Madden NFL 25 Brings Back Importing of Draft Classes, Full 32-Team Control & More

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Brings Back Importing of Draft Classes, Full 32-Team Control & More

Crazy, everyone is praising Madden for simply bringing back features that were in the game since 08. Everyone seems to be drooling at the mouth over recycled features. Its a real shame! This is not an effort whatsoever from EA, I don't care what anyone says.

It is a effort and a great one at that. What you don't get is that now that they are putting all these career modes and features that never should have been taken out, back in the game, they will now build on all of these each year, same with gameplay and that's how you make a elite sports game, like FIFA and MLB The Show did.

People need to realize that games like TGTSNBN took 5 years of development not one. 1999-2004

If you listen to the podcast with Rex Dickson he talks about how the new team realizes this is like turning a aircraft carrier around and it's going to probably take another year or two to get this game fully turned around but once they do then the sky is the limit.

These guys are working as many hours as they can to get this game right for us(17+hour days). Lets start to let the past go as we see improvement(only if, if not criticize constructively) and let's start embracing the new.

Now before you start to say but yeah we have seen and heard this all before, think about this for a second....

Was there anything in Madden 13 that is not in Madden 25 or has been improved on? You can't say that for ANY title on current gen except this one. There was no Run To Daylight or Pro-Tak 2.0, this year you have IE 2.0 and basically Connected Careers 2.0

[aholbert32]

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To be fair, these features should have never been taken out of the game. There bringing then back with a few small additions like, "oh you can now change the ticket prices".

I'm going to designate any posts like this in the future as trolling. These comments have no other purpose but to incite a negative reaction. We all agree that these features shouldnt have been taken out in the first place but thats the besides the point at this time.

[swiftychampleone]

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I'm going to designate any posts like this in the future as trolling. These comments have no other purpose but to incite a negative reaction. We all agree that these features shouldnt have been taken out in the first place but thats the besides the point at this time.

But is it really trolling? I get what you and JPDavis are saying in regards to letting go of the past and embrace the new, but we're just calling a spade a spade here. Yes, I'm VERY excited (and damn near geeked, lol!) about this considering that I haven't bought a Madden this ENTIRE gen because of no owner mode (replayability killer) like last-gen Madden on PS2? Are we supposed to sing their praises to them for something that should've never been taken out in the first place? Let's be honest here. I'm not going to poison this thread with it though. Hopefully this topic can be moved to another thread where we can discuss this?

[aholbert32]

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But is it really trolling? I get what you and JPDavis are saying in regards to letting go of the past and embrace the new, but we're just calling a spade a spade here. Yes, I'm VERY excited (and damn near geeked, lol!) about this considering that I haven't bought a Madden this ENTIRE gen because of no owner mode (replayability killer) like last-gen Madden on PS2? Are we supposed to sing their praises to them for something that should've never been taken out in the first place? Let's be honest here. I'm not going to poison this thread with it though. Hopefully this topic can be moved to another thread where we can discuss this?

Yes it is trolling because it serves no purpose. You dont have to sing their praises. You dont have to say anything at all and thats the point. There are people here that are legitimately happy about the features they added back in. I'm one of them because I was pissed they took out 32 team control last year. While I'm happy about that feature coming back, I'm not "singing anyones praises." I recognize that its a feature that should not have been taken out but whats the point in saying that now other than to rain on others' happiness about the features being back.

[Still2REal]

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It is a effort and a great one at that. What you don't get is that now that they are putting all these career modes and features that never should have been taken out, back in the game, they will now build on all of these each year, same with gameplay and that's how you make a elite sports game, like FIFA and MLB The Show did.
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Now before you start to say but yeah we have seen and heard this all before, think about this for a second....

Was there anything in Madden 13 that is not in Madden 25 or has been improved on? You can't say that for ANY title on current gen except this one. There was no Run To Daylight or Pro-Tak 2.0, this year you have IE 2.0 and basically Connected Careers 2.0

I hear what you are saying, but I'm not in the "Let's give these guys a chance" mode. I did that for 10 years and it didn't really work out well. Also, I'm not really concerned with how many hours they work. Many people work hard at their jobs, but I'm not giving any slack to the dude at a restaurant when they jack up my order. I'm not bashing EA but we have to call a spade a spade. When they improve on features, then I"ll give due praise. Were I to say "EA sucks or is laxy" I would understand, but my statement is simply that companies should not get credit for bringing back old features that never should have been removed.

Let's not forget that the move to this current gen basically started the game over again. Should we expect this on the PS4 and XBox too. Is all this just a last grab for sales on a dying platform for the cycle to repeat itself?

Seriously though, "what is classified as constructive criticism"? I've never understood why it's acceptable to post "This is awesome" but then get threatened with being banned for saying "I'm not impressed."

I actually thought Connected Careers was great/fantastic/etc. To me that represented progress. Bringing back features not so much.

[dorneydave866]

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All of these shiny new features, but we all know there are going to be horrid logic and AI problems as there have been in the past.

If draft classes and all the other stuff work as intended...that's great. But I'm not holding my breath.

[cuttingteeth]

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Perhaps the more appropriate praise isn't just that they listened to what the masses opined for...but that they were steadfast to make them work with CCM and the IEngine. It could have been that we simply saw yet another restart of the game, but we did not. That's what is very much impressing me.

If anything at all, the negative talk should likely be relegated to proof that they shouldn't rush a game every year and seriously take it at 2-years-at-a-time, instead. Alas, we know the NFL won't allow it...but history does indeed warrant it.

[Still2REal]

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Perhaps the more appropriate praise isn't just that they listened to what the masses opined for...but that they were steadfast to make them work with CCM and the IEngine. ...

I can respect this opinion. The fact they listened to the masses is definitely worth a pat on the back. I never expected to see imported draft classes or owner mode again.

[aholbert32]

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Seriously though, "what is classified as constructive criticism"? I've never understood why it's acceptable to post "This is awesome" but then get threatened with being banned for saying "I'm not impressed."

I actually thought Connected Careers was great/fantastic/etc. To me that represented progress. Bringing back features not so much.

That is an oversimplification of what I was saying and you know it. First, if you think "I'm not impressed" is "constructive criticism", you need to pick up a dictionary and read the definition of the word "constructive."

I dont know how this post.....

"Crazy, everyone is praising Madden for simply bringing back features that were in the game since 08. Everyone seems to be drooling at the mouth over recycled features. Its a real shame! This is not an effort whatsoever from EA, I don't care what anyone says. "

.....could be considered constructive. It ignores that the "recycled" modes have new features that werent in previous versions. It also puts the dev in a no win situation. If they dont add those features back people are pissed off and complaining. When they do add them back, people like you complain that they shouldnt have removed them. Finally, it belittles the people who are excited about the features and the additions made to them.

I hold simple posts like "This is awesome" and "I am not impressed" in the same regard with one difference. Neither of those comments add much to the conversation but the negative one is more likely going to lead to an argument. I dont give a **** what your opinion is about the game is as long as you make intelligent, fact supported arguments either way.

[swiftychampleone]

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Yes it is trolling because it serves no purpose. You dont have to sing their praises. You dont have to say anything at all and thats the point. There are people here that are legitimately happy about the features they added back in. I'm one of them because I was pissed they took out 32 team control last year. While I'm happy about that feature coming back, I'm not "singing anyones praises." I recognize that its a feature that should not have been taken out but whats the point in saying that now other than to rain on others' happiness about the features being back.

Point taken and we're in the same boat on the 32-team control. Since this is a replacement of a feature that should've never been taken out, only stance I can have is, Let's see what else happens or how does EA build on this going forward?

[swiftychampleone]

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All of these shiny new features, but we all know there are going to be horrid logic and AI problems as there have been in the past.

If draft classes and all the other stuff work as intended...that's great. But I'm not holding my breath.

That's what scares me as well, but the workaround would be the 32 team control if we see some weird stuff go down with teams we don't control.

[aholbert32]

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That's what scares me as well, but the workaround would be the 32 team control if we see some weird stuff go down with teams we don't control.

I promise you that the franchise AI is going to be screwey. No sports game ever has been able to get that part right. Thats why 32 team was so important to me.

[swiftychampleone]

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I promise you that the franchise AI is going to be screwey. No sports game ever has been able to get that part right. Thats why 32 team was so important to me.

That's something all sports games need to have as an option. We need these games to truly be "our game" and not their game. No matter how well-tuned the AI logc is for roster management, there's going to be something we don't agree with. Yeah, the Packers drafted a star QB in 2015 and traded Aaron Rodgers. Nope, I want him to retire as a Packer, let me go fix that.

[ShaneTheMaster]

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So, let me get this straight.... we can control how much we charge for hot dogs? I'm so excited!!!

[aholbert32]

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That's something all sports games need to have as an option. We need these games to truly be "our game" and not their game. No matter how well-tuned the AI logc is for roster management, there's going to be something we don't agree with. Yeah, the Packers drafted a star QB in 2015 and traded Aaron Rodgers. Nope, I want him to retire as a Packer, let me go fix that.

Exactly. Every game I love (NBA 2k, The Show, even FIFA) has some sort of full league control. Looman didnt realize how important this feature was to people until people like me where harassing him about adding it back in.