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  • RogueHominid
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2006
    • 10900

    #76
    Re: Bump and Run

    Originally posted by MUSS
    All you need is a bump buster, or use TE more, or someone of the line of scrimige, either TE flex or the slot, or the flanker. Shy away from split end and your fine against bump masters.
    I know we all know this, but there is a reason most teams put their best receiver at flanker: it gives them a free release.

    The game will line up the first receiver you pick at split end, but I always make sure my main target is at flanker unless they were a natural split end irl and can handle press coverage.

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    • CreatineKasey
      MVP
      • Sep 2007
      • 4897

      #77
      Re: Bump and Run

      Originally posted by The Autumn Wind
      I know we all know this, but there is a reason most teams put their best receiver at flanker: it gives them a free release.

      The game will line up the first receiver you pick at split end, but I always make sure my main target is at flanker unless they were a natural split end irl and can handle press coverage.
      Ever since this bump discussion started I've learned so much about how to run an offense against man coverage, and more importantly how to defend it. You are right on with this observation. It is HUGE which WR is on and off the L.O.S. If you have a deep threat guy... keep him off the line of scrimmage and they HAVE TO double him! It's awesome!

      The upside for the defense in that situation is they can probably keep single coverage on the other side of the field since he can get bumped and locked down (ideally). With this knowledge you can force your coverage to areas you want to and not have to cover the deep half of both sides of the field.
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      • skidsboroff
        Rookie
        • Dec 2008
        • 192

        #78
        Re: Bump and Run

        Originally posted by CreatineKasey
        It is HUGE which WR is on and off the L.O.S. If you have a deep threat guy... keep him off the line of scrimmage and they HAVE TO double him! It's awesome!
        This was the single biggest thing I discovered for ACQB3. I mad Lofton the #2 WR with either Eric Martin or Charley Taylor the #1. Lofton always had free releases because he was off the line, and Taylor and Martin have Bump Buster. Free releases all day. Un-bump & run-able
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        • s38s38s
          Banned
          • Jan 2009
          • 623

          #79
          Re: Bump and Run

          Originally posted by Valdarez
          Ahhh... s38s, still trolling I see. I'm going to have to add you to ignore here, like I have on 2kfootballstrategy, xbox360, 2k sports forums, youtube, email, and probably more places than I can remember now after you took it upon yourself to estalk. I guess I should learn how to freeze people online like you and you're buddy have been doing for the last couple of years. I'd learn a lot more about the game that way.

          This is what constantly happens when you try to break down the game and people try to defend certain tactics. Instead of talking about the game, people try to demonize you, your view point, obfuscate the argument with Sim or 'it's football' arguments when in fact it's a video game simulation. Running the ball against man coverage is a no brainer. I'm not going to break down the issues (this is not a definitive win based on personell/stick skillz of your opponent) with this as the way to beat bump because it distracts from the discussion with regards to the issues with bump that I outlined, and the one thing that's still hard to understand, namely how to read a route and the open man in order to complete a pass.

          Just last night I played a game and my WR beat the CB off the bump for a mid range out play. Before the cut he was open, so I throw the ball, expecting him to break cleanly for a catch right? Instead the CB catches up, bumps him off the route, and then puts himself in position to make the INT (though he dropped it). This is what I'm talking about with bump, and continueing to bump down the field. I had a guy open, that had beat the press, but because he was bumped again as he made his cut, he was put out of position to make a catch. Even though I read the route perfectly, because of the way bump's working in Legend lobby, I nearly had the ball picked.
          Lol e-stalk don't flatter yourself....freeze boy please you see any videos up of me freezing people....If I could freeze I wouldn't have losing streaks, you can jump on bandwagons all you want but it doesn't make it true. Secondly to your post if you don't appreciate the response you don't have to respond especially trying to take a cheap shot...I think it's funny you now post here must be losing your grip on the SIM community. Either way only reason I got banned is because of the one game we played where you sat in one defense all game long reguardless of the coverage for your secondary. You should probably take it as a clue you can't do one thing all game long and expect high success, especially taking into account you run about 8 plays all game on offense like you did against me its no wonder you have trouble beating bump...No one else here has any trouble with it but you refuse to get your head out your own a$$ to actually apply some thought and say hmm what are the disadvantages of running bump? Let me lay it out for you...


          1.Opponent controls where your best players line up

          2.No help on runs up the gut or out of formations where all WR's are on the same side of the field...

          3.WR's off the LOS get a free release

          For a guy who built his own strategy site you should've been forund the answer to this age old question lol, you keep flexing your E-muscle I'll continue to explore the game...

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          • Lankylegz89
            Rookie
            • Jan 2009
            • 32

            #80
            Re: Bump and Run

            Careful s38s! He might try to find away to become an admin on this site so he can bann us everytime we expose his stupidity. As if we care. lol. Go on with your E-muscle Val! You're still fat and have probably never played a real sport in your life so you live vicariously through sports video games attempting to know what you're talking about. You like to flex your E-muscle because you have little control in real life. It's your cotrol fix. Trust me, I know your type. And they are all city league basketball refs (where they have a little control) I know you amount to nothing in real life. Now go back to your little POS website. Me and my website designer at my company were actually laughing at your website the other day. LOL. It's so bad. I dont post on this site but when i heard you were here i had to come check it out. Later fat guy!
            Last edited by Lankylegz89; 05-25-2009, 07:02 PM.

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            • RogueHominid
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2006
              • 10900

              #81
              Re: Bump and Run

              My word, this is atrocious. Can't you 2k guys keep this crap on your own boards?

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              • mKoz26
                In case you forgot...
                • Jan 2009
                • 4685

                #82
                Re: Bump and Run

                Go away 2k forum trash.
                Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some

                @CDonkey26

                Originally posted by baumy300
                Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...

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                • dtrain053
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 39

                  #83
                  Re: Bump and Run

                  There are a lot of quality posters on this site that frequent 2k as well. It ticks me off whenever an argument gets started that its blamed on a 2k forum guy.



                  For the record S38, and Lanky Legs have been banned on 2k for well over a year, so don't lump them in as a 2k poster.

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                  • Lankylegz89
                    Rookie
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 32

                    #84
                    Re: Bump and Run

                    Originally posted by dtrain053
                    There are a lot of quality posters on this site that frequent 2k as well. It ticks me off whenever an argument gets started that its blamed on a 2k forum guy.



                    For the record S38, and Lanky Legs have been banned on 2k for well over a year, so don't lump them in as a 2k poster.
                    That is right fellas. We were banned by Valderez for exposing his stupidity. I promise you won't get trash from us. It's just him. He ruins every forum he goes to. Nobody likes him. If you guys want any tips on the game I have been playing for a while and feel like i know just about every trick so hit me up. I recently quit playing though just because it got boring playing the same guys over and over again. Hit me up if you guys need help. Later!

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                    • mKoz26
                      In case you forgot...
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4685

                      #85
                      Re: Bump and Run

                      Originally posted by dtrain053
                      There are a lot of quality posters on this site that frequent 2k as well. It ticks me off whenever an argument gets started that its blamed on a 2k forum guy.



                      For the record S38, and Lanky Legs have been banned on 2k for well over a year, so don't lump them in as a 2k poster.
                      I just mean that people should not carry stuff over from those boards onto these. You're good with me, as is Football Schemer and Valderez and others.
                      Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some

                      @CDonkey26

                      Originally posted by baumy300
                      Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...

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                      • NFLHITMAN
                        Pro
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 924

                        #86
                        Re: Bump and Run

                        FTR I have about 7,000 post at 2kforums and I don't bring any of the crap over there to here. I post here a lot more frequently than I do over there since this sight has many games I play on it.

                        Please don't lump us all together mKoz.

                        Thanks for your understanding!
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                        • av7
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 11408

                          #87
                          Re: Bump and Run

                          Everyone- this is your only warning to get back on track. If I see another post that has nothing to do with Bump and Run in APF, I will close down shop.
                          Aaron
                          Moderator

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                          • mKoz26
                            In case you forgot...
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 4685

                            #88
                            Re: Bump and Run

                            Originally posted by NFLHITMAN
                            FTR I have about 7,000 post at 2kforums and I don't bring any of the crap over there to here. I post here a lot more frequently than I do over there since this sight has many games I play on it.

                            Please don't lump us all together mKoz.

                            Thanks for your understanding!
                            We cool too.
                            Bears | Bulls | Cubs | Illinois | #Team3Some

                            @CDonkey26

                            Originally posted by baumy300
                            Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...

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                            • NFLHITMAN
                              Pro
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 924

                              #89
                              Re: Bump and Run

                              Back on topic!

                              I have learned even more from s38s, Kasey & Autumn Wind than I knew about bump & run. Thanks for the tips! Now I just got to remember to use them LOL.
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                              • Valdarez
                                All Star
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 5075

                                #90
                                Re: Bump and Run

                                Originally posted by s38s38s
                                1.Opponent controls where your best players line up

                                2.No help on runs up the gut or out of formations where all WR's are on the same side of the field...

                                3.WR's off the LOS get a free release

                                For a guy who built his own strategy site you should've been forund the answer to this age old question lol, you keep flexing your E-muscle I'll continue to explore the game...
                                I'm not sure what you think you are answering, it doesn't answer any question I posed, and it definitely doesn't answer the question I posed with regards to how to read / pass against bump coverage when utilizing normal routes. Try taking the blinders off and reread my post. It isn't about how to beat bump, there are tricks to help you get a better release (moving a player) and there are routes that hands down beat the bump (arrow routes, comeback routes). What I have pointed out is that there are problems with the coverage down the field for the other routes. For those routes, how do you read / pass against bump? Per my example, even if you get a free release, and read the player properly, you're not guaranteed to be open once the ball gets there due to additional contact past the 5 yard mark. I'll post some videos to back this up next week.

                                Lankey, if you'd like to bring all your knowledge to the forefront and step up and answer the question about how to read/pass against bump coverage, then I'd love to hear your answer. So far no one has been able to answer it. Right now it seems that the players have to be running a single directions (any direction) and you have to pass on that direction (just like Madden... 'ick'), basicaly limiting APF2K8's wonderful passing mechanics.

                                Running the ball isn't a slam dunk either, but bump or man both definitely make it easier. A person with a Star ILB/OLB/Safety can pretty well shut down the run regardless of coverage employed.

                                Everyone seems to want to draw a hard line one way or the other, it's bad, or it's ok. I'm not saying either, I'm just saying it's a little too effective, just like man coverage is a little lax (which I'm sure many will agree). Bump coverage causes contact further down the field, past the 5 yard line, disrupting routes, without drawing flags, and results in unrealistic plays (especially a double bump where a WR can be thrown down to the ground down the field when he's bumped between two defenders).

                                If I were patching the game, I'd have the man coverage tightened up, and the bump coverage loosened up.
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