Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

[roadman]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

I really want this to be the case and it likely may be the intent but it seems to me that those games may have had a better foundation to accomplish this then Madden. Meaning, I haven't played either so does anyone know if in year one of the three year plan for FIFA and NHL, those games were as lacking fundamentally as Madden is? I mean that as a serious question because if those games where able to completely go from ish to sugar using this three year model, then that bodes well for Madden but if Madden is far more fundamentally FUBAR than those games, like I think, then it seems to me this three year plan is more about the Madden on the new consoles than the current ones.

I said that because of the comments earlier when IE was introduced. Our son plays FIFA religiously, but if I ask him, I bet he would tell me he noticed gradual improvements over three years. Soccer is as serious to him as football is to me, but he doesn't take his gaming as seriously as we do.

I think Phobia, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, mentioned in FIFA's first year of physics, players were falling down all over with minimal contact.

[spyoutofthecold]

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I disagree with the OP completely, I find the physics engine to be fantastic.

Running works great if you just wait for the holes to open up and dont his boost once you get the ball.

Yes, it stink to run into the back of the offensive lineman but guess what? You did that, you pushed the buttons and made your RB run into a 300 pound mand who is dug in.

[Old School SD Fan]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

I agree with OP, I went from very smooth and realistic animations in NCAA 13 to wonky animations in Madden and tackles or falls that look like a guy got sniped or something unrealistic.

Very unimpressed with the new engine, it actually feels like regression to me, I much prefer NCAA 13.

[roll2tide]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

They also sell it at Wal-Mart... where they sell fire arms. Your point is moot.

Post of the year nominee, imo.

I also see a lot of:

• I am tackled and, as I fall to the ground, I end up on my back on top of a defensive player and other defenders just continue to try to dive at me. I'm sure it's supposed to represent a pile up but it just looks stupid.
• On normal speed or faster, sometimes I am hit....begin to fall to the ground...and then for some reason I suddenly lurch and gain another 5-8 yards. It looks like I fell twice or something.
• The "glide step" still exists on normal speed or faster. Particularly on KOs i can go from a N-S direction to a SW direction at full speed and the player just glides for 1-3 yards until his feet catch up again.
• Waaaay too many explosive collisions. A DT that takes one step before making contact with Trent Richardson should not send Trent flying 1-2 yards in the air.

I normally play on slow speed but I have leagues that play on normal speed and, imo, normal speed physics is pretty bad. It's better on slow but my various ball carriers seems like they are made of tin foil way too often.

[48 hours]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

The old saying "be careful for what you ask for" is real. What did people expect from a new engine? The same stuff that turned me off from Backbreaker is in this game. This is just a natural progression with some bad and some good. I have seen qbs and rbs fall down like rag doll in the NFL this season. The engine will only get better.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

I think Phobia, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, mentioned in FIFA's first year of physics, players were falling down all over with minimal contact.

And this is what bothers me -- they technically already had a 'test dummy'. Why would we, as football gamers, have to go through those same trials and errors as the previously titles if they have already figured away around them? Will NCAA have to start from where Madden is this year? That makes no sense to me at all.

This was rushed -- instead of something that really could have made this game special once it was perfected, it was used as a back of the box feature.

[48 hours]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

And this is what bothers me -- they technically already had a 'test dummy'. Why would we, as football gamers, have to go through those same trials and errors as the previously titles if they have already figured away around them? Will NCAA have to start from where Madden is this year? That makes no sense to me at all.

This was rushed -- instead of something that really could have made this game special once it was perfected, it was used as a back of the box feature.

but it would never be perfected. At some point you have to roll out the tech and problem solve.

[slick589]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

And this is what bothers me -- they technically already had a 'test dummy'. Why would we, as football gamers, have to go through those same trials and errors as the previously titles if they have already figured away around them? Will NCAA have to start from where Madden is this year? That makes no sense to me at all.

This was rushed -- instead of something that really could have made this game special once it was perfected, it was used as a back of the box feature.

It was absolutely rushed. They decided to implement it in january. Physics is core to the game of football and they should have worked on IE for two years instead of CCM.

Madden will always be fluff over core.

[48 hours]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

It was absolutely rushed. They decided to implement it in january. Physics is core to the game of football and they should have worked on IE for two years instead of CCM.

Madden will always be fluff over core.

So, if Madden would have waited until Madden 15 then it would be a bug free product?

[roadman]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

And this is what bothers me -- they technically already had a 'test dummy'. Why would we, as football gamers, have to go through those same trials and errors as the previously titles if they have already figured away around them? Will NCAA have to start from where Madden is this year? That makes no sense to me at all.

This was rushed -- instead of something that really could have made this game special once it was perfected, it was used as a back of the box feature.

I don't even know if all three have the same physics engine? One would think NCAA receives the fresh version.

Yes, it was rushed, Cam Weber decided to go for it and it was started in January.

[therizing02]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

IIRC, this is year three for the FIFA(FIFA13 is out tomorrow) physics engine. I've played over 1000 offline games of FIFA over the course of the last 3 years.

I'm not sure the physics engine is exactly the same as Maddens but there are probably a few components that are the same. I agree with the post that said that the M13 engine is a combination of the old animations with new "physics". Maybe as the development process evolves it will turn into a true physics engine. Only time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think it would be a little unfair though to compare the physics engine in the two games. While there is contact in soccer it is not the contact sport that the NFL is so there are more important core things that need to be perfected. However, in the FIFA engine you can absolutely tell that weight and size play a significant factor in what happens on the pitch. It so much easier for the bigger defenders to bump a smaller striker off the ball. When jockeying for position on corner kicks, the bigger, taller players have a significant advantage. This was true when the new engine was first unveiled. Yes there were a few goofy animations, but IMO it never took away from the game. When the new engine was implemented, FIFA went from being a game where speed was the only attribute that was relevant to a more complete game. I have yet to play a Madden game where weight and size determine the outcome of individual plays.

The M13 engine and it's mix of bad animations, weightless players, unrealistic physical outcomes, overabundance of violent unrealistic "tackles" seems like a grab bag of the old, new, and we aren't sure how to implement this, but let's get it out anyway and slap it on the back of the box feature.

IMO, if they were going to release this, they should have ripped out every animation and started from scratch, just like FIFA did. Instead they decide in January to do it and we get a half assed rushed out..."feature" that so far from realistic that the game has regressed.

[GiantBlue76]

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I have no problem with them adding a physics engine and having some issues initially. What I DO have a problem with is the terrible player movement and interactions that have plagued the series for YEARS. Not just one or two releases, but basically 8 years. Why wasn't that addressed? Passing was modified and it's slightly better, but it's not that much better. I still see a lot of the same issues. I can still turn curls into streaks if I throw the ball early enough. I still see players warp to a spot if the game decides they are making a play. There are not enough animations in the game and the ones that are there have trouble triggering under the right context. Nothing looks smooth or refined. Nothing convinces me that the players are "alive" and have their own abilities on the field. Eli Manning goes down? No problem - we have David Carr! Just as good... It's still madden and I have realized that it will always be this and nothing will ever change it.

The slogan for EA sports regarding Madden would be much more fitting if it changed from "it's in the game" to "It is what it is".

[Mr_truthman.com]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

it's sold at "Toys R us" . Please try to grasp that concept.
Must be a few distinct reasons they decided to carry that product that so many kids play with.
in the words of the great Sigmund Freud " sometimes a banana is just a banana "

Whats with you and "toys". HA and using "Toys r us" as a reference. They also sell laptops and tablet PC's at "toys r us". Are those items "toys" to you as well?

[Slim4824]

People complain they didn't get physics last year. Get it this year and complain about it.

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[Big FN Deal]

Re: Am I the only one starting to get really FRUSTRATED with this PHYSICS ENGINE???

The thing about all this is, for all the lip service I feel we have been given over the years, I do have confidence in this new team to make a solid NFl simulation, just not on these consoles. Some people are comparing FIFA's three year plan for physics and I would agree to a certain extent but I think Madden on these consoles is the "test dummy" for Madden on the next consoles.

If I was Cam Weber and the crew, realizing how FUBAR the legacy fundamental code in Madden is, with only a short time before new consoles are likely coming out, I would plan for that too, not try to make this current Madden into something it can likely never be, a solid sim.

I know people like to try to label others as hating on Madden but I think it's logical that at this point, current Madden and its' consumers, are the betas for Madden on the new consoles. If everyone accepts that and then makes a decision on whether to buy it, play it or not, I think they will be better off. It seems if you read between the lines in many of those interviews with Weber and others, they are alluding to what they believe they can accomplish with a fresh start on new consoles opposed to the lemonade that can make with these current lemons.