3rd string can still play against 1st.

[Argooos]

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None of this is new. The same issues have existed for years. I'm pretty sure the issue lies in the game engine itself and thus is not likely to change. There simply are not enough animations present to represent all the ratings in the game. If I understand correctly they're planning to use the same engine next gen, so I think Madden for the foreseeable future will still have kickers able to play o-line and o-line able to play great at TE etc.. It's not as if EA is not aware of this issue, considering it's been in every edition of Madden for this entire gen at least. They clearly are not willing to pay whatever it would cost to fix it. People still buy the game and enjoy it despite its numerous obvious flaws.

In the end, you're faced with a choice: Keep buying/playing the game and learn to live with this kind of thing, or give up on football games and play something else. By all means keep bringing this stuff to EA's attention, but I would not recommend expecting it to change.

[vrtkolman]

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None of this is new. The same issues have existed for years. I'm pretty sure the issue lies in the game engine itself and thus is not likely to change. There simply are not enough animations present to represent all the ratings in the game. If I understand correctly they're planning to use the same engine next gen, so I think Madden for the foreseeable future will still have kickers able to play o-line and o-line able to play great at TE etc.. It's not as if EA is not aware of this issue, considering it's been in every edition of Madden for this entire gen at least. They clearly are not willing to pay whatever it would cost to fix it. People still buy the game and enjoy it despite its numerous obvious flaws.

In the end, you're faced with a choice: Keep buying/playing the game and learn to live with this kind of thing, or give up on football games and play something else. By all means keep bringing this stuff to EA's attention, but I would not recommend expecting it to change.

I don't see why people are getting so excited for next gen madden. If this is the case, the game is still going to have tons of issues next gen. The game code has been bandaged so many times, I doubt the devs know exactly what consequences of changing their code is doing. This is evident by things like penalty sliders and even coach positional importance settings now affecting AI.

[NDAlum]

I don't see why people are getting so excited for next gen madden. If this is the case, the game is still going to have tons of issues next gen. The game code has been bandaged so many times, I doubt the devs know exactly what consequences of changing their code is doing. This is evident by things like penalty sliders and even coach positional importance settings now affecting AI.

I also don't and I'm a guy who is going to be it for current gen this year. For some reason people think it will all of a sudden be great? Am I hopeful that it will take a huge leap forward? Of course I think most of us here want a better EA football game. Am I expecting one? Not really.

[juggalotusx]

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I was Using roadmans deamo sliders

[CheesHd09]

What difficulty? All madden?

[Big FN Deal]

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To comment on why I have some optimism for M25 on the new consoles, it's because they spent around two years doing something. If all M25 on new consoles was going to be is a direct port of the bad code from this entire gen, I don't get why that would need to be prepared for.

So my hope it that all this talk about two years of prep and bringing in ghost teams had something to do with porting M25 onto the new consoles in such a way that allowed them exclude the bad coding. Now I know nothing about coding video games but from a layman's POV, I am hoping they used that prep time to create a cleaner more stable version of M25 onto the new consoles instead of just continuing to build on top of bad code.

We will see a few months when M25 drops on the new consoles.

[juggalotusx]

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did do a follow up with a game on all madden ravens first team starters against 49ers 3rd string.
Bj daniels made some nice plays and the half back harper made some good runs. 4th quarter I put in andy lee as qb and tukafu as hb, lee only hit one 25 yard pass in coverage somehow but otherwise throws were way off target, and tukafu was very slow.

Ravens offense had no problems running the ball or really even passing, I think one int by brock but he was really low on the cb chart. Ray rice broke one play for 77 and ended up with over 130 yards and 3 tds.

San fran O-line was not bad but did drop roughing the passer to 0 which made getting through the line easier.
At the end of the 2 minutes I put in the starters on san fran D and had 2 sacks a fumble and 3 TFLs so tack must work for a rating.

I guess I dont know what to say some rating work like speed,tack and accuracy for qbs but I think thats about it.
Alot of jarring hits that knock the ball loose also.

[Segagendude]

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Anyone try the classic "putting the kicker as a guard" test?

[roadman]

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To comment on why I have some optimism for M25 on the new consoles, it's because they spent around two years doing something. If all M25 on new consoles was going to be is a direct port of the bad code from this entire gen, I don't get why that would need to be prepared for.

So my hope it that all this talk about two years of prep and bringing in ghost teams had something to do with porting M25 onto the new consoles in such a way that allowed them exclude the bad coding. Now I know nothing about coding video games but from a layman's POV, I am hoping they used that prep time to create a cleaner more stable version of M25 onto the new consoles instead of just continuing to build on top of bad code.

We will see a few months when M25 drops on the new consoles.

Just reading Clint on Twitter the last few days is impressive. He feels the trenches will have classic battles and collapsing the pocket type stuff.

[ggsimmonds]

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If so many people think the ratings don't matter, why do people always seem to only use the same top rated teams in online games?

[Keenan G.]

Well that kills owner mode.

[NDAlum]

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If so many people think the ratings don't matter, why do people always seem to only use the same top rated teams in online games?

You can't put Joe Flacco back there and have him run the spread option like RGIII.

Also there is a difference to a certain extent. The issue lies in the limited animation library EA possesses. However I am not too worried about some of the legacy issues because it would never affect me or my league. No tackle would be lined up at TE running routes.

Do I want them to address this and fix it? Yes sir. It just doesn't really have that much of an impact on the game for me.

[dat boi Q]

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Should know by now what you are getting with madden.
Game just isn't programmed to show the difference between good and bad players. It's time to realize that madden will always be madden.
A football made to be fun first and fun second and then a little sim to keep both sides coming back.

[wtd03]

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Should know by now what you are getting with madden.
Game just isn't programmed to show the difference between good and bad players. It's time to realize that madden will always be madden.
A football made to be fun first and fun second and then a little sim to keep both sides coming back.

Thats not entirely true. Madden wanted this game to be a sim first and foremost to teach kids the fundamentals and basics of football. He wanted it as real as possible.

Of course over the years EA has strayed away from this basically out of pure laziness and time constraints.

I think Madden should come out every two years. So the game is polished, refined and new ideas can be implemented. Just give a DLC or update one the years in between

[dat boi Q]

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Thats not entirely true. Madden wanted this game to be a sim first and foremost to teach kids the fundamentals and basics of football. He wanted it as real as possible.

Of course over the years EA has strayed away from this basically out of pure laziness and time constraints.

I think Madden should come out every two years. So the game is polished, refined and new ideas can be implemented. Just give a DLC or update one the years in between

Two years three years it won't matter if EA main goal isn't for the game to be sim. No matter what madden wanted, EA still owns the game they just put his name on it. Yea they may have gotten some feed back and feed him some of that b.s. like they feed those game changers how they want the game to be sim.
But by now everyone should be over thinking this game is going to be be a fully sim game. By now if they wanted a sim game we would have had one years ago.
You want to know who this game is made for,just go to YouTube and search madden 25 and look at the guys EA sent early copies to. I mean most of these guys no nothing about real football and these are the guys they want feedback on how to make the game better. EA is good at playing both sides of the fence. Next gen won't be any different. So stop getting your hopes up for it.
It will be better but is that really saying that much.