They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

[SincerelYourz]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

cover 4 is pretty decent for 3 wr sets; run some man under for 4 and 5 wr sets...

but why did they take out defensive assignments? or am i over looking it?

[prototype561]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I agree. We are in the passing era of the nfl and madden is trying to emulate that. Hopefully this will pass once Brady and Peyton retire and we can get back to balanced football.

I don't think its ever going back to glory days of ground and pound, when rb's got 30-40 carries a game. The main reason is all the defensive rules, my friends and I joke around and call the NFL the "NFFL", National Flag Football League because you literally can't hit offensive players anymore. I remember the days when only the daring wr's would run across the middle in fear of one the lb's and safeties knocking their face off a la steve atwater.

[bukktown]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I play the pass well... But I don't play online.

Haha. I don't know if you were serious or not but that made me laugh . My 3 yr old nephew plays the pass well offline too. I don't mean that as an insult to you but as an insult to the AI.

I wish they could program the AI QBs to be more like online players. Especially the Brees's and Rodgers's and good QBs. I want them to throw their receivers open the way that online players do with the lead passing.

[BlastX21]

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Sweet b'jesus. I haven't seen this many angry white people since Casey Anthony's verdict.

[LBzrule]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

well there is really no defense in the real NFL either, look at all the passing records that have been broken in the NFL, 400 yd games are normal now lol

Really not the case when the 49ers, Giants and Chiefs dismantled those very teams that pass for that type of yardage. Didn't see Aaron Rogers passing for 400 yards against the 9er's last week. Didn't see him do it against the Giants in the play offs and didn't see him do it against the Chiefs. Didn't see Brady pass for a lot of yards against the Ravens or the Giants last season in the play offs and Super Bowl. To say there is no defense in the NFL is an oversimplification and egregious oversight and excuse for some of the mess that goes on in Madden 13. I'm not buying that.

[LBzrule]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

here is the quote i was talking about.

Gotcha. I retract my statement.

[LBzrule]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

To top it off LB, just go play in the play now online and see what we're talking about, its really amazing how I had a guy today line up in a what appeared to be a goaline with maclin and jackson down in the 3pt stance and he threw and hit jackson almost everytime. Even when I picked him off he just kept doing the entire game. It was more funny than I could be upset about as no matter what I did even when it was working kept going his way play after play.

No way something like this should ever be possible and happen and it was the quick passes he was doing when the WR is at the point to where he is not even looking or ready to get the ball. FIX THIS EA!!!

I faced that mess last night. Lame. Jackson and Maclin in at TE in the 3TE set. Couldn't do much against it with Vick also running around. Can't believe EA brought those subs back into the game and allow people to do that. The game looks like something a 2 year old would play and have fun with when people do that. That's not to say that 2 year olds should not be able to have fun, but does anyone think a two or even up to ten year old would even have the frame of mind to make those types of subs in that formation to exploit the game? I don't. It's the plotting and scheming of a teenager/slash adult who knows the weaknesses of the game and does this just to get a W and EA should be a shamed that their game is being rendered a JOKE.

[Smoke6]

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I faced that mess last night. Lame. Jackson and Maclin in at TE in the 3TE set. Couldn't do much against it with Vick also running around. Can't believe EA brought those subs back into the game and allow people to do that. The game looks like something a 2 year old would play and have fun with when people do that. That's not to say that 2 year olds should not be able to have fun, but does anyone think a two or even up to ten year old would even have the frame of mind to make those types of subs in that formation to exploit the game? I don't. It's the plotting and scheming of a teenager/slash adult who knows the weaknesses of the game and does this just to get a W and EA should be a shamed that their game is being rendered a JOKE.

Yes, he came back from a 14 point deficit and won by 3 doing this the whole time, I manned up P willis on him and he picked it like 4 times and my safety got another 1 but he kept going at it no matter what. On defense he had a nice nano i never seen before and was nothing I could do about it since showing blitz in zone works more than it really should and it was just going his way til he won.

Never in my life would I wanna play someone with a 1 play offense like that again, my Dlinemen should have pancaked and squashed maclin and jackson at the LOS as he shouldnt have had anyone to throw too. I hope EA takes a long look at that man, if you line up like that you should get treated a such!

[booker21]

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Which means defense is impossible to play this year. Really why would you buff the passing game, but leave defense the exact same? Man gets beat by comebacks and deep outs 99% of the time and zone gets beat by every damn thing. Seriously why even play this game online when I know the winner is just going to be that last person with the ball.

Just played a game online vs the ravens no less and had 467 yards passing with freaking Terrelle Pryor.

Zone coverage flat out sucks in this game, and man is easily exploited.

Is better AI logic on defense patchable?

This is what i always says. We don´t want Physic DB, Super LB etc but we never talk about how accurate QB are in the game.

If the Defense is going to play realistically, then the QB should throw realistically and not every pass right between the numbers.

[Rufio2031]

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This is what i always says. We don´t want Physic DB, Super LB etc but we never talk about how accurate QB are in the game.

If the Defense is going to play realistically, then the QB should throw realistically and not every pass right between the numbers.

This is way overlooked. Some of the best QB's in the NFL miss those easy ones sometimes. You MUST lower QB Accuracy in the game. I'm at User Accuracy at 8 I think and some throws by Blaine Gabbert just make me shake my head. But those happen. Increase Pass Rush, Increase D Pass Reaction. Decrease QB Accuracy.

I don't play online and I hate that it's getting all the focus in recent years. I don't even know if you can adjust these settings for online, that's how much I play it.

[prototype561]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Really not the case when the 49ers, Giants and Chiefs dismantled those very teams that pass for that type of yardage. Didn't see Aaron Rogers passing for 400 yards against the 9er's last week. Didn't see him do it against the Giants in the play offs and didn't see him do it against the Chiefs. Didn't see Brady pass for a lot of yards against the Ravens or the Giants last season in the play offs and Super Bowl. To say there is no defense in the NFL is an oversimplification and egregious oversight and excuse for some of the mess that goes on in Madden 13. I'm not buying that.

I'm not saying defense is totally useless but if you compare the 49ers and Ravens teams now to those that played in the early 00's suchs as the bucs and the the young ray lewis led ravens theres a big gap. A top 5 defense now would have been a top 10-15 defense back then. Every year since then they have implemented a new defensive rule, u can't hit a guy here u can't hit a guy there, u can't hit him if they aren't looking. Look at qb wrong and theres a flag(except for Vick).

[Big FN Deal]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

This is what i always says. We don´t want Physic DB, Super LB etc but we never talk about how accurate QB are in the game.

If the Defense is going to play realistically, then the QB should throw realistically and not every pass right between the numbers.

Preach! This right here will go overlooked and unmentioned by devs but we will constantly be fed "the NFL is now a passing league". Many people have been saying for years how Tiburon is so focused on just replicating the results of the NFL in Madden, instead of the process, which lead to those results. It's incredibly short sighted to look at the passing stats or stats period imo and the big plays, then decide to create the game to replicate that. This is why Madden continues to be rife what we "see on Sundays", while completely lacking on the process that produced it.

The way they seem to choose to make Madden is so unnecessary, imo. If the game was built to fundamentally replicate applicable football aspects as best it could, that would make the game more inclusive for everybody. NO CASUAL is going to be alienated by a more realistic Madden because on lower difficulty levels or some default factory setting, the realistic process for achieving repeated success, could be programmed to play out more regardless of ratings but play out according to ratings on the more "hardcore" settings. However, completely leaving those processes out of Madden and opting to only include win/loss results, makes it easier for casuals, frustrating for the hardcore and NOT football for anybody.

For example, why on Redskins do I see Moss, Garcon, Morgan, Davis and Paul, ALL making the exact same catches? Where is the variety in catch technique? They added 430+ new catch animations, which is good but I asked back along time ago, what does that mean and how does that work? Can everyone access the same catch animations, even defenders, if so, why?

I will stop because I have pretty much forgot what my point was when I started this post. I am just tired of seeing football "funned up" like an arcade game while being told the long term goal is optimal realism. I wonder is it against the TOS to call people liars, I am going to look that up.

[GiantBlue76]

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Preach! This right here will go overlooked and unmentioned by devs but we will constantly be fed "the NFL is now a passing league". Many people have been saying for years how Tiburon is so focused on just replicating the results of the NFL in Madden, instead of the process, which lead to those results. It's incredibly short sighted to look at the passing stats or stats period imo and the big plays, then decide to create the game to replicate that. This is why Madden continues to be rife what we "see on Sundays", while completely lacking on the process that produced it.

The way they seem to choose to make Madden is so unnecessary, imo. If the game was built to fundamentally replicate applicable football aspects as best it could, that would make the game more inclusive for everybody. NO CASUAL is going to be alienated by a more realistic Madden because on lower difficulty levels or some default factory setting, the realistic process for achieving repeated success, could be programmed to play out more regardless of ratings but play out according to ratings on the more "hardcore" settings. However, completely leaving those processes out of Madden and opting to only include win/loss results, makes it easier for casuals, frustrating for the hardcore and NOT football for anybody.

For example, why on Redskins do I see Moss, Garcon, Morgan, Davis and Paul, ALL making the exact same catches? Where is the variety in catch technique? They added 430+ new catch animations, which is good but I asked back along time ago, what does that mean and how does that work? Can everyone access the same catch animations, even defenders, if so, why?

I will stop because I have pretty much forgot what my point was when I started this post. I am just tired of seeing football "funned up" like an arcade game while being told the long term goal is optimal realism. I wonder is it against the TOS to call people liars, I am going to look that up.

I'm hearing that little, "I told you so" coming on :wink:

[LBzrule]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Preach! This right here will go overlooked and unmentioned by devs but we will constantly be fed "the NFL is now a passing league". Many people have been saying for years how Tiburon is so focused on just replicating the results of the NFL in Madden, instead of the process, which lead to those results. It's incredibly short sighted to look at the passing stats or stats period imo and the big plays, then decide to create the game to replicate that. This is why Madden continues to be rife what we "see on Sundays", while completely lacking on the process that produced it.

The way they seem to choose to make Madden is so unnecessary, imo. If the game was built to fundamentally replicate applicable football aspects as best it could, that would make the game more inclusive for everybody. NO CASUAL is going to be alienated by a more realistic Madden because on lower difficulty levels or some default factory setting, the realistic process for achieving repeated success, could be programmed to play out more regardless of ratings but play out according to ratings on the more "hardcore" settings. However, completely leaving those processes out of Madden and opting to only include win/loss results, makes it easier for casuals, frustrating for the hardcore and NOT football for anybody.

For example, why on Redskins do I see Moss, Garcon, Morgan, Davis and Paul, ALL making the exact same catches? Where is the variety in catch technique? They added 430+ new catch animations, which is good but I asked back along time ago, what does that mean and how does that work? Can everyone access the same catch animations, even defenders, if so, why?

I will stop because I have pretty much forgot what my point was when I started this post. I am just tired of seeing football "funned up" like an arcade game while being told the long term goal is optimal realism. I wonder is it against the TOS to call people liars, I am going to look that up.

Big I agree. I think that while EA has access to the NFL, they are still lacking specific paradigms/models that would assist in programming. The programming still seems to be universal. I was hoping DPP would assist in making the game feel more complex and nuanced from team to team and player to player. All it takes in a bad experience online with someone using über cheesy tactics to remind you just how far this game needs to climb.

I know what I am about to say will rub some people the wrong way. I just cannot agree that people should be allowed to play the game the want to. I think that statement needs to be nuanced. You can play the way you want within a particular framework, meaning you cannot do certain things and if you don't like it tough. People should not be allowed to put their fast WR's at the TE position and then have the personnel package read 3 TE's. That's just giving people a license to exploit the product.

WR's being used as a lead blocker on isolation run plays should be ineffective. The game has to discourage these types of tactics, not reward them. I'm all for an automatic injury and out for the game with this nonsense. If you can't fix the physics of a 1.25 lb looking wr in Desean Jackson blocking 230+ lb players to the ground just have the game recognize what is going on and injure the man.

This game is out of hand right now with some of the tactics people are using. Reminds me of Madden 02-04. Marshall Faulk at QB throwing perfect strikes to Holt and Bruce. Sit-in coverage and watch him scramble with Faulk for 15 to 20 yards. They will fix it by making defense too tough. Mehhh

[GiantBlue76]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Big I agree. I think that while EA has access to the NFL, they are still lacking specific paradigms/models that would assist in programming. The programming still seems to be universal. I was hoping DPP would assist in making the game feel more complex and nuanced from team to team and player to player. All it takes in a bad experience online with someone using über cheesy tactics to remind you just how far this game needs to climb.

I know what I am about to say will rub some people the wrong way. I just cannot agree that people should be allowed to play the game the want to. I think that statement needs to be nuanced. You can play the way you want within a particular framework, meaning you cannot do certain things and if you don't like it tough. People should not be allowed to put their fast WR's at the TE position and then have the personnel package read 3 TE's. That's just giving people a license to exploit the product.

WR's being used as a lead blocker on isolation run plays should be ineffective. The game has to discourage these types of tactics, not reward them. I'm all for an automatic injury and out for the game with this nonsense. If you can't fix the physics of a 1.25 lb looking wr in Desean Jackson blocking 230+ lb players to the ground just have the game recognize what is going on and injure the man.

This game is out of hand right now with some of the tactics people are using. Reminds me of Madden 02-04. Marshall Faulk at QB throwing perfect strikes to Holt and Bruce. Sit-in coverage and watch him scramble with Faulk for 15 to 20 yards. They will fix it by making defense too tough. Mehhh

SOOOOOOOOO glad you posted this. This post embodies something I've tried to get across here for years. At some point, you diverge from the game being a football game representing the NFL if you broaden the game too much. This is EXACTLY what EA has done to this abomination of a game. I want to play a football game that represents the real thing. I don't want to play a game BASED on football that has the real NFL logos and teams. That's what Madden is, and it will never change. The people making this game are NOT good at it - sorry to be blunt, but those are the facts. Playing Madden is completely unrelated to playing football. In order to get any resemblance to the real game, you have to make sure you play with someone who is aware of the many restrictions and confines that you have to put in place in order for it make the game SOMEWHAT realistic. That's embarrassing. Every game has issues where people will do dumb things, but like I've always said and LB just reiterated it here, I don't blame them for doing it. I blame the game. Complaining about guys running backwards 20 yards with their QB then heaving it 50 yards down field for completions? Blame the game, it rewards it and allows it. EA is no longer making football, they have been manufacturing a competitive action game that is based on American football.

For all of you guys who can't understand why we all clamor for 2k football to come back, this is exactly why.