They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

[The JareBear]

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I hope EA properly programs zone defense one day

[SincerelYourz]

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play the pass and wr shading...they should bring back the playmaker stick too though

[MikeLove]

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I literally laughed out loud when that video played in game saying that precision passing or whatever was 'new'. I know for a fact its been in football games as far back as NFL 2k3 which was 10 freaking years ago. I know for sure its always been in NCAA this generation.

Like, cool, im glad its there, but don't disrespect your customers like that.

[raiders81tim]

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play the pass and wr shading...they should bring back the playmaker stick too though

Playmaker is in the game. I use it when people try and drop a bunch of linemen into coverage.

[Big FN Deal]

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I feel what some people are saying about not wanting the devs to go overboard addressing zone defense but some things definitely needs to be addressed. I see some people kind of implying zone ain't that bad because they are having success but that's not how I think it should be judged. When I go into replay at the end of games, I go look at how my defenders perform in zone and it doesn't look right to me. Granted I am not some football guru but I know that players should not be getting turned around for no reason or just standing there watching things play out in front of them.

Like I think LBz stated, I want to see them tweek the base reaction time of defenders, this is supposed to be the NFL for goodness sake, lol. It's almost like by them taking away the defense's ability to react to the button press, they have a harder time swarming to the ball. So again I want to see the pass defender reaction time improved.

Now, to those saying there is some rhyme and reason to zone defense, I want to see Tiburon release something to prove it, lol. I am tired of being handed this alleged piece of complicated machinery, without a sufficient explanation for how to operate it. Ordinarily I would just refer to real football but that often doesn't work out too well with Madden. So do players with a higher zone coverage actually play zone better and one with high man coverage play man better in M13? Or is this all just a random crap shoot like it seems to me, with some games my defense playing lights out, while other games they can't stop anything? Is it about setting an early rhythm and tone to have your team perform well, do I need to look to disrupt the offense early to have continued success? Is that stuff just a placebo effect or is there something to it and how much a roll does DPP play?

I am going to need Tiburon to get off the sideline and explain how this stuff is meant to work, so I can understand the parameters for playing this game. Playing defense in M13, I honestly feel like the Greatest American Hero without the foggiest idea how to operate this thing.

[droopizzle34]

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If this is targeted in my direction, let me clarify. I never said for anyone else to use them. I said I use them. I use all of them and I'm not getting "toasted," whatever that means in your mind. Some games guys will pick the zone apart. Other games I've gotten several INT's out of zone. So rather than saying I need to sit down, it might be more prudent to remain silent on that to which one cannot speak.

I'm not saying the zones are perfect or that there is nothing wrong with them. I will never say that. I will say that I would rather they not "fix" them the way I'm seeing implied, namely so that people that do not have good players can just sit back in zone and their defense can become an impenetrable force and interception machine just because they are running zone. We've had that and that is worse than having zones that are soft IMO.

LB i dont think this was you,but let me clarify. you may be able to get away with running zone against new players,but vets of Madden will shred a zone up. If i see zone,I'm licking my chops,and I'm sure vets of Madden feel the same way. Route combos + precision passing destroys zone and its even worse this year. you may be able to fool some,but more often than not you're asking to get aired out using zone this year.

[droopizzle34]

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Zone is better than you think - if you're giving up a lot of big plays, you're probably running Cover 2, which is weak. Use Cover 3. If the guy is passing for 467 yards, then he's either a really good cheeser, or using some kind of exploit.

That said, I agree that defense could be better. But its not god-awful. You can consistently hold people to the lower-20s if you just call decent plays.

here is the quote i was talking about.

[droopizzle34]

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Just to piggyback something i said earlier, Maximun Passing is not all its cracked up to be, and ballhawk is the counter.I lab with friends constantly, and we sit back and trip out on how on corner routes, streaks, and deep outs, you should be able to put some air under the ball and lead your WR,(especially on the corner route,where u should be able to lead toward the sideline and let your wr run to the spot) only to have a pass thrown low in trajectory and the db jumps up and ints the pass. or the fact dbs play the ball in the air better than your wr does. Maximum Passing is not where it needs to be, but it is a help. Ballhawk is the counter,an easy exploit counter, so easy a caveman can do it counter, but a counter none the less...

[Smoke6]

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LB i dont think this was you,but let me clarify. you may be able to get away with running zone against new players,but vets of Madden will shred a zone up. If i see zone,I'm licking my chops,and I'm sure vets of Madden feel the same way. Route combos + precision passing destroys zone and its even worse this year. you may be able to fool some,but more often than not you're asking to get aired out using zone this year.

To top it off LB, just go play in the play now online and see what we're talking about, its really amazing how I had a guy today line up in a what appeared to be a goaline with maclin and jackson down in the 3pt stance and he threw and hit jackson almost everytime. Even when I picked him off he just kept doing the entire game. It was more funny than I could be upset about as no matter what I did even when it was working kept going his way play after play.

No way something like this should ever be possible and happen and it was the quick passes he was doing when the WR is at the point to where he is not even looking or ready to get the ball. FIX THIS EA!!!

[Smoke6]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Just to piggyback something i said earlier, Maximun Passing is not all its cracked up to be, and ballhawk is the counter.I lab with friends constantly, and we sit back and trip out on how on corner routes, streaks, and deep outs, you should be able to put some air under the ball and lead your WR,(especially on the corner route,where u should be able to lead toward the sideline and let your wr run to the spot) only to have a pass thrown low in trajectory and the db jumps up and ints the pass. or the fact dbs play the ball in the air better than your wr does. Maximum Passing is not where it needs to be, but it is a help. Ballhawk is the counter,an easy exploit counter, so easy a caveman can do it counter, but a counter none the less...

Good stuff, let me piggy back one thing...

Try throwing to a deep route when you run a screen play, the ball will just sail as if you lofted it up to your 3yr old son thats 3 ft away from you. i can never get that touch or zip on the when my opponent is sending the house thinking im running and everything in the middle is wide open only to have a guy thats in my QBs face turn around and swat or pick the ball off that he had no business of doing in the first place.

[thebizarrojerry]

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Precision Passing isn't new, I remember when Madden would blabber on about "Precision Passing" after every catch in the late 90's version!

[nidaemeide]

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[SincerelYourz]

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Playmaker is in the game. I use it when people try and drop a bunch of linemen into coverage.

my bad. for some reason i thought you could use defensive playmaker and shift your zone coverage "mid-play" back in madden 05.

[prototype561]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

well there is really no defense in the real NFL either, look at all the passing records that have been broken in the NFL, 400 yd games are normal now lol

[JaymeeAwesome]

well there is really no defense in the real NFL either, look at all the passing records that have been broken in the NFL, 400 yd games are normal now lol

I agree. We are in the passing era of the nfl and madden is trying to emulate that. Hopefully this will pass once Brady and Peyton retire and we can get back to balanced football.