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  • spankdatazz22
    All Star
    • May 2003
    • 6219

    #16
    Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

    Originally posted by bluewave
    Madden could make the perfect football game, and 2K fans wont buy it due to what EA did. I understand that and don't fault them for that.

    However I do agree that TT is blowing it by not meeting the consumers demands and putting out another game. Very saddening.
    I'd still disagree. I just don't see this huge contingent of 2K fans that refuse to buy Madden. If the people are that bitter, they'd also realize the NFL has it's part in the blame also. Are these fans no longer willing to watch football? Or no longer purchasing NFL products? All because of the exclusivity deal? I'm sure there are a few people out there that are that extreme that they can hold to their principles and not purchase Madden even if it were "perfect", which I have a really hard time believing. Even so if they do exist they are very few and far between.

    And where were all these hardcore holdout fans when APF2K8 came out? If that's the case, APF should've been a million-seller - there should've been a lot more people willing to stick it to the NFL and EA and willing to purchase APF just on spite alone. I don't blame 2K one bit for not making another football game and especially for not catering it to the fringe crowd that simply wants them to provide a game template that gives them full freedom to mold the game any which way they can dream up. It's too unrealistic an expectation, and the ultra-hardcore is far too finicky a crowd to cater to. Even in this forum we can't come up with a consensus on what a 2K football game should be; I've heard everything from USFL to Canadian League to completely generic to high school games being thrown about. And there are more; XFL, hybrid college game, etc. And all this while taking into account the requisite draft/contracts/recruiting needs to add depth to the game. There's just no way they'd be able to please everyone
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    • Cryolemon
      MVP
      • Aug 2008
      • 1669

      #17
      Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

      Originally posted by CreatineKasey
      2k should just market whatever idea they have. Don't keep your fans in the dark.
      It's fairly clear that they have no idea, and no desire to make another football game.

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      • Behindshadows
        CEO - BSG Network
        • Nov 2004
        • 8055

        #18
        Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

        Originally posted by spankdatazz22
        I'd still disagree. I just don't see this huge contingent of 2K fans that refuse to buy Madden. If the people are that bitter, they'd also realize the NFL has it's part in the blame also. Are these fans no longer willing to watch football? Or no longer purchasing NFL products? All because of the exclusivity deal? I'm sure there are a few people out there that are that extreme that they can hold to their principles and not purchase Madden even if it were "perfect", which I have a really hard time believing. Even so if they do exist they are very few and far between.

        And where were all these hardcore holdout fans when APF2K8 came out? If that's the case, APF should've been a million-seller - there should've been a lot more people willing to stick it to the NFL and EA and willing to purchase APF just on spite alone. I don't blame 2K one bit for not making another football game and especially for not catering it to the fringe crowd that simply wants them to provide a game template that gives them full freedom to mold the game any which way they can dream up. It's too unrealistic an expectation, and the ultra-hardcore is far too finicky a crowd to cater to. Even in this forum we can't come up with a consensus on what a 2K football game should be; I've heard everything from USFL to Canadian League to completely generic to high school games being thrown about. And there are more; XFL, hybrid college game, etc. And all this while taking into account the requisite draft/contracts/recruiting needs to add depth to the game. There's just no way they'd be able to please everyone
        Well I hate to say it my friend but you are in blind denial. Because with the constant upgrading of 2k5 to the modifications to APF, 2k football fans are still refusing to buy Madden and that is a fact.

        Also look at the NBA 2k boards, College Hoops boards, etc. 2k fans have gotten to the point where loyalty to the company makes them refuse to buy EA's game no matter if they improve or not.

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        • bigsmallwood
          MVP
          • Aug 2008
          • 1474

          #19
          Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

          Originally posted by Behindshadows
          Well I hate to say it my friend but you are in blind denial. Because with the constant upgrading of 2k5 to the modifications to APF, 2k football fans are still refusing to buy Madden and that is a fact.

          Also look at the NBA 2k boards, College Hoops boards, etc. 2k fans have gotten to the point where loyalty to the company makes them refuse to buy EA's game no matter if they improve or not.
          I could not have worded it better! People should be open to IMPROVED gameplay and games. For me, I don't care if it is Live or 2K....Madden 10 (if it steps up 2 the plate) or NFL 2K5forever....as long as the game fits the bill of what a True Sim experience should be and has all the right components, I am content with that...and don't feel the need 2 buy the game year in and out.
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          • DCMC
            Pro
            • Aug 2008
            • 476

            #20
            Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

            Focus on defense more (it's too easy to score)
            Make uniform codes shorter

            Take a couple things from Madden:

            Enable stats to be emailed to you after a game
            Allow you to upload your best plays to the 2k website
            ACQB Madden 10 & 11 Online Franchise Member

            Philadelphia Eagles

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            • gjsii13
              Banned
              • Sep 2006
              • 452

              #21
              Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

              ^^

              Good ideas

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              • CapnKill
                MVP
                • Feb 2006
                • 1173

                #22
                Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                Originally posted by bluewave
                I like the points you make and it is true for the most part. However, I don't fault the 2K fans who don't buy EA games or Madden. EA signed the exclusive deal with the NFL, thus terminating 2K football until it expires. This is what angered the fans, including me. Why would they want to pay for a game that is made by the company who essentially put the nix on 2K football? Why would they want to support that company? If they did, they would indirectly be supporting the exclusivity license that they hate so much. It is kinda like buying a chocolate bar from a company/group that funds human trafficking. (Kinda, and a little dark/harsh, but I hope you understand my point. )
                This is a common misconception actually. It is the NFL to blame not EA. The NFL wanted to no longer give out their license to multiple sources because they didn't want to police every single developer into making a NFL game that fit within their rules. So they put the license up for bidding. I can hardly blame EA for bidding the most $$, what were they supposed to do, not make a play for it?

                So EA won, and the rest is history. But I don't think its right to be angry at EA for winning the bid. If anyone you should be angry at its the NFL for deciding to only offer the license to one developer.

                Now, you can certainly be angry at EA for making a sh1t game on the PS3 / 360 for the past 4 years, that I certainly can't blame you for, they deserve it.

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                • spankdatazz22
                  All Star
                  • May 2003
                  • 6219

                  #23
                  Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                  Originally posted by Behindshadows
                  Well I hate to say it my friend but you are in blind denial. Because with the constant upgrading of 2k5 to the modifications to APF, 2k football fans are still refusing to buy Madden and that is a fact.

                  Also look at the NBA 2k boards, College Hoops boards, etc. 2k fans have gotten to the point where loyalty to the company makes them refuse to buy EA's game no matter if they improve or not.
                  No, unfortunately that's just what you want to believe which is why there's no sense in continuing the conversation because of such a ridiculously overblown view. I just went online with APF and there were a total of 3 people in the lobbies. I'm sure the number of people that have gone through the trouble of getting a transfer cable to download the most recent NFL2K5 rosters is absolutely huge; they must number in the hundreds. This belief that there's some huge group of people that would rather stay stuck in last gen or play a multiple years-old game - and, this is key - refuse to play a great game because they're bitter, is a silly notion. You refuse to accept the possibility that some people are refusing to play Madden because... *gasp*... it just hasn't been very good. Which is interesting to hear, given your views on NBA2K9. Sorry, but it's laughable. Even if it's a thousand people still playing 2K5 and refusing to buy Madden, in the bigger scheme of things that means next to nothing for a game that sells 4+million. Believe all you want that it's 2K fans holding Madden sales back; it's a ridiculous view. The game's sales haven't improved w/the popularity of the NFL because it's own fans haven't felt the game warranted a purchase.
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                  • Behindshadows
                    CEO - BSG Network
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 8055

                    #24
                    Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                    Originally posted by spankdatazz22
                    No, unfortunately that's just what you want to believe which is why there's no sense in continuing the conversation because of such a ridiculously overblown view. I just went online with APF and there were a total of 3 people in the lobbies. I'm sure the number of people that have gone through the trouble of getting a transfer cable to download the most recent NFL2K5 rosters is absolutely huge; they must number in the hundreds. This belief that there's some huge group of people that would rather stay stuck in last gen or play a multiple years-old game - and, this is key - refuse to play a great game because they're bitter, is a silly notion. You refuse to accept the possibility that some people are refusing to play Madden because... *gasp*... it just hasn't been very good. Which is interesting to hear, given your views on NBA2K9. Sorry, but it's laughable. Even if it's a thousand people still playing 2K5 and refusing to buy Madden, in the bigger scheme of things that means next to nothing for a game that sells 4+million. Believe all you want that it's 2K fans holding Madden sales back; it's a ridiculous view. The game's sales haven't improved w/the popularity of the NFL because it's own fans haven't felt the game warranted a purchase.
                    So let me get this straight I hate NBA 2k9 so now I'm wrong...haha...

                    The game is terrible enough said! No defensive A.I. constant sliding and bad stats. But I'm wrong! hahaha.

                    But look at my gamertag...I just got through playing APF in which I like. I'm still playing NFL 2k5 with JSOU's edits. But I'm wrong for not liking NBA 2k9 so that makes my points wrong, for knowing for a fact that loyal 2k fans will refuse to buy a EA game in hopes not to support the NFL license.

                    Please that is a fact. Search for Exclusive NFL license threads that have been created every year since it happened and look at how the 2kfanboys come out of no where with constant hatred and ignorant post and those same people fill the threads with 2k can do no wrong post. That's why I know this for a fact, I read! And I keep note of!

                    When I was trying to complete my College Hoops 2k9 rosters, I could even get through 3 or 4 pages of edit info without people posting constantly how EA sucks and they refuse to buy their lame *** NCAA Basketball game. Without even playing it!

                    Same exact comments I played the demo and deleted in 2 minutes blah blah blah!

                    I rented it and it sux, I took it back the same day, blah blah blah!

                    I played over a friends house and it was terrible. hahaha! Same lame **** every year from blind and bias fans.

                    But it's cool man we can disagree and I can respect that, I guess we can leave it at that we don't see eye to eye on this subject.

                    Fact is 2ksports! No wait I'm sorry Take-Two needs to get their eyes checked because they are ruining a great series of games and a great development team by not seeing the talent and potential of visual concepts. They need to give these guys new technology and a better graphics engine and even more marketing support and put these guys back on the map. Even if its with a completely generic football. Don't let 2k football die all together.

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                    • bluewave
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 194

                      #25
                      Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                      Originally posted by CapnKill
                      This is a common misconception actually. It is the NFL to blame not EA. The NFL wanted to no longer give out their license to multiple sources because they didn't want to police every single developer into making a NFL game that fit within their rules. So they put the license up for bidding. I can hardly blame EA for bidding the most $$, what were they supposed to do, not make a play for it?

                      So EA won, and the rest is history. But I don't think its right to be angry at EA for winning the bid. If anyone you should be angry at its the NFL for deciding to only offer the license to one developer.

                      Now, you can certainly be angry at EA for making a sh1t game on the PS3 / 360 for the past 4 years, that I certainly can't blame you for, they deserve it.
                      Well the best way for me to stick it to EA or essentially the NFL in this case, is to not buy Madden. It is the best way for me to show I don't support the exclusivity license that the NFL concocted. If I buy Madden, I am providing money to the NFL and supporting the exclusivity license. I don't want to do that.

                      However, if Madden did come out with an exceptional football game, I would strongly consider, if not purchase it used from a game store such as Gamestop. Because I am pretty sure game publishers/developers don't receive any type of revenue from games purchased used, although I am not too sure.

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                      • GiantBlue76
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 3287

                        #26
                        Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                        Originally posted by spankdatazz22
                        While I don't doubt these people exist, I think the number of people that hate Tiburon/EA SO MUCH that they would refuse to purchase a quality/good/great game is extremely small. People would refuse to play a great football game just because EA made it lol? Personally I dislike practically everything Tiburon, EA, & the NFL has done to football gaming the past five years; I've bumped heads with Ian and crew on more than a few occasions the past year or so on various issues. I've been called a 2Kfanboy by more than a few people here. But with all that said, why wouldn't I purchase Madden if it were a good game? I would. If I my PS3 were backwards compatible, I'd likely have purchased Madden 09 for the PS2. I realize chances are extremely small that 2K will release another football title, let alone get a chance to develop another NFL title. I realize the NFL's part in this mess and hate exclusivity, yet I'm not going to stop watching the NFL - or NCAA for that matter even though they have their part in the blame also.

                        I just don't see people being that stubborn and so full of hate that they'd refuse to play a great football game strictly on principle. While I hate exclusivity, I hate it only as far as it inconveniences me from playing good games. If The Show was available for the 360 but not available for the Wii, you'd have far fewer people caring about baseball exclusivity. The Madden forum has been pretty much completely neutered, and Tiburon has yet to deliver on a good next gen Madden game - yet look at how many people are bending over trying to be understanding and give them as much time as they need to make the game right. It's not about people having hate, it's about Tiburon not having delivered a game up to standard. Once they do, much of the complaining will go away. Just because someone appreciates 2K's games doesn't mean they're incapable of appreciating a good/great effort by another developer. Much of the bad vibe directed towards Tiburon is deserved for their delivering subpar games, plain and simple. Once they start delivering on what the game should be, you'll see a lot of that vibe change. Hell, as I said earlier people are trying to be understanding of them despite the fact they've put out disappointing football games. I just don't see this huge contingency of 2K fans that refuse to purchase an EA product out of hatred
                        Thank you, a voice of reason. I am a big fan of 2ks football games, but there is an obvious reason for that. I am 32 years old and I had every single madden from the first one on sega genesis to 2001. The game started getting stale so I tried the 2k game. Then when 2k5 came out it was unreal. This idea that people just want to buy a 2k game just because it isn't an EA game is inaccurate. As consumers we never like to take a step back. Let's say you buy a TV, it's a 32 inch Tube CRT. When you go to buy your next tv would you rather get the 42" plasma or a 27" black and white TV? The same holds true for games. In this case, those of us who had the 2k5 experience have a bar set. When EA aquires every license known to man regarding the NFL, you think, wow, they can create the ultimate game. They have access to everything. Unfortunately they did not go that route at all. Anyone who thinks they have is fooling themselves. If EA made a great football game I would buy it. Hell, if they made a game that was at least as good as 2k5 was, then I would buy it. Having this license deal was an opportunity for EA to slam the door on its competition forever by making an insanely great NFL game. They took the easy way out instead. The developers can swear up and down saying they are not complacent, and they themselves may not be, but the games in the past 4 years wreak of complacency. This year's madden might be the start of something good, but it's still way behind. It's 2009 already and we deserve a lot better for our 60 bucks. The ratings for madden the last few years have been overly generous. Why aren't we seeing games that wow us? Where are the 9.0 and 9.5 ratings? Given that I'll objectively give Madden a look when the details come out, but if it is a step back from 2k5, I'll excercise my right to pass on it.

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                        • arseniotall
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 903

                          #27
                          Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                          Im sorry. If a good game was made it wouldn't matter who made it. I know there are people who refuse to buy madden, but to say its becaue people hate EA is RIDICULOUS. I know these people exist, but just looking at sales alone you cannot believe that people refusing to buy the game based on hating EA is some huge part of the market. ITS BECAUSE THEY DONT CARE FOR THE GAME. OBVIOUSLY. Why can't someone not like the game. A Good game will sell. The minute EA makes a perfect football sim 2kfanboys will buy it. PERIOD. Its the same thing vice versa. Are you trying to tell me that back when 2k5 came out there were people who wouldnt buy it cuz they hate 2k? No it was cuz they didnt care for the game. Just like there are people who don't care for the game now. Like I give a **** who's brand logo is on the cover of the game if it gives me everything I want from a football game. Someone who absolutely loves 2k football will not find the same things in a game of madden AND VICE VERSA. These aren't hard concepts to understand. Saying people aren't buying madden solely because they hate EA is a joke. These people may exist, but i'm sure the REAL reason is they don't like the game. And if they are in larger numbers then i think, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THEY OUT NUMBER THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO BUY THE GAME BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY NFL GAME OUT THERE. So its basically a moot point anyway.

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                          • arseniotall
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 903

                            #28
                            Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                            o my bad...

                            They should make the game on PC too.

                            thanks

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                            • totalownership
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 3838

                              #29
                              Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                              Originally posted by CapnKill
                              This is a common misconception actually. It is the NFL to blame not EA. The NFL wanted to no longer give out their license to multiple sources because they didn't want to police every single developer into making a NFL game that fit within their rules. So they put the license up for bidding. I can hardly blame EA for bidding the most $$, what were they supposed to do, not make a play for it?

                              So EA won, and the rest is history. But I don't think its right to be angry at EA for winning the bid. If anyone you should be angry at its the NFL for deciding to only offer the license to one developer.

                              Now, you can certainly be angry at EA for making a sh1t game on the PS3 / 360 for the past 4 years, that I certainly can't blame you for, they deserve it.
                              Every time I see a post like this I laugh a little. No offense man but you really don't know the deal. As I've stated before many times EA and the NFL were in cahoots well before any "bidding" took place. http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05...s_6098784.html

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                              • CapnKill
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 1173

                                #30
                                Re: Official: What 2k Should Do List (If 2k10 is in development)

                                Originally posted by totalownership
                                Every time I see a post like this I laugh a little. No offense man but you really don't know the deal. As I've stated before many times EA and the NFL were in cahoots well before any "bidding" took place. http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05...s_6098784.html
                                What does that have to do with anything? Is it not the NFL that decides what they do with their license? Obviously if the NFL decides they only want one company to use their license you already know that EA would have more money than the other guys, but I still don't see how this is EAs fault.

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