Why Will Next Gen Be Different?

[tdogg097]

Re: Why Will Next Gen Be Different?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-next-gen.html

My bad, LOL. Nothing came up when I typed in that title.

[PantherBeast_OS]

Re: Why Will Next Gen Be Different?

No doubt. I just want a game that can finally end my love affair with APF 2k8. That's all I want from EA/Tiburon. Make me forget NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8. Until they do that every game will be a failure in my eyes.

And I agree with you totally. Aside Madden07 and Madden11 that I still play until this very day. Every other Madden game I bought this current gen I sold 2 weeks later because I just don't like the feel of the game play or other stuff like that. I want a solid game to start out next gen. I'm not asking a lot from EA. Just make sure the Owner mode is not glitch or bug filled and make sure the game play is more solid on there then current gen is then I would be happy.

[Callsign Stitch]

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People never do research. Heard of something called the Ignite Engine?

[LBzrule]

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No doubt. I just want a game that can finally end my love affair with APF 2k8. That's all I want from EA/Tiburon. Make me forget NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8. Until they do that every game will be a failure in my eyes.

For me they don't even have to do that. They just need to stop the base bottom programming and making every team the same. It's like they look at Eagles vs Redskins and say yeah, we will program the game so the Eagles can do that against everyone, including the Chiefs, who they got steamrolled by and other teams. They get too many NFL fads and overpower them. Brittle a$$ Michael Vick running over linebackers and stepping on their chest to 90 yard runs from the damn Shotgun Heavy Panther. It's lame. You have to play outside of fundamentals and forget everything about technique and find "plays" that stop "plays." Rubbish I'm not saying NFL defensive coordinators do not dial up certain stunts to deal with things, but I sure as hell haven't seen it as an all game strategy or else we are going to get gashed type thing.

[Brooke2011]

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Why? That's a good question. My biggest fear is that all my player edits, custom playbooks, custom created players, custom sliders will be wasted when I trade in my old system for Next Gen. I want trashing all that to be worth the purchasing of a new system and Madden.

My gut tells me that there has to be a significant difference ,because there is no way EA can hide from the obvious of just porting madden over to the Next Gen.

With that said, I honestly think the player faces and lighting will be noticeable from when you power on the system. The stadiums and sidelines should be closer to the real thing.

What I want to see the most is true interaction on the field. I want all of the quirks that hindered madden 25 on current gen be fixed or adjusted so that thier is a smoother interaction between the players. ( this is we're I think that there will be no difference this year.)

With that said Madden 25 should provide a new shiny paint job , but the the engine is still in need of an oil change

But then again I've always been a pessimist

[dghustla]

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I wish ppl would stop comparing current gen's launch to this next gen launch. I know it is the only point of reference for some, but believe it or not times have changed. Technology advances at an exponential rate. 10 years is a life time in terms of technology. Considering that all of the major studios have had access to the tech required to make it possible to design a next gen game engine in advance of it's release. I'm expecting to see polished products. Obviously they aren't going to be the best offerings next gen has to offer.

Someone said launch titles usually suck. When I read stuff like that, I personally feel like it's a cop-out that ppl are using to convince themselves they don't want to buy a next gen console this year. If you are going to play Madden,2k,COD,BF4,Watch Dogs, Fifa, AC why would you not want to play those on a next gen console instead of the a current gen? Even if the games are mostly ports (which all of the developers have come out and said they are not ports. Citing Watch Dogs reps there will be a noticeable increase in the amount of NPCs on the streets in watch dogs next gen making the city feel more alive and crowded). The consoles have their own set of unique features that provide a different playing experience than on current gen.

Back on topic (sorry for rant). Even if Madden 25 is just a port with better graphics, enhanced sidelines and crowds. Is it not an upgrade? It may not be the monumental advancement some are hoping for. But in the end it would still be a better game than it's current gen counterpart.

[roll2tide]

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My concerns with NextGen are the things that plagued EA with this Gen. IMHO, the problems were never hardware limitations such as some calculations per second number....the problems were a lack of innovation, lack of follow-through on new features (ie, sticking with and improving new features), a serious lack of proper implementation, and a long string of excuses for all of the above.

"New innovations" would be introduced each year only to disappear the next. The excuse was always "well, this is just the 1st year....wait til next year. Cool little features would go away while menus and sliders just became more tedious.


EA needs to, IMHO, make the basics actually function properly first, and then look to innovate from there. Right now, they've done absolutely nothing to make us believe they are capable of this but this is the only thing available so.....

[Dogslax41]

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I wish ppl would stop comparing current gen's launch to this next gen launch. I know it is the only point of reference for some, but believe it or not times have changed. Technology advances at an exponential rate. 10 years is a life time in terms of technology. Considering that all of the major studios have had access to the tech required to make it possible to design a next gen game engine in advance of it's release. I'm expecting to see polished products. Obviously they aren't going to be the best offerings next gen has to offer.

Someone said launch titles usually suck. When I read stuff like that, I personally feel like it's a cop-out that ppl are using to convince themselves they don't want to buy a next gen console this year. If you are going to play Madden,2k,COD,BF4,Watch Dogs, Fifa, AC why would you not want to play those on a next gen console instead of the a current gen? Even if the games are mostly ports (which all of the developers have come out and said they are not ports. Citing Watch Dogs reps there will be a noticeable increase in the amount of NPCs on the streets in watch dogs next gen making the city feel more alive and crowded). The consoles have their own set of unique features that provide a different playing experience than on current gen.

Back on topic (sorry for rant). Even if Madden 25 is just a port with better graphics, enhanced sidelines and crowds. Is it not an upgrade? It may not be the monumental advancement some are hoping for. But in the end it would still be a better game than it's current gen counterpart.

Were you not around in 2006 when Madden was "ported" over to the new gen? It was not an upgrade it was a 180 in the opposite direction Madden 2005 on the XBox and PS2 were 100x the game that Madden 2006 on the 360 and PS3 were. Your entire argument is invalidated by exactly what people are referencing as the only time EA has tried to execute transitioning Madden to the more advanced system.

When a game is programmed with one console in mind, moving that game over to another console is going to be a major problem unless the developer has had two individual teams working on it. That usually doesnt happen due to cost infrastructure. EA supposedly did that with Madden, but the only time that EA has tried transitioning Madden it was a complete and utter failure. Not that much of a stretch to fear a repeat.

And sorry but if you are going to buy a developer saying the game isn't a port hook line and sinker then I have some property I want to sell you.

[dghustla]

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Were you not around in 2006 when Madden was "ported" over to the new gen? It was not an upgrade it was a 180 in the opposite direction Madden 2005 on the XBox and PS2 were 100x the game that Madden 2006 on the 360 and PS3 were. Your entire argument is invalidated by exactly what people are referencing as the only time EA has tried to execute transitioning Madden to the more advanced system.

When a game is programmed with one console in mind, moving that game over to another console is going to be a major problem unless the developer has had two individual teams working on it. That usually doesnt happen due to cost infrastructure. EA supposedly did that with Madden, but the only time that EA has tried transitioning Madden it was a complete and utter failure. Not that much of a stretch to fear a repeat.

Yeah I was also around when Madden went from ps1 to ps2 and I also played madden on super Nintendo and N64. So no 2006 wasn't the only time that EA changed systems. The video gaming industry is much larger now and way more advanced than it was in 06. Some may choose to ignore that and continue to base their expectations on a single event that transpired 7 years ago. Others may choose to embrace that the developers and the console makers learned from their previous mistakes and took steps to insure there won't be a repeat of prior events.

I love how everyone not buying a new system calls those whose are buying new systems naive because they feel that the games will play better than their current gen equivalents.

The title of this thread is Why Next Gen, and not "Why not next gen".

[dallas fan]

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Other than the new touted foot plant technology that is shared across all EA games with Ignite, I fully expect Nxt Gen Madden to be a carbon copy as far as menus and modes/sliders/franchise etc. The silly xp points system will remain and nothing will be changed from current gen outside of gameplay. I do expect the visuals to be cleaner with better sidelines and stadium detail. That being said, I saw nothing in the demo of Peterson running the ball in the empty stadium that made me think that the core game engine is different, besides foot planting being cleaned up, the tackles and running animations looked exactly like current M25. If anything I believe EA Tiburon will add several new animations and new O-line/D-line interaction animations but the game will more than likely still carry over several of the same troubles and broken aspects that we all know and hate. I would love to see more realistic goal line action, that is something Madden has never gotten right. No piles to dive over, every player just stands there as the RB tries to weave through a hole for a TD. Ridiculous!

[roadman]

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When a game is programmed with one console in mind, moving that game over to another console is going to be a major problem unless the developer has had two individual teams working on it. That usually doesnt happen due to cost infrastructure. EA supposedly did that with Madden, but the only time that EA has tried transitioning Madden it was a complete and utter failure. Not that much of a stretch to fear a repeat.

So, if they had separate teams for this transition, and we know that Kolbe is on the next gen team, and they only had one team for the last old gen to new gen, wouldn't one assume it would be a better transition and maybe they learned a lesson?

There's no reason to not have hope, either.

Also agree with rolltide, put one item on, take one item off, etc..... but there were others that were just as puzzling that I was happy to see taken off. Ring bearer, build a fan, lazer light training, weapons, etc...

[Dogslax41]

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So, if they had separate teams for this transition, and we know that Kolbe is on the next gen team, and they only had one team for the last old gen to new gen, wouldn't one assume it would be a better transition and maybe they learned a lesson?

There's no reason to not have hope, either.

Also agree with rolltide, put one item on, take one item off, etc..... but there were others that were just as puzzling that I was happy to see taken off. Ring bearer, build a fan, lazer light training, weapons, etc...

My whole point was that track record justifies people's fears. No one knows one way or another because we are two months out and the has been one tech demo released. Is there hope, yes but to blast peoples concerns and say I don't understand why people are concerned about Madden next gen is just as bad as those that say for certain it's going to be a failure.

His argument was why would you not buy next gen when it's available. My point was 2006 is why not.

[Dogslax41]

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Yeah I was also around when Madden went from ps1 to ps2 and I also played madden on super Nintendo and N64. So no 2006 wasn't the only time that EA changed systems. The video gaming industry is much larger now and way more advanced than it was in 06. Some may choose to ignore that and continue to base their expectations on a single event that transpired 7 years ago. Others may choose to embrace that the developers and the console makers learned from their previous mistakes and took steps to insure there won't be a repeat of prior events.

I love how everyone not buying a new system calls those whose are buying new systems naive because they feel that the games will play better than their current gen equivalents.

The title of this thread is Why Next Gen, and not "Why not next gen".

Technology advances is not the point. EAs ability to execute on new technology is the concern. I'm hopeful they have put a proper plan in place but their last attempt, lack of information and year to year current gen progression has me concerned.

[dghustla]

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Technology advances is not the point. EAs ability to execute on new technology is the concern. I'm hopeful they have put a proper plan in place but their last attempt, lack of information and year to year current gen progression has me concerned.

I'm concerned also but I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Although I do see Madden as a flawed game. I find it to be an enjoyable playing experience for a few months. The way I see it is this. Will there be monumental advancements; no. EA has stated that Madden next gen has added over 300 OL/DL interaction animations and "living sidelines". Since everything else has been under wraps we don't know if there will be any changes to the passing game, WR/DB interaction, penalties, injuries etc.. So if you like current gen Madden i think it's safe to say you will like next gen madden. If you didn't like current gen madden 25 then i think it's safe to say you will not like next gen madden 25. Unless EA is holding back several bombshells I will use the term "port" loosely meaning I do not expect a list of game changing features to be announced. EA has mentioned Human intelligence as a key to the ignite engine only time will tell how if at all that impacts the cpu gameplay

[Dogslax41]

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I'm concerned also but I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Although I do see Madden as a flawed game. I find it to be an enjoyable playing experience for a few months. The way I see it is this. Will there be monumental advancements; no. EA has stated that Madden next gen has added over 300 OL/DL interaction animations and "living sidelines". Since everything else has been under wraps we don't know if there will be any changes to the passing game, WR/DB interaction, penalties, injuries etc.. So if you like current gen Madden i think it's safe to say you will like next gen madden. If you didn't like current gen madden 25 then i think it's safe to say you will not like next gen madden 25. Unless EA is holding back several bombshells I will use the term "port" loosely meaning I do not expect a list of game changing features to be announced. EA has mentioned Human intelligence as a key to the ignite engine only time will tell how if at all that impacts the cpu gameplay

Honestly if they just beef up the run defense and fix some of the game breaking issues from current gen (draft class repeat, players disappearing from rosters) along with cleaning up some annoying things (replay issues, player specific celebrations not occurring in the opposite end zone where no other teammates are around) then add some of the window dressing they have talked about I will be more than pleased. Unlike others I thought the Peterson tech demo looked like a very different and much improved game but given current gen, the last thing that needs to happen is the rushing game getting more attention. Show me Peterson getting stuffed for no gain and I'm happier then watching him hurdle defenders in open space.