Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

[wrestlinggod1]

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why is everyone hating on my main man shadows?

[Rocky]

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why is everyone hating on my main man shadows?

Nobody is hating on anybody. Hopefully some people can disagree without getting hyper-defensive.

[tcp]

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You're making these claims (I've worked the industry for 5 years!, I own every single 2K sports game to date!), yet it's not doing anything to prove your point.

Why even compare 2K Sports and EA Sports' budget? That's like comparing Nike's advertising budget to Puma's....especially when exclusive licenses are now in place.

You are seriously expecting 2K to do a huge marketing push on a football game without real teams and players? They could have been more creative in promoting APF2K8. Alot of common sense things could've helped the game sell more (lower price point, release date), but to say that they should've broke the bank on APF2K8 lacks any real business sense.

2K missed the ball. What's a better 'ad' than a whole gaming community jumping in, modding the graphics, creating players, teams, stadiums etc etc etc.

I agree they should not have broken the bank but they did not conduct themselves well after the game was released. It was like "Here's the nextgen version of 2k5... bye!". Too bad. I wonder when will a company do something in that sense of customization and actually support modding. I would buy that in a second.

[gjsii13]

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Okay

People need to stop questioning BehindShadows

He is one of the BIGGEST 2k supporters on this forum and busts his *** helping with NFL 2k5.

You people need to do some more research on what your talking about.

BehindShadows is not a Madden fanboy lol

That actually makes me laugh

[kcxiv]

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While alot of us want that fully customizable game, they higher ups have to weigh in on this. They have to see if they can make money off it, if they pour all their money into it and the game tanks, then what? We could all sit here and say, well at least they tried, but trying doesnt make them money. No other company has even tried to make a generic simulation football game outside of 2K. Its just really risky.

I would love to have one, i could say, oh do this and do that and it will work, but i really dont know if it would work. I could act like it, but we just dont know. The hardcores will buy it, but the hardcores do not make them money, ask EA.

[tcp]

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While alot of us want that fully customizable game, they higher ups have to weigh in on this. They have to see if they can make money off it, if they pour all their money into it and the game tanks, then what? We could all sit here and say, well at least they tried, but trying doesnt make them money. No other company has even tried to make a generic simulation football game outside of 2K. Its just really risky.

I would love to have one, i could say, oh do this and do that and it will work, but i really dont know if it would work. I could act like it, but we just dont know. The hardcores will buy it, but the hardcores do not make them money, ask EA.

The 'hardcore' blablabla. Who likes a sport will ever look for the closest thing to reality imo.

Konami released generic football games for years until they got hold of a few clubs. They wanted to be in the game, mainly as a way to promote themselves in the football world, especially Asia. I do remember seeing that it sold more than EA's FIFA for several years in top UK/European retailers. In Brazil, it's considered the 'real' football game and it's sold on every corner for the PS2. The game was customizable, from the players hair to the nets, from the ads around the pitch to the stadiums. If 2K chooses to make another football game without the license, they should look for this.

[spankdatazz22]

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No other company has even tried to make a generic simulation football game outside of 2K. Its just really risky.

Good post. Actually, 989 tried to make a generic title the first year after EA got exclusivity for the PS2. IGN even had a few pics of it up at one point. But they abandoned it a few months later.

A lot of people seem to want to totally discount the risk factor. I don't doubt that there's some market for a non-licensed game 2K, if made no mistakes (which depends significantly on perception) and if the game were nurtured/given a chance to grow. But that's a very slim margin of error. Obviously 2K should've made the game less restrictive, but it can't be forgotten that the legal/financial situation with Take Two at the time was a lot more shaky at the time. Rockstar was having it's legal issues and it wouldn't have made sense for 2K to potentially risk more issues by running into issues with the NFL. I know all the legal experts on the board say it wouldn't have happened, but the NFL seems a lot more protective of it's licenses than people want to allow (it's funny how we've all gotten used to no advertisers other than those officially NFL licensed being able to use the term "Super Bowl").

I remember a lot of MVP fans saying all they wanted was an EA baseball game when they lost the MLB license. They were already producing their college baseball game based off the MVP engine - people didn't flock to it. Would a non-licensed game had done better? There's just no way to say for sure.

[kcxiv]

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I should have put in my post, that since the exclusive went down. Its a huge huge business risk. Like i said, its easy for me to say, just do it, things will work out, but in reality we dont know. Hell, we live in the USA where Dancing with the Stars and American Idol are the biggest TV hits for some stupid reason.

[Rocky]

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The 'hardcore' blablabla. Who likes a sport will ever look for the closest thing to reality imo.

Konami released generic football games for years until they got hold of a few clubs. They wanted to be in the game, mainly as a way to promote themselves in the football world, especially Asia. I do remember seeing that it sold more than EA's FIFA for several years in top UK/European retailers. In Brazil, it's considered the 'real' football game and it's sold on every corner for the PS2. The game was customizable, from the players hair to the nets, from the ads around the pitch to the stadiums. If 2K chooses to make another football game without the license, they should look for this.

LOL, every time people bring up the WE/FIFA example....and every time it is an equally terrible analogy. American Football is either the NCAA or the NFL. There is no other alternative except for a HS Football game which would require 2K to totally change their engine.

[tcp]

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LOL, every time people bring up the WE/FIFA example....and every time it is an equally terrible analogy. American Football is either the NCAA or the NFL. There is no other alternative except for a HS Football game which would require 2K to totally change their engine.

LOL.

Why is it bad? It's not a bad example at all. The game has the same 'problem' - no licenses.

With the community to jump in and make their own stuff - which could be potentially better than a box version graphic, it would be the ultimate football game.

Legal issues? Well, if it comes from the box without any references, it could be done afaik. What the users do afterwards is actually the users problem, not 2k's.

[kcxiv]

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LOL.

Why is it bad? It's not a bad example at all. The game has the same 'problem' - no licenses.

With the community to jump in and make their own stuff - which could be potentially better than a box version graphic, it would be the ultimate football game.

Legal issues? Well, if it comes from the box without any references, it could be done afaik. What the users do afterwards is actually the users problem, not 2k's.

Well, doesnt the game have alot of the real players on it? There is no possible way 2K could have current NFL players by default. Its a bit different. While it doesnt have fifa, it does have current players.

[tcp]

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Well, doesnt the game have alot of the real players on it? There is no possible way 2K could have current NFL players by default. Its a bit different. While it doesnt have fifa, it does have current players.

Nope. It did not have real players for a lot of seasons. Some of them are not real today, even. I remember having Ronied (Ronaldo) as Brazil #9. He was bald, same height etc.

If you leave to the community, the game could eventually become an NFL game within days. All on the users' part.

[Rocky]

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LOL.

Why is it bad? It's not a bad example at all. The game has the same 'problem' - no licenses.

With the community to jump in and make their own stuff - which could be potentially better than a box version graphic, it would be the ultimate football game.

Legal issues? Well, if it comes from the box without any references, it could be done afaik. What the users do afterwards is actually the users problem, not 2k's.

I think you're seriously overestimating the number of people who would be willing to do that to get a NFL game. You're narrowing your market to hardcore 2K/football gamers. The Legends idea at least had a novelty to it and was relatively easy to pick up and play. The price killed it, IMO though.

With the customization idea, people who want the real NFL would buy Madden. People who wanted a real football simulation would buy any idea that 2K came up with. I don't think 2K lost many gamers because APF wasn't fully customizable (though it definately hurt the replay value).

I liked the High School idea the best myself. It's pretty hard to change the engine that dramatically though.

[tcp]

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I think you're seriously overestimating the number of people who would be willing to do that to get a NFL game. You're narrowing your market to hardcore 2K/football gamers. The Legends idea at least had a novelty to it and was relatively easy to pick up and play. The price killed it, IMO though.

With the customization idea, people who want the real NFL would buy Madden. People who wanted a real football simulation would buy any idea that 2K came up with. I don't think 2K lost many gamers because APF wasn't fully customizable (though it definately hurt the replay value).

I liked the High School idea the best myself. It's pretty hard to change the engine that dramatically though.

For me, APF had no replay value, unless you played online leagues. So many people were left out.

I dont think I'm overestimating. If you could edit the stadiums, the broadcasting graphics, the commentary, player models, faces, uniforms, balls, etc, that adds a lot to the game. You can have older leagues (for people who like them), custom leagues, etc. You can have the NFL --- with the best gameplay and possibly a NBC presentation, or FOX. Believe me, there are people out there who would jump into this in a heartbeat.

The bonus is that you dont have to release a game every single year (cuts cost!) and the replay value is there. You just have to know how to handle to game.

[kcxiv]

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Nope. It did not have real players for a lot of seasons. Some of them are not real today, even. I remember having Ronied (Ronaldo) as Brazil #9. He was bald, same height etc.

If you leave to the community, the game could eventually become an NFL game within days. All on the users' part.

Again, its a huge risk to take right now. The economy is really bad. 2K just cant afford for it to bomb. Like i said in my previous post. We can say how people will eat it up blah blah blah, but we dont really know that will happen.

Like i said, i would love for it to happen. I really would. To me Madden is a horrible playing football game. I find no fun in it at all. I cant wait for the day some company. I dont care if its 2K or another to come out and say, we are going for a simulation football game.