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  • btemp
    Rookie
    • Mar 2010
    • 160

    #226
    Re: Madden NFL 13 Review (PS3/360)

    Originally posted by BWHORN
    That's true. What's difficult to figure out is how they got such great reviews. 8.5 from Operation Sports? "This is the best Madden ever"???
    1) Many people who review Madden (see IGN, Gamespot, etc.) are not Madden players. They maybe play Madden a few times with friends or for the review. It's not the equivalent of reviewing a game, say like Mass Effect 3, where the review is based upon hours and hours of play in which the game is "beaten" at least once.

    Even people who are frequent Madden players are only reviewing Madden after a few hours/days of play. Many of Madden's problems come out after a week, too quickly for many of the real problems to come out. See Operation Sport's review of NCAA 12 (http://www.operationsports.com/revie...all-12-review/) which received an 8.5 even though it was so broken as to be flat-out unplayable for many.

    1a) Some review sites actually farm out some of their reviews to other people on the cheap. So they'll pay some person on the internet say $40 (fictional number) to write a review of a game. This of course does not stop them from putting their name on the review.

    2) Reviewers often have different goals and interests. First, they're looking at the game differently than a player. A great example of this is reviews of Diablo 3 which stated they were ignoring the log-in problems players were having because they can't review that. Well, as a player log-in problems have a huge impact on my ability to enjoy the game but many reviewers don't take that stance. I suppose in trying to be "objective" they remove themselves too far from a player's viewpoint (who the review is for). Second, reviewers are individuals who hold unique viewpoints. I play Madden only for franchise, so reviewers who weren't as invested in franchise won't capture the parts of Madden that are important to me (and related problems).

    3) Review sites are often, intentionally or not, in the pockets of the companies they review. Because so much of the information and perks they receive is dependent on these companies, they will often , again intentionally or not, kowtow to these companies. A great example of this again is Diablo 3 (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii) which saw high consumer dissatisfaction coupled with incredibly high reviews. This is not to say that this is always or even often the case but that it is a factor to keep in mind.

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    • assclown25
      Banned
      • Mar 2009
      • 314

      #227
      wow! just when i didnt think it could get worse it does- just spent 3hrs editing and updating my roster to only find out i cant use it in my CCM Mode! EA what the hell have you done here? I paid 60 bucks for this crap? and i heard you also got rid of Franchise Mode for NHL 13- how the hell can you guys continue to regress????????????

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      • BWHORN
        Banned
        • Sep 2009
        • 46

        #228
        Originally posted by btemp
        1) Many people who review Madden (see IGN, Gamespot, etc.) are not Madden players. They maybe play Madden a few times with friends or for the review. It's not the equivalent of reviewing a game, say like Mass Effect 3, where the review is based upon hours and hours of play in which the game is "beaten" at least once.

        Even people who are frequent Madden players are only reviewing Madden after a few hours/days of play. Many of Madden's problems come out after a week, too quickly for many of the real problems to come out. See Operation Sport's review of NCAA 12 (http://www.operationsports.com/revie...all-12-review/) which received an 8.5 even though it was so broken as to be flat-out unplayable for many.

        1a) Some review sites actually farm out some of their reviews to other people on the cheap. So they'll pay some person on the internet say $40 (fictional number) to write a review of a game. This of course does not stop them from putting their name on the review.

        2) Reviewers often have different goals and interests. First, they're looking at the game differently than a player. A great example of this is reviews of Diablo 3 which stated they were ignoring the log-in problems players were having because they can't review that. Well, as a player log-in problems have a huge impact on my ability to enjoy the game but many reviewers don't take that stance. I suppose in trying to be "objective" they remove themselves too far from a player's viewpoint (who the review is for). Second, reviewers are individuals who hold unique viewpoints. I play Madden only for franchise, so reviewers who weren't as invested in franchise won't capture the parts of Madden that are important to me (and related problems).

        3) Review sites are often, intentionally or not, in the pockets of the companies they review. Because so much of the information and perks they receive is dependent on these companies, they will often , again intentionally or not, kowtow to these companies. A great example of this again is Diablo 3 (http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii) which saw high consumer dissatisfaction coupled with incredibly high reviews. This is not to say that this is always or even often the case but that it is a factor to keep in mind.
        Yeah, but Operation Sports is all about the franchise mode.

        How did you get this so wrong?

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        • Bgamer90
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 1919

          #229
          Re: Madden NFL 13 Review (PS3/360)

          Originally posted by daniel77733
          I agree in regards to 2K8 but 2K5??? Yeah right.

          Metacritic
          Xbox 92/100 average

          42 critics...all positives, no mixed or negative reviews. Includes a perfect 100 rating by this very site.

          PS2 90/100
          37 critics...again, all postives, no mixed or negative reviews.

          EA/Tiburon/Madden fans may be sick of seeing, hearing and reading about Madden being compared to 2K5 every year but Madden will always be compared to 2K5 because 2K5 is the game that forced EA to buyout everything and challenge nothing. Eight years and a console generation later, EA/Tiburon still cant match let alone surpass 2K5. EA/Tiburon cant even match or surpass 2K5 despite the fact that its been gone for eight years. Hell, if EA/Tiburon cant even surpass 2K5 or currently, its spirit, EA better pay up for that exclusive license because if they dont and if 2K sports gets the NFL license (exclusive or not) 2K15 is going to crush them just like they did a decade earlier.

          Quite simply, ESPN NFL 2K5 will never ever be surpassed unless its by Visual Concepts and 2K sports themselves. Its just not going to happen because quite simply, if it was, it would have already. And for those who know about FlyingFinn's 2K5 editor, he did more with 2K5 than EA/Tiburon have done in eight years.

          Sad, so sad.
          Comparing metacritic ratings like that is very flawed. A game from 8 years ago wouldn't get the same review scores if it released today.

          People have said that Madden 13 is better than 2005 (calling Madden 13 the "best Madden ever") yet Madden 2005 has a better metacritic rating (Madden 2005 has a 91% while Madden 13 currently has an 82%).

          Heck, I guess there's no better game than Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 then. The game has a metacritic rating of a 97.

          Why can't devs make a game that's better than a skateboarding game that came out in 2001?
          Last edited by Bgamer90; 09-02-2012, 07:20 PM.
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          • comen
            Banned
            • Jun 2012
            • 90

            #230
            Originally posted by Bgamer90
            Comparing metacritic ratings like that is very flawed. A game from 8 years ago wouldn't get the same review scores if it released today.

            People have said that Madden 13 is better than 2005 (calling Madden 13 the "best Madden ever") yet Madden 2005 has a better metacritic rating (Madden 2005 has a 91% while Madden 13 currently has an 82%).

            Heck, I guess there's no better game than Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 then. The game has a metacritic rating of a 97.

            Why can't devs make a game that's better than a skateboarding game that came out in 2001?
            They cant make a better game than tony hawk or whatever! Its been 8 long and sad years for nfl football video game guys!!!!!!!!! Its like a drug tho and thats why people keep buying because they love some nfl football! You take what you can get because thats better than being sick for months on end! If we could all just get some rehab and live without it then we would see better days, but sadly to report, madden will never get to the pinnacle of football video gaming!! Either someone has to step in or we are all doomed!! Heck its 2012, we could be gonners in a few months lol! My point is, its been too long and its time for a CHANGE!!

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            • comen
              Banned
              • Jun 2012
              • 90

              #231
              I give this game a 5.0 rating and the reason it is so high is because, it has NFL players in it (durr)... If this game did not have the NFL attached to it, then tecmo bowl could out sell it with the NFL players or atleast be close! The point is, that with the NFL license anything is possible! Its like, if you could only get water from one person on earth and everytime you went to buy water off this person, they spit in it? Would you still buy it? I would say yes you would because thats all you could get, so deal!! NFl football video gaming has been destroyed by these vampires and money is the blood!! This may sound dramatic but its true and my analogies are some what gross but still true! Gross is how I describe this game! Rating 5.0

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              • CalmLikeABomb
                Rookie
                • Mar 2009
                • 134

                #232
                Re: Madden NFL 13 Review (PS3/360)

                I don't understand why any poster can speak for all of us, and say that this is a terrible game. Okay you are all entitled to your opinion. Just please know that there are many of us, who are not delusional, who are having a lot of fun with Madden 13. I can say for the first time in many years, I am having fun playing a football game. Sure some things need to be worked on. That can be said of any video game in this current generation. This has become of the age of "the patch". Once again I will say, in my opinion I give this game overall a solid 9. To everyone who read through these posts know this, not everyone hates it. Many of us are having a blast playing it.

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                • Armor and Sword
                  The Lama
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 21780

                  #233
                  Re: Madden NFL 13 Review (PS3/360)

                  Gameplay wise in Play Now mode......I love this game on the field with the new engine and passing system. It is a ton of fun, and unpredictable.

                  I give gameplay a 8.5/10

                  Presentation 5/10 - impressions thread states my reasons.

                  CCM mode - I have yet to venture in. I play offline....nothing is right yet with progression and sliders and I want my Zoomed cam patched in for offline play, injury bugs, sim stat engine looks like a mess,....oh you all know the rest. Patches are needed...as usual.

                  I can't deny what I feel about it on the field in Play Now. The game plays really solid with a great slider set.

                  A full review will not happen till CCM is patched. Ultimately that mode decides If I keep this game or go begrudgingly go back to 12 to resume my year 3 Franchise. I am all about franchise mode in sports games (like 99% of all of you here).
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                  • BWHORN
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 46

                    #234
                    Originally posted by CalmLikeABomb
                    I don't understand why any poster can speak for all of us, and say that this is a terrible game. Okay you are all entitled to your opinion. Just please know that there are many of us, who are not delusional, who are having a lot of fun with Madden 13. I can say for the first time in many years, I am having fun playing a football game. Sure some things need to be worked on. That can be said of any video game in this current generation. This has become of the age of "the patch". Once again I will say, in my opinion I give this game overall a solid 9. To everyone who read through these posts know this, not everyone hates it. Many of us are having a blast playing it.
                    You are the one who is delusional. The user score is 6, and it's going down. Hell, I gave it a 6. And I hated it so much I took my PS3 to the Salvation Army. Which means that there are a lots and lots of people out there who REALLY hate this game. Not only that, but NCAA FOOTBALL 13 sucked hard. I spent $120 on two games that I deleted from my hard drive, and I will never do that again. The fact is that the "next gen" football games never came close to the previous versions. The graphics may have improved, but the gameplay did not. And the bugs simply multiplied. The "next gen" is a total loss for football games. My hatred of EA Sports will keep me warm this winter.

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                    • assclown25
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 314

                      #235
                      Agree with you 110% A&S- the 1st patch is due next week lets see what they fix, as ive said from the beginning if- and thats a big IF- they fix CCM Mode this could be a great game but as someone stated in an earlier post EA promised us last yr many patches to fix issues and they only came out with 2! Lets keep our fingers crossed!

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                      • bucky60
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3288

                        #236
                        Re: Madden NFL 13 Review (PS3/360)

                        Originally posted by assclown25
                        Agree with you 110% A&S- the 1st patch is due next week lets see what they fix, as ive said from the beginning if- and thats a big IF- they fix CCM Mode this could be a great game but as someone stated in an earlier post EA promised us last yr many patches to fix issues and they only came out with 2! Lets keep our fingers crossed!
                        Yeah, I would wait for the first patch before trying to evaluate CC entirely. We do know what's missing, but to fairly evaluate the entire game, it should be after the first patch.

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                        • BWHORN
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 46

                          #237
                          Originally posted by Armor & Sword
                          Gameplay wise in Play Now mode......I love this game on the field with the new engine and passing system. It is a ton of fun, and unpredictable.

                          I give gameplay a 8.5/10

                          Presentation 5/10 - impressions thread states my reasons.

                          CCM mode - I have yet to venture in. I play offline....nothing is right yet with progression and sliders and I want my Zoomed cam patched in for offline play, injury bugs, sim stat engine looks like a mess,....oh you all know the rest. Patches are needed...as usual.

                          I can't deny what I feel about it on the field in Play Now. The game plays really solid with a great slider set.

                          A full review will not happen till CCM is patched. Ultimately that mode decides If I keep this game or go begrudgingly go back to 12 to resume my year 3 Franchise. I am all about franchise mode in sports games (like 99% of all of you here).
                          Playing the Broncos. A pass to the flat. The receiver catches the ball, crouches like he is going to make a cut, and freezes. He stays that way for like 5 seconds. He should have run for a touchdown, because my defense completely disappeared. He had a giant green field in front of him. But he had a seisure instead.

                          My defense simply disappeared A LOT. It was like they just weren't on the field. The infinity engine!!! Infinite suckage. Guys tripping over each other. My offensive linemen falling flat on their faces because their calf touched someone else's calf.

                          I can go on and on, but it's time for me to move on with my life. I have wasted far too much of my life waiting for EA Sports to do something they will NEVER DO. If you are still waiting you are a FOOL.

                          You are enjoying the gameplay? That could mean several things. There were guys on the NCAA FOOTBALL 13 website who were bragging that they were beating good teams by 50 points using New Mexico. They thought the game was awesome. This guy was complaining that they had nerfed the no-huddle, which slowed him down. But in a thread about his game he said he threw for 600 yards on 56 passes. And he was using 5 MINUTE QUARTERS.

                          So I guess what he likes about the gameplay is NO CHALLEGE WHATSOEVER. Maybe he likes dancing with the mascot.

                          Some people love a game that makes them feel like a genius, regardless of how stupid they really are.

                          I just don't happen to be one of those people.

                          ARGH!!!!

                          I'M OUT!!!!

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                          • CRMosier_LM
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 2061

                            #238
                            Originally posted by btemp
                            "Tweaking" line play is the equivalent of doing nothing. Line play has been "tweaked" every year now since what, Madden 05? I don't count "tweaking" as doing something. And short of this review, every opinion I've read of OL/DL play has been negative (ie. same old problems).
                            So you are saying they did do something to it....

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                            Last edited by CRMosier_LM; 09-03-2012, 12:32 PM.

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                            • CRMosier_LM
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 2061

                              #239
                              Originally posted by daniel77733
                              I agree in regards to 2K8 but 2K5??? Yeah right.

                              Metacritic
                              Xbox 92/100 average

                              42 critics...all positives, no mixed or negative reviews. Includes a perfect 100 rating by this very site.

                              PS2 90/100
                              37 critics...again, all postives, no mixed or negative reviews.

                              EA/Tiburon/Madden fans may be sick of seeing, hearing and reading about Madden being compared to 2K5 every year but Madden will always be compared to 2K5 because 2K5 is the game that forced EA to buyout everything and challenge nothing. Eight years and a console generation later, EA/Tiburon still cant match let alone surpass 2K5. EA/Tiburon cant even match or surpass 2K5 despite the fact that its been gone for eight years. Hell, if EA/Tiburon cant even surpass 2K5 or currently, its spirit, EA better pay up for that exclusive license because if they dont and if 2K sports gets the NFL license (exclusive or not) 2K15 is going to crush them just like they did a decade earlier.

                              Quite simply, ESPN NFL 2K5 will never ever be surpassed unless its by Visual Concepts and 2K sports themselves. Its just not going to happen because quite simply, if it was, it would have already. And for those who know about FlyingFinn's 2K5 editor, he did more with 2K5 than EA/Tiburon have done in eight years.

                              Sad, so sad.
                              Are you high? 2k couldn't sell its way out of a shoe box and franchise mode was laughable. Congrats to the 3000 people that enjoyed it but they have had a chance to make a good complete game since then and have failed miserably.

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                              • daniel77733
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 3544

                                #240
                                Re: Madden NFL 13 Review (PS3/360)

                                Originally posted by Bgamer90
                                Comparing metacritic ratings like that is very flawed. A game from 8 years ago wouldn't get the same review scores if it released today.

                                People have said that Madden 13 is better than 2005 (calling Madden 13 the "best Madden ever") yet Madden 2005 has a better metacritic rating (Madden 2005 has a 91% while Madden 13 currently has an 82%).

                                Heck, I guess there's no better game than Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 then. The game has a metacritic rating of a 97.

                                Why can't devs make a game that's better than a skateboarding game that came out in 2001?
                                2005 is better than 13 for so many reasons. Hell, im playing Madden NFL 12 instead of 13 because with 13, there's just way too many limitations and restrictions to where it just becomes frustrating as hell and while the gameplay is probably the best its ever been, its not that huge of a difference between last year and this year and when you add in all the other stuff that can be done last year, 12 is even better.

                                2K5's franchise mode wasnt great but better than this year's Madden for a lot of reasons. I disagree with you saying a game released eight years ago wouldnt get the same ratings because the only reason would be graphics and visuals. 2K5 STILL plays a better game of football and its a lot more fun to play. I love 2K5 and while it wasnt perfect, it had far less problems than what M13 has. And the three main problems the game had gameplay wise, you could get around yourself.

                                Madden 13 is NOT the best Madden ever. Reviewers are just saying that because EA advertises on the respective site or pays them off plain and simple. Every review I have read about M13 mentions NOTHING about the flaws and problems or even the lack of editing and other features that existed just a year ago.

                                The reason im comparing the metacritic scores is for a few reasons. First, this site and the review for M13 said that its the best Madden ever despite the fact that its not even the best Madden ever. I should have added in Madden NFL 2005's metacritic rating in my previous post to show that but because I was responding to the other guy, I only added 2K5.

                                What people are failing to realize is that eight years later and on far superior console, EA/Tiburon cant even surpass their OWN game released eight years ago so how the hell would they ever be able to surpass a game thats considered by the majority to be the greatest football game of all time? The sad part is that 2K was going to get even better but obviously, seeing that become a reality was taken away.

                                Second, you would think that no matter what game it is, it would receive at least ONE negative or ONE mixed review but 2K5 didnt. Despite the technology, games are worse now then they were eight years ago because its all focused on everything but what it should be - and thats "how does the game play"? Are there any problems that prevent the gameplay from being as good as it should be? Even Madden NFL 2005 only received one mixed review and no negatives for both Xbox and PS2. To me, Madden NFL 2005 was the second best football game of all-time.

                                Third, eight years later, 2K5 has stood against the test of time and has kicked its ***. Still, far better presentation. Far better commentary. Better gameplay. A LOT more FUN to play. Far less problems, bugs, glitches than today's Madden. The reason why everyone (including me) compares Madden to 2K5 every year is because 2K5 was the game that forced EA to not only cut its price from $50 to $30 THREE MONTHS LATER, but it also forced them to buyout the NFL license. EA knew that there was no way that Tiburon could surpass Visual Concepts. Half the people at Tiburon dont even know anything about football or what the hell they're doing. Anyone who's not blinded can see that from a mile away.

                                Eight years later, 2K5 shouldnt even be discussed but the reason it is, is because it still hasnt been surpassed. And dont know about Tony Hawk but I'll use a different example. Dont know what the metacritic rating for it is but the original Metal Gear Solid on PSone is STILL the best in the series and that will never change. Why? Because everything about it played great, story, characters, bosses, etc. ...everything was as close to perfection as you're going to get.

                                Now, eight years later, its all about online, DLC, how can we make MORE money while giving consumers LESS? Thats all it is. The core basics and fundamentals of gaming is pretty much dead and buried. Companies dont care half as much as they did just eight years ago. And you can see that yourself in 2K5 and Madden NFL 2005. Compared to then, every year's Madden is a disappointment.

                                They fixed the gameplay and made it arguably the best its ever been this year but then, screwed up EVERYTHING else. It doesnt make any sense. If you already have an awesome franchise mode, just add to it. Dont shoot and chop its head off. Just add to it.

                                If EA/Tiburon would have added to franchise mode from last year, solve the problems overall and the gameplay, presentation, commentary was the same or better than what M13 is, they would have been far closer to being the best football game of all-time and ending the 2K5 comparision but that didnt happen so here we are.

                                Everyone has their own opinion as do I. I just think that EA/Tiburon should have simply added the Infinity Engine to last year's franchise mode, cut out the garbage, test it fully, add mini-camp, add in the ESPN license and even if they have to copy 2K5, who cares? They should copy 2K5 in that regard. And you would probably have the greatest football simulation of all-time.

                                If that was the case and the game stayed the same every year but everything in the game was perfected or at least near perfect, hell, I would give EA my $60 every year guaranteed but thats never going to happen.

                                EA/Tiburon thinks doing all this stupid crap will make the series better. In the long run, it wont because it will **** off too many football simulations like myself. EA/Tiburon should just stick to the core basics and fundamentals. If they were to do that just ONE YEAR, we would have the best playing, user friendly and most fun football simulation video game of all-time.

                                It's just a shame that eight years later, as a consumer, as a fan. I'm not seeing or playing that yet when I should be. And there will be a lot of people who disagree with me and thats fine but when you seriously think about it, 2K5 and Madden NFL 2005 should have been crushed already yet neither have been and are still the best two football games of all time.

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