom Brady - 8:2
Drew Brees - 10:3
Ben Roethlisberger - 6:2

Completion % Under Pressure
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler

Highest Overall Grade Against Pressure
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Cam Newton

next two were
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady

Now I'm surprised to see Cam graded out so high, but it had more to do with him seeing more overall pressure than Rodgers and Brady. Both best Cam in TD/INT ratio, but Cam did have a higher comp % under pressure than Rodgers and was sacked less than either, which ties into the forumla. Not sure I totally buy it, but it's something to think about. Maybe EA should tick up Cam's awareness a bit.

I'm glad I scrolled down to see this because this is the information I thought of when I initially read the OP. Now I'm confused on what AWR actually controls in Madden.

[TeamBuilder]

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I hate Brady as much as the next guy, but that was just an unnecessary shot with nothing to do with anything.

You don't think having the tape of another team's defense would help a quarterback become more AWARE of what is going to happen?