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  • Bushido
    Pro
    • Jul 2011
    • 691

    #1

    3-4 scheme?

    Have any of you had success running the 3-4 in Madden this year? Or are guys like Aldon Smith and Terrell Suggs useless?
  • StevenSD
    MVP
    • Sep 2013
    • 1764

    #2
    Re: 3-4 scheme?

    I always have success with a 3-4 defense... well at least as much success as Madden gives defenses every year.

    What problems are you having? Rushing the passer?

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    • ajra21
      MVP
      • Oct 2011
      • 2170

      #3
      Re: 3-4 scheme?

      Originally posted by Bushido
      Have any of you had success running the 3-4 in Madden this year? Or are guys like Aldon Smith and Terrell Suggs useless?
      Not useless, though I often move Aldon to LOLB to take advantage of the weak RT bug.

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      • Bushido
        Pro
        • Jul 2011
        • 691

        #4
        Re: 3-4 scheme?

        Originally posted by StevenSD
        I always have success with a 3-4 defense... well at least as much success as Madden gives defenses every year.

        What problems are you having? Rushing the passer?
        Yes, my OLB arent getting any pressure at all

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        • Bushido
          Pro
          • Jul 2011
          • 691

          #5
          Re: 3-4 scheme?

          Originally posted by ajra21
          Not useless, though I often move Aldon to LOLB to take advantage of the weak RT bug.
          What is the RT bug?

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          • sdznfmdkguwen
            Rookie
            • Sep 2013
            • 15

            #6
            Re: 3-4 scheme?

            What problems are you having?

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            • sdznfmdkguwen
              Rookie
              • Sep 2013
              • 15

              #7
              Re: 3-4 scheme?

              What problems are you having?

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              • Bushido
                Pro
                • Jul 2011
                • 691

                #8
                Re: 3-4 scheme?

                Originally posted by sdznfmdkguwen
                What problems are you having?
                My OLB's aren't pressuring the QB,

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                • StevenSD
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 1764

                  #9
                  Re: 3-4 scheme?

                  Are you playing CCM or just head 2 head?

                  If you are playing CCM, focus on the line first, if you don't have a d-line that is high in block shedding, strength and power moves, I've found it hard to pressure the QB. You want to get guys rated high in those areas (speed and accel are a plus), because if you don't have guys that can occupy a blocker or two, then your linebackers would find it tough to get free in the backfield.

                  The worst pass blocker on an o-line is usually the RT, so I'd line you're best rusher on that end as well as your best defensive end on that side too. From there it's a matter of alignments and techniques of your OLBs, do they have the swim, power, finesse etc unlocked? Also are they rated high in block shedding, power moves, etc? If not, raise their ratings up with xp or scout for players that are already high in those areas. You can also draft 4-3 DE pass rushers and move them to OLB in a 3-4 as well.

                  Also, another way to gain more pressure is to slightly move an edge rushers either two the right or left of a formation to get an extra step or two up field... this is something the Titans would do in a 4-3 that I kind of adapted into my 3-4, it forces the tackle to focus on that edge rusher which would either open up a lane, or you could beat him using the right analog. But be careful though, because if they run it you are leaving a nice hole for them to go into.

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                  • hotsauceme
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 97

                    #10
                    Re: 3-4 scheme?

                    At first I was having trouble rushing the passer with my Steelers 3 4 as well, but I found something that works. Any blitz that you run what I do is I pick a linebacker pre-snap and then I let the computer control the linebacker until the linebacker makes contact with linemen and you can tell the contact by when your controller starts to vibrate. When your controller starts to vibrate hold the right stick to perform a pretty slick pass rush move
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                    • Mikeatris
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 125

                      #11
                      Re: 3-4 scheme?

                      I love the 3-4, it is all I really use besides the dime. I never really rush the passer as can get automatic pressure on them when I spread my LBs out. I use the 4-3 rarely but I like to mix it up. I only use the Pats D as it is a hybrid 3-4 and 4-3 so I can have the best of both worlds. Plus 3-4 is great at disguising coverages for the run and pass and it recovers well to its base align defense if you try to show a blitz.
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                      • Dawg1919
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 46

                        #12
                        Re: 3-4 scheme?

                        I have tried to use the 3-4 but I still get better pressure with the 4-3. And here's why. The 3-4 lineman "should" suck up the right and left tackles but the don't. When blitzing an OLB, the guards slide over and pick up the ends and the tackle then slides over and picks up the OLB.

                        However, the ends in the 4-3 take on the tackles. Now I don't always blitz, but when I do. I like to use a fast safety or nickel back and bring them right tight to the defensive end. And now that the tackles are occupied, this allows a free shot. The DB's make great pass rushers and the 4-3 ends always take on the tackles. If your opponent does not keep a back or TE in to block. The DB will either get a sack or at least make the QB throw sooner than he wants. This works better against the cpu than humans. Against humans, you have to leave your nickel back in his featured position as a corner, and the blitz will take a second longer to get to the QB. Obviously, if you bring your blitzing corner in tight, the human opponent will make the obvious adjustments. (unless you dupe him by not blitzing and let him fall back into coverage)

                        Now I'm sure their are 3-4 experts who can make my scheme work for them. But I know my 4-3 so well. The other trouble is matchups with the 3-4. The more receivers your opponent throws out there, it usually means you have to pull your beloved LB's off the field (usually).

                        BTW I am a Tampa 2 style guy.
                        Last edited by Dawg1919; 09-19-2013, 12:30 PM.

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                        • ggsimmonds
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 11235

                          #13
                          Re: 3-4 scheme?

                          I am having too much success with it in my Ravens CFM.

                          Suggs had 21 sacks in week 15 but alas broke his ribs so no record for him.
                          Doom has 14 on the year.
                          Ngata, Canty, and Jones each have 6.

                          Playing on all-madden with Charter's sliders as a base.
                          Relevant sliders:
                          human pass d reaction: 40
                          pass coverage: 30
                          CPU pass block: 60

                          I m getting too many sacks but they are also realistic. The AI QB is bad about holding on to the ball and does not understand what a 3 step drop is. My problem is not a slider or pass rush problem, but a AI playcall and adjustment problem.

                          **Also it is not a sack or nothing at all deal. Many times I get simple pressure and force a bad throw**

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                          • ajra21
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 2170

                            #14
                            Re: 3-4 scheme?

                            Originally posted by Bushido
                            What is the RT bug?
                            In M13, the RT was easy to beat. A clear bug. This year, it's not so bad but it still seems a little easier to beat the RT than the LT, even when the RT is better player.

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                            • ggsimmonds
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 11235

                              #15
                              Re: 3-4 scheme?

                              Originally posted by ajra21
                              In M13, the RT was easy to beat. A clear bug. This year, it's not so bad but it still seems a little easier to beat the RT than the LT, even when the RT is better player.
                              And rather than fix it, it seems EA and Donny Moore are embracing it because most teams now have their best pass rusher on the left (offense's right) side matched up with the RT.

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