I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

[SPORTSplaya]

Re: I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

It needs changed so I don't know WTF you all are talking about. I am able to average 10+ ypc so hell yeah they better fix it up. Let's see how strong ESPN's running game really is once the players on a swivel directional turning is resolved(which better be fixed). If you honestly think it's good now your crazy as hell cuz it's the most unrealistic issue in the game. This sh*t better be fixed along with the running animations in general.

[azn_essence]

Re: I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

When's the last time you see a running back run full speed right after he gets the handoff

[azn_essence]

Re: I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

When's the last time you see a running back run full speed right after he gets the handoff

[azn_essence]

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When's the last time you see a running back run full speed right after he gets the handoff

[Kruza]

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Nah, I would say that there are problems with the running game in ESPN NFL that must be changed or fixed. Everyone already knows about the pursuit angle problem on outside runs, so no need to go there again. But I want to go over a few other things.

First, for outside runs that has the FB and/or o-linemen pulling, the blocks set up too quickly in a way that you can mash on the speed button and often hit the hole with perfect timing, and it shouldn't be this way. Watch the Chiefs whenever they run their power sweeps near the goal line. Notice the speed at which Priest Holmes runs to the outside with a pulling OG and FB? When Priest arrives to the edge to look to turn the corner, he doesn't go anywhere near full speed until the OG and TE both seal their blocks, then Priest turns up the speed a notch while turning the corner. But in ESPN NFL it doesn't matter -- it's full speed away to the outside as soon as the RB takes the handoff, and the blocks are set up quickly without the RB having to show patience to see them actually develop. This is one of the main reasons how and why those "cheap" outside runs in ESPN NFL occur.

Plus there are problems like CPU LBs often failing to maintain contain responsibility and force a RB to turn inside, so you see them get caught inside often which gives the RB an open running lane outside the edge to burst through.

And finally, run blocking is too good in some instances, where defenders get taken to the ground without immediately getting back up, resulting to little to no backside pursuit to help stop runs to the outside. On a toss/sweep play where a RB is slowing down a bit looking for a hole to open up, there are times in an NFL or college football game when a d-lineman or LB in pursuit catch up and tackle the RB from behind. But when these defenders get taken down to the ground at rate that they do in ESPN NFL, this situation can't really happen. Sure these takedowns happens in real life, but this occurs way too frequently in ESPN NFL, where you can see like 3 or 4 defenders get knocked to the ground right away.

Kruza

[Kruza]

Re: I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

Nah, I would say that there are problems with the running game in ESPN NFL that must be changed or fixed. Everyone already knows about the pursuit angle problem on outside runs, so no need to go there again. But I want to go over a few other things.

First, for outside runs that has the FB and/or o-linemen pulling, the blocks set up too quickly in a way that you can mash on the speed button and often hit the hole with perfect timing, and it shouldn't be this way. Watch the Chiefs whenever they run their power sweeps near the goal line. Notice the speed at which Priest Holmes runs to the outside with a pulling OG and FB? When Priest arrives to the edge to look to turn the corner, he doesn't go anywhere near full speed until the OG and TE both seal their blocks, then Priest turns up the speed a notch while turning the corner. But in ESPN NFL it doesn't matter -- it's full speed away to the outside as soon as the RB takes the handoff, and the blocks are set up quickly without the RB having to show patience to see them actually develop. This is one of the main reasons how and why those "cheap" outside runs in ESPN NFL occur.

Plus there are problems like CPU LBs often failing to maintain contain responsibility and force a RB to turn inside, so you see them get caught inside often which gives the RB an open running lane outside the edge to burst through.

And finally, run blocking is too good in some instances, where defenders get taken to the ground without immediately getting back up, resulting to little to no backside pursuit to help stop runs to the outside. On a toss/sweep play where a RB is slowing down a bit looking for a hole to open up, there are times in an NFL or college football game when a d-lineman or LB in pursuit catch up and tackle the RB from behind. But when these defenders get taken down to the ground at rate that they do in ESPN NFL, this situation can't really happen. Sure these takedowns happens in real life, but this occurs way too frequently in ESPN NFL, where you can see like 3 or 4 defenders get knocked to the ground right away.

Kruza

[Kruza]

Re: I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

Nah, I would say that there are problems with the running game in ESPN NFL that must be changed or fixed. Everyone already knows about the pursuit angle problem on outside runs, so no need to go there again. But I want to go over a few other things.

First, for outside runs that has the FB and/or o-linemen pulling, the blocks set up too quickly in a way that you can mash on the speed button and often hit the hole with perfect timing, and it shouldn't be this way. Watch the Chiefs whenever they run their power sweeps near the goal line. Notice the speed at which Priest Holmes runs to the outside with a pulling OG and FB? When Priest arrives to the edge to look to turn the corner, he doesn't go anywhere near full speed until the OG and TE both seal their blocks, then Priest turns up the speed a notch while turning the corner. But in ESPN NFL it doesn't matter -- it's full speed away to the outside as soon as the RB takes the handoff, and the blocks are set up quickly without the RB having to show patience to see them actually develop. This is one of the main reasons how and why those "cheap" outside runs in ESPN NFL occur.

Plus there are problems like CPU LBs often failing to maintain contain responsibility and force a RB to turn inside, so you see them get caught inside often which gives the RB an open running lane outside the edge to burst through.

And finally, run blocking is too good in some instances, where defenders get taken to the ground without immediately getting back up, resulting to little to no backside pursuit to help stop runs to the outside. On a toss/sweep play where a RB is slowing down a bit looking for a hole to open up, there are times in an NFL or college football game when a d-lineman or LB in pursuit catch up and tackle the RB from behind. But when these defenders get taken down to the ground at rate that they do in ESPN NFL, this situation can't really happen. Sure these takedowns happens in real life, but this occurs way too frequently in ESPN NFL, where you can see like 3 or 4 defenders get knocked to the ground right away.

Kruza

[Kelvarr]

Re: I HOPE THEY DONT CHANGE THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR

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mike06 said:
Aside from those two things, I think it is well done, albeit the RB's fall forward for yardage, or are rolled forward for yardage way more often than they should be.

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How can you say that? Whens the last time youve really seen a running back in the NFl completely stuffed the second he is hit without falling forward for at least some yardage?

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It's not so much that they fall forward for some yardage (1 yard or so), but I am talking when I have 2-3 defenders hit him head on and should eliminate his forward progress, only to have one of the defenders go into the tackle animation of wrapping him up and pulling/rolling the RB over him to tackle him. This usually results in 3-4 yards gained.

That is what I meant by that comment

[Kelvarr]

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mike06 said:
Aside from those two things, I think it is well done, albeit the RB's fall forward for yardage, or are rolled forward for yardage way more often than they should be.

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How can you say that? Whens the last time youve really seen a running back in the NFl completely stuffed the second he is hit without falling forward for at least some yardage?

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It's not so much that they fall forward for some yardage (1 yard or so), but I am talking when I have 2-3 defenders hit him head on and should eliminate his forward progress, only to have one of the defenders go into the tackle animation of wrapping him up and pulling/rolling the RB over him to tackle him. This usually results in 3-4 yards gained.

That is what I meant by that comment

[Kelvarr]

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mike06 said:
Aside from those two things, I think it is well done, albeit the RB's fall forward for yardage, or are rolled forward for yardage way more often than they should be.

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How can you say that? Whens the last time youve really seen a running back in the NFl completely stuffed the second he is hit without falling forward for at least some yardage?

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It's not so much that they fall forward for some yardage (1 yard or so), but I am talking when I have 2-3 defenders hit him head on and should eliminate his forward progress, only to have one of the defenders go into the tackle animation of wrapping him up and pulling/rolling the RB over him to tackle him. This usually results in 3-4 yards gained.

That is what I meant by that comment

[mike06]

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LBzrule said:
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mike06 said:
Aside from those two things, I think it is well done, albeit the RB's fall forward for yardage, or are rolled forward for yardage way more often than they should be.

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How can you say that? Whens the last time youve really seen a running back in the NFl completely stuffed the second he is hit without falling forward for at least some yardage?

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It does happen sometimes. Just ask Jamal Lewis versus TN a week ago. Ughhh I hate to remember it. If somebody has an 8 or 9 man front and they have good defensive players, you aint going nowhere. Were the Titans that successful against everybody? Not really, because other teams had adequate passing attacks hence they couldn't stack the box. But since the Ravens passing game was in question, they decided to stack the box and stop the run and that's what they did. Doesn't mean I want them to "change" the running game per se. Just get the Dline to do better at occupying blockers and get the LB's to either flow faster or hit gaps faster and of course tackling, while not overly horrible could use a little work.

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You nailed exactly what i meant. When i basically said 'RBs always fall forward" i mean when they are running. Like Jamal Lewis did in the tenessee game he couldnt get barely any forward momentum because of the d-line and extra LBs clogged the holes and made him basicall stop to find a place to run....as far as ESPN NFL FOotball goes id like to see more action from the d-line like looking at the running back, find where hes going and attempt to clog the hole. Maybe also slowing him down by getting an arm on him and stuff like that.

[mike06]

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LBzrule said:
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mike06 said:
Aside from those two things, I think it is well done, albeit the RB's fall forward for yardage, or are rolled forward for yardage way more often than they should be.

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How can you say that? Whens the last time youve really seen a running back in the NFl completely stuffed the second he is hit without falling forward for at least some yardage?

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It does happen sometimes. Just ask Jamal Lewis versus TN a week ago. Ughhh I hate to remember it. If somebody has an 8 or 9 man front and they have good defensive players, you aint going nowhere. Were the Titans that successful against everybody? Not really, because other teams had adequate passing attacks hence they couldn't stack the box. But since the Ravens passing game was in question, they decided to stack the box and stop the run and that's what they did. Doesn't mean I want them to "change" the running game per se. Just get the Dline to do better at occupying blockers and get the LB's to either flow faster or hit gaps faster and of course tackling, while not overly horrible could use a little work.

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You nailed exactly what i meant. When i basically said 'RBs always fall forward" i mean when they are running. Like Jamal Lewis did in the tenessee game he couldnt get barely any forward momentum because of the d-line and extra LBs clogged the holes and made him basicall stop to find a place to run....as far as ESPN NFL FOotball goes id like to see more action from the d-line like looking at the running back, find where hes going and attempt to clog the hole. Maybe also slowing him down by getting an arm on him and stuff like that.

[mike06]

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LBzrule said:
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mike06 said:
Aside from those two things, I think it is well done, albeit the RB's fall forward for yardage, or are rolled forward for yardage way more often than they should be.

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How can you say that? Whens the last time youve really seen a running back in the NFl completely stuffed the second he is hit without falling forward for at least some yardage?

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It does happen sometimes. Just ask Jamal Lewis versus TN a week ago. Ughhh I hate to remember it. If somebody has an 8 or 9 man front and they have good defensive players, you aint going nowhere. Were the Titans that successful against everybody? Not really, because other teams had adequate passing attacks hence they couldn't stack the box. But since the Ravens passing game was in question, they decided to stack the box and stop the run and that's what they did. Doesn't mean I want them to "change" the running game per se. Just get the Dline to do better at occupying blockers and get the LB's to either flow faster or hit gaps faster and of course tackling, while not overly horrible could use a little work.

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You nailed exactly what i meant. When i basically said 'RBs always fall forward" i mean when they are running. Like Jamal Lewis did in the tenessee game he couldnt get barely any forward momentum because of the d-line and extra LBs clogged the holes and made him basicall stop to find a place to run....as far as ESPN NFL FOotball goes id like to see more action from the d-line like looking at the running back, find where hes going and attempt to clog the hole. Maybe also slowing him down by getting an arm on him and stuff like that.

[Stevo]

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digitalandroid said:
Maybe just take out the head-on tackle slide to left animation . And the running game is perfect.

VC! You got a perfect running game! just take out that one animation! DONT RUIN THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR. LEAVE IT ALONE VC!!

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C'mon now, you have to be crazy to not admit that the running game is overpowered. How can you say it is perfect without one animation when Ricky Williams and Eddie George can break up to 5 tackles in one run.(Literally) How many times has Ricky broke 5 times this year, last year, his career! NONE! This is one reason I don't play Online much anymore (only against my friends) because all these people run 95% of the time and could break off 60 yard runs with ease. I've improved my defense a lot now though. (I could shut down some runners) But Ricky, Eddie, Faulk, and Garner are extremely overrated. Also, runs to the outside are money plays because the defense takes HORRIBLE angles to tackle the ball-carrier. (It's almost pathedic) And like LBz says in a lot of the threads, the Linebackers just automatically gets sucked in to blockers and don't play like they should on a toss play.

The computer is fine (with sliders) but there still is some problems. This game is the best football game, but the running game is the ONE thing it HAS to fix. I thought the running game was great last year. (a challenge but realistic, only needed a higher breakaway speed) Sorry about the long rant, but if VC doesn't change this next year, well, I dunno how pissed I'll be... It's selfish to say the running game doesn't need to be changed.

[Stevo]

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digitalandroid said:
Maybe just take out the head-on tackle slide to left animation . And the running game is perfect.

VC! You got a perfect running game! just take out that one animation! DONT RUIN THE RUNNING GAME NEXT YEAR. LEAVE IT ALONE VC!!

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C'mon now, you have to be crazy to not admit that the running game is overpowered. How can you say it is perfect without one animation when Ricky Williams and Eddie George can break up to 5 tackles in one run.(Literally) How many times has Ricky broke 5 times this year, last year, his career! NONE! This is one reason I don't play Online much anymore (only against my friends) because all these people run 95% of the time and could break off 60 yard runs with ease. I've improved my defense a lot now though. (I could shut down some runners) But Ricky, Eddie, Faulk, and Garner are extremely overrated. Also, runs to the outside are money plays because the defense takes HORRIBLE angles to tackle the ball-carrier. (It's almost pathedic) And like LBz says in a lot of the threads, the Linebackers just automatically gets sucked in to blockers and don't play like they should on a toss play.

The computer is fine (with sliders) but there still is some problems. This game is the best football game, but the running game is the ONE thing it HAS to fix. I thought the running game was great last year. (a challenge but realistic, only needed a higher breakaway speed) Sorry about the long rant, but if VC doesn't change this next year, well, I dunno how pissed I'll be... It's selfish to say the running game doesn't need to be changed.