Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

[Rocky]

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Yeah it's just amazing how everyone kisses 2k's *** even when their games are poor. But when their marketing is poor and the game is good, they blame the consumers for their sales. The same consumers who kiss their *** no matter what with the motto that 2k can do no wrong and doesn't make bad games.

But MLB and NBA 2k9 took a step back. NHL 2k9 was a waste of budget, and now they won't release another football game, because they left out customization features that would have gave the game more life. Not to mention the poor advertisements with the ancient rappers with 2 seconds highlights of the game. I mean who's idea was that. As dope as some people thought it was to so many. It was crap. You want to advertise football with hip hop, use current artist and good artist, Eminem, Dre, Ludacris, Bow wow, even Triple Six Mafia would have made a better rap commercial. Imagine them flowing,"I ain't play wicha!" while showing monster hits in the game and the player model opening up a new can of whoop *** on the offense.

They just aren't creative when it comes to advertisement.

LOL. You really have no clue. The same people are working on 3 games at the same time. Do you know how difficult that is? Do you know what budgeting, project management, and resource allocation that entails? And now you want them to shell out money to get Ludacris and Dr. Dre?

LOL.

Take-2/VC is a business. A fully customizable football game wasn't good for business. Hell, even a college basketball game wasn't good for business.

[spankdatazz22]

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LOL. You really have no clue.

So true

[tcp]

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Had 2K made APF totally customizable, then there would be a market. Winning Eleven stood with FIFA for years having all-generic teams and unquestionably better gameplay.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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2K has really pissed me off these past couple of years. If not for my love of APF and the NBA 2K series, I probably would've given up on them a long time ago. They just fall short in so many areas it's not even funny. It's almost like they don't want to be a successful company.

[raidersbball20]

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this game will never happen

[spit_bubble]

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The only thing 2K should do for the next (hypothetical) APF is go to a subscription based model... It's the only way they'll have a chance.

People paid $20 for ESPN NFL 2K5 five years ago, and are still playing it today. Consider if they had a subscription based plan in place back then, and charged people $10-$15 a year... Multiply that by 5, minus the cost of servers...

Well, I'm pullin' these numbers outta nowhere... But you get the idea... The service of gaming is potentially more profitable than producing a single hard copy.

Heck, all games should go by subscription... And probably will fairly soon. It just makes sense.

[Behindshadows]

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LOL. You really have no clue. The same people are working on 3 games at the same time. Do you know how difficult that is? Do you know what budgeting, project management, and resource allocation that entails? And now you want them to shell out money to get Ludacris and Dr. Dre?

LOL.

Take-2/VC is a business. A fully customizable football game wasn't good for business. Hell, even a college basketball game wasn't good for business.

No you really have no clue, I've worked the industry for years, not to mention I've done marketing for over 6 years for Primeco, Verizon, and ATT Wireless! I know how to market, and I know budgets and dead lines. So obviously I'm not the one who doesn't know.

I've also worked for a large gaming company for over 5 years in my life and I know how that works too. So why characters like you and Spankdatazz who agrees with you a lot don't have a real clue, I've worked that field and I know how it works first hand! To get a few up to date rappers to do some things for them for a 60 second commercial wouldn't have hurt their budget what so ever. I've known Ludacris to do promotions himself for free just because he liked a company and sometimes it doesn't cost them much at all to get them because it's good PR, to get them a new track on a video game that will later on an album. You never know until you ask! Fact is they didn't take the chance or risk. 2k doesn't take the risk that is their downfall.

And EA has up to date artist, big artist who have done music for them from the jump of all their games Live, Madden, NCAA, etc. You name it, they've gotten real artist to do it, not to mention their advertising kicks 2k's in the nutts. 2ksports spent almost 3 million in advertising GTA IV, but couldn't even budget 500 thousand for APF! That's a bunch of crap.

[umd]

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No you really have no clue, I've worked the industry for years, not to mention I've done marketing for over 6 years for Primeco, Verizon, and ATT Wireless! I know how to market, and I know budgets and dead lines. So obviously I'm not the one who doesn't know.

I've also worked for a large gaming company for over 5 years in my life and I know how that works too. So why characters like you and Spankdatazz who agrees with you a lot don't have a real clue, I've worked that field and I know how it works first hand! To get a few up to date rappers to do some things for them for a 60 second commercial wouldn't have hurt their budget what so ever. I've known Ludacris to do promotions himself for free just because he liked a company and sometimes it doesn't cost them much at all to get them because it's good PR, to get them a new track on a video game that will later on an album. You never know until you ask! Fact is they didn't take the chance or risk. 2k doesn't take the risk that is their downfall.

And EA has up to date artist, big artist who have done music for them from the jump of all their games Live, Madden, NCAA, etc. You name it, they've gotten real artist to do it, not to mention their advertising kicks 2k's in the nutts. 2ksports spent almost 3 million in advertising GTA IV, but couldn't even budget 500 thousand for APF! That's a bunch of crap.

you're in the wrong forum again fanboy. Don't you have gameplay videos to "produce" touting "great gameplay" using questionable playcalling? Say like the run game in Madden being awesome, when all that is called is nickel and dime cover plays in your videos?

Save your fake resume and rah-rah videos for the people in the EA forums who care. Keep pining for an EA "marketing" job somewhere else.

APF "failing" has nothing to do w/ properly licensed music soundtracks. It has to do w/ no NFL license and lack of full customization. Period.

[spankdatazz22]

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Yeah it's just amazing how everyone kisses 2k's *** even when their games are poor. But when their marketing is poor and the game is good, they blame the consumers for their sales. The same consumers who kiss their *** no matter what with the motto that 2k can do no wrong and doesn't make bad games.

How much more can you contradict yourself? You basically want to call out 2K for your perception of their making bad games and poor marketing, and also call out 2K fans for presumably blindly buying the bad games. Don't be so transparent. And yet laughably you think you're an unbiased EA/2K gamer.

2K had a fine tightrope to walk in trying to develop a non-licensed football game. All this talk about "all they had to do is make it fully customizable [so people could make psuedo-NFL teams]" in order for it to be successful is completely ridiculous. The "give us a template and the community will provide" is a falsehood. Even popular community rosters for a game like NBA2K9 aren't all that popular when taking into account the total number of people that purchase the game. I don't think I've seen any roster downloaded more than 5000 times, and most are much less than that. That's a fraction of the number of people that purchased 2K9. That's a fraction of the number of people that purchased APF2K8. And it's not because they didn't have Ludacris in a commercial hyping the feature.

There's very little margin of error to developing a non-licensed game imo. Even if they nailed every aspect of the game, it'd still be a hard sell. As much as I love NBA2K9's gameplay, you remove the NBA/players licenses and the game becomes a lot less appealing. Your ridiculous belief that there are millions of 2K fans that are completely unwilling to buy Madden - out of hate lol - is just silly. As I said to you before, if there were so many people holding holding that much hatred for EA/Madden, I would think more of them would've purchased APF just out of spite. And no, they wouldn't have needed Lil' Wayne in a commercial telling them to. I know people point to Winning Eleven as a model to go by, but to my knowledge WE was an established title before they lost the FIFA license. And they had the benefit of being far superior in terms of gameplay. Now that FIFA has narrowed the gap (or from what it seems surpassed WE) they have a distinct advantage of having FIFA exclusivity. I'm not a soccer fan, but from what I've read that's my perception.

I agree 2K could've marketed the game better and the game should've been far less restrictive. But ultimately there were a lot of things that factored into the game's performance financially, not just those two things.

[Behindshadows]

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you're in the wrong forum again fanboy. Don't you have gameplay videos to "produce" touting "great gameplay" using questionable playcalling. Say the run game in Madden being awesome, when all that is called is nickel and dime cover plays?

Save your fake resume for the people in the EA forums who care.

APF "failing" has nothing to do w/ properly licensed music soundtracks. It has to do w/ no NFL license and lack of full customization. Period.

Fanboy? Are you joking? You must be! I have been the largest 2k guy on OS and you try to call me that, not to mention I've been doing things each year to keep this game alive along with ESPN Football, so shut up! I would say other words but it's against TOS. I love how jokers like you and other little kids want to call people fanboys when they criticize a company! Fact is my formal favorite company is failing in all directions and I'm pissed, and even more pissed that they don't make conscious efforts to really go all out. Take Two is the death of 2ksports.

But I'm a fanboy of EA even though I own almost every damn 2ksports game ever made, besides the ones I traded in which is around 4!






You really need to grow up and realize when someone criticizes a company doesn't make them a fanboy of the other company. Just means at some point there is a disgust with them regardless of who they are, you are the so called fanboy because you can't see them talked bad about.

2ksports is falling off enough said! And Take Two's poor budget and crappy marketing is killing them. Not to mention they are constantly canceling games that don't need to be canceled. College Hoops ring a bell.

How much more can you contradict yourself? You basically want to call out 2K for your perception of their making bad games and poor marketing, and also call out 2K fans for presumably blindly buying the bad games. Don't be so transparent. And yet laughably you think you're an unbiased EA/2K gamer.

2K had a fine tightrope to walk in trying to develop a non-licensed football game. All this talk about "all they had to do is make it fully customizable [so people could make psuedo-NFL teams]" in order for it to be successful is completely ridiculous. The "give us a template and the community will provide" is a falsehood. Even popular community rosters for a game like NBA2K9 aren't all that popular when taking into account the total number of people that purchase the game. I don't think I've seen any roster downloaded more than 5000 times, and most are much less than that. That's a fraction of the number of people that purchased 2K9. And it's not because they didn't have Ludacris in a commercial hyping the feature.

There's very little margin of error to developing a non-licensed game imo. Even if they nailed every aspect of the game, it'd still be a hard sell. As much as I love NBA2K9's gameplay, you remove the NBA/players licenses and the game becomes a lot less appealing. Your ridiculous belief that there are millions of 2K fans that are completely unwilling to buy Madden - out of hate lol - is just silly. As I said to you before, if there were so many people holding holding that much hatred for EA/Madden, I would think more of them would've purchased APF just out of spite. And no, they wouldn't have needed Lil' Wayne in a commercial telling them to. I know people point to Winning Eleven as a model to go by, but to my knowledge WE was an established title before they lost the FIFA license. And they had the benefit of being far superior in terms of gameplay. Now that FIFA has narrowed the gap (or from what it seems surpassed WE) they have a distinct advantage of having FIFA exclusivity. I'm not a soccer fan, but from what I've read that's my perception.

I agree 2K could've marketed the game better and the game should've been far less restrictive. But ultimately there were a lot of things that factored into the game's performance financially, not just those two things.

I haven't contradicted anything and I don't give a **** if you ever buy Madden I could care less. I'm saying that regardless if you buy it or not the license is where it is. I'm not saying don't buy 2k's game, I'm saying,"be ****ing honest when they **** up"!

That is what has happened to 2kfans they don't and won't admit when they are being burned by a company. 2ksports is messing up and they are messing up bad. And by not releasing another APF is like kicking us all in the face, not to mention releasing APF 2k8 with those shady and limited customizations was like a slap in the face. I mean come on we can't even use the cpu created teams or edit them. Don't you get tired of playing two teams against one another, and 3 guys got the same number, or emmitt smith is the RB for both teams and you can't edit it. Be real with yourselves and for once show some disgust when how we are being limited to every damn thing. They act like since the license is gone, they can't be creative and just give us solid 2k football with a option to customize and edit to almost giving us a semi-NFL.

Again Winning Eleven has done it for years to counter Fifa and it plays better.

[umd]

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Fanboy? Are you joking? You must be! I have been the largest 2k guy on OS and you try to call me that, not to mention I've been doing things each year to keep this game alive along with ESPN Football, so shut up! I would say other words but it's against TOS. I love how jokers like you and other little kids want to call people fanboys when they criticize a company! Fact is my formal favorite company is failing in all directions and I'm pissed, and even more pissed that they don't make conscious efforts to really go all out. Take Two is the death of 2ksports.

But I'm a fanboy of EA even though I own almost every damn 2ksports game ever made, besides the ones I traded in which is around 4!






You really need to grow up and realize when someone criticizes a company doesn't make them a fanboy of the other company. Just means at some point there is a disgust with them regardless of who they are, you are the so called fanboy because you can't see them talked bad about.

2ksports is falling off enough said! And Take Two's poor budget and crappy marketing is killing them. Not to mention they are constantly canceling games that don't need to be canceled. College Hoops ring a bell.

Save your pictures. Everyone has games from companies they don't care for because they enjoy the sport. Try again. People are tired of listening to you.

[Behindshadows]

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Save your pictures. Everyone has games from companies they don't care for because they enjoy the sport. Try again. People are tired of listening to you.

Again Grow up! And keep your comments to yourself, you just got own and now people are tired? No you are tired! And no one buys 10 years of every damn game for a company they don't like, you can kill that noise!

Sometimes a sound voice is a good voice, learn to take criticism, or should I say learn to hear the truth! Fact is 2k is burning us now, rather it's political and not purposely. They are messing us over, and honestly if they want to stay in business they are really going to have to push another APF to keep football fans at bay, and they are really going to have to get that graphics engine to a new level to keep up with the masses.

All I'm saying they need to dig deep in the roots to what made them great for so many years and build off it, and build in a major way for 2k10!

[umd]

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Again Grow up! And keep your comments to yourself, you just got own and now people are tired. No you are tired! And no one buys 10 years of every damn game for a company they don't like, you can kill that noise!

Owned! Wow. You're a clown. Take it back where you came from.

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That is what has happened to 2kfans they don't and won't admit when they are being burned by a company. 2ksports is messing up and they are messing up bad. And by not releasing another APF is like kicking us all in the face, not to mention releasing APF 2k8 with those shady and limited customizations was like a slap in the face. I mean come on we can't even use the cpu created teams or edit them. Don't you get tired of playing two teams against one another, and 3 guys got the same number, or emmitt smith is the RB for both teams and you can't edit it. Be real with yourselves and for once show some disgust when how we are being limited to every damn thing. They act like since the license is gone, they can't be creative and just give us solid 2k football with a option to customize and edit to almost giving us a semi-NFL.

Again Winning Eleven has done it for years to counter Fifa and it plays better.

Lol okay, I don't know how it's a "slap to the face" that they attempted to make a non-licensed game and it wasn't everything you wanted it to be. It seems like you're wanting people to show disgust/outrage for where you perceive 2K as having made missteps. They could've done nothing, frankly - it's not like any developer is trying to fail on purpose. One, you shouldn't lump everyone under this generic 2Kfan umbrella, believing that no one thinks they can do wrong. Obviously no one's arguing they could've done certain things better; in retrospect I think it's foolish you can't modify the existing teams or play your own creations against each other without using two controllers.

But I can also see the situation in the way they may have viewed it. I can see where it makes sense not to want to base the success of their product on the hope that people would turn it into a "semi-NFL" game. Or that a semi-NFL game would even be successful. The few hundred people on this forum willing to take time to customize doesn't necessarily translate to the general gaming public. As I've said many times, you create a poll on what they think a 2K football game should be and you get a ton of answers - high school game, college game, USFL game, psuedo-NFL game, etc. All expecting the depth of an accomplished title - needs franchise, needs an established draft/recruiting system, established contract system, progression model, etc. A helluva lot of things to expect. They were basically trying to create a new football game completely from scratch with no foundation to base things off of. Winning Eleven to my knowledge was an established title before they lost the FIFA license. And to my understanding they don't maintain the same gameplay advantages over FIFA that they once had - which only makes sense; WE is operating at a disadvantage without the license.

[Rocky]

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No you really have no clue, I've worked the industry for years, not to mention I've done marketing for over 6 years for Primeco, Verizon, and ATT Wireless! I know how to market, and I know budgets and dead lines. So obviously I'm not the one who doesn't know.

I've also worked for a large gaming company for over 5 years in my life and I know how that works too. So why characters like you and Spankdatazz who agrees with you a lot don't have a real clue, I've worked that field and I know how it works first hand! To get a few up to date rappers to do some things for them for a 60 second commercial wouldn't have hurt their budget what so ever. I've known Ludacris to do promotions himself for free just because he liked a company and sometimes it doesn't cost them much at all to get them because it's good PR, to get them a new track on a video game that will later on an album. You never know until you ask! Fact is they didn't take the chance or risk. 2k doesn't take the risk that is their downfall.


And EA has up to date artist, big artist who have done music for them from the jump of all their games Live, Madden, NCAA, etc. You name it, they've gotten real artist to do it, not to mention their advertising kicks 2k's in the nutts. 2ksports spent almost 3 million in advertising GTA IV, but couldn't even budget 500 thousand for APF! That's a bunch of crap.

You're making these claims (I've worked the industry for 5 years!, I own every single 2K sports game to date!), yet it's not doing anything to prove your point.

Why even compare 2K Sports and EA Sports' budget? That's like comparing Nike's advertising budget to Puma's....especially when exclusive licenses are now in place.

You are seriously expecting 2K to do a huge marketing push on a football game without real teams and players? They could have been more creative in promoting APF2K8. Alot of common sense things could've helped the game sell more (lower price point, release date), but to say that they should've broke the bank on APF2K8 lacks any real business sense.