What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

[Datninja619]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

I'd like the combination of the physics in BB and the presentation of APK (and other 2k games).

The physics in BB were true, just needed some years of fine tuning. The unique camera angle in BB neede some getting use too, but was unique nontheless.


The presentation ( and other 2k games) is just amazing imo. Only 2k games I've played were the football, but I've seem videos of the other sports. They really immersed you in the game with the halftime show and the pre-game show. With Boomer doing his signature phrases lol. Included in presentation would be the play call format. REAL football teams call a line stunt with a coverage behind it, unless it's a pre-designed blitz.

[fittyou]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

I don't think it's a good idea...

Somebody agrees..

[fittyou]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

I don't think it's a good idea...

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[wicko72]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

Depends who would be making it, game modes, etc.

If it had a good engine, say maybe Unreal 4 that would be promising.
Having NFL license would help a lot, but if it had deep customization I think it could still succeed as long as gameplay is sound.

[blind10]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

NFL2K5 PRESENTATION
ALL PRO 2K8 GAMPLAY
BACKBREAKER PHYSICS ( UNCANNED ANIMATION & NEVER SEEING THE SAME TACKLE TWICE )

OMG....... THAT WOULD BE OFF THE ******* CHAIN

I CAN'T CONTAIN MYSELF........ JUST GIVE ME SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!!!!

[blind10]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

ON TOP OF THAT UNREAL GRAPHICS.............. WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Focus10]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

You're all pretty much explaining JMF16 since Unreal Engine 4 has Natural Motion in it, the engine that BB used and Damon Grow said NFL 2K5 was their inspiration.

[TCFClemson]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

You're all pretty much explaining JMF16 since Unreal Engine 4 has Natural Motion in it, the engine that BB used and Damon Grow said NFL 2K5 was their inspiration.

That game doesnt exist

[Methlab]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

A week until E3 and we can finally see if anything new is coming. Our hopes and dreams will be uplifted or destroyed over the span of 2 days. LOL.

[Focus10]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

That game doesnt exist

Yes it does, they just havent announced release date and platforms.

[Primo80]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

I was disappointed the backbreaker team wasnt able to start or contribute to a franchise with their engine. I wasnt disappointed with the product at all; it was basically what i expected and i didnt even like playing it all that much. I did, however, see it as the most important game ever to be conceived and created for football gaming. Nothing like it was ever attempted, and it was a crucial step to be taken toward realism and football gaming's bright future.

Not only did the physics system work to recreate collisions, but the team attempted to make players individuals. Football games will never approach realism until both of these aspects work in relatively convincing ways. As long as defensive players are tethered to opponents and rely on pre-determined movements and decisions, without simulating senses or recognition, these games will never turn the corner. It would be a mistake to not revisit backbreaker's attempts.

[TCFClemson]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

I was disappointed the backbreaker team wasnt able to start or contribute to a franchise with their engine. I wasnt disappointed with the product at all; it was basically what i expected and i didnt even like playing it all that much. I did, however, see it as the most important game ever to be conceived and created for football gaming. Nothing like it was ever attempted, and it was a crucial step to be taken toward realism and football gaming's bright future.

Not only did the physics system work to recreate collisions, but the team attempted to make players individuals. Football games will never approach realism until both of these aspects work in relatively convincing ways. As long as defensive players are tethered to opponents and rely on pre-determined movements and decisions, without simulating senses or recognition, these games will never turn the corner. It would be a mistake to not revisit backbreaker's attempts.

I agree 100% BB was soooo close to being an amazing game...

Their stubbornness about the camera angle and their at some times atrocious AI held them back.

If they could have given it a second go around with a BB 2 I think it would have been amazing.

[SolidSquid]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

I agree 100% BB was soooo close to being an amazing game...

Their stubbornness about the camera angle and their at some times atrocious AI held them back.

If they could have given it a second go around with a BB 2 I think it would have been amazing.

Honestly I think the camera angle was done to cover up some flaws with the physics engine. You could just launch into guys playing dline and they would kinda go all rag doll like. I think this is why we need a game that combines animations with physics.

[yardz23]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

Honestly I think the camera angle was done to cover up some flaws with the physics engine. You could just launch into guys playing dline and they would kinda go all rag doll like. I think this is why we need a game that combines animations with physics.

You are definitely on to something. Everyone is quick to praise BB for its "physics". When in actuality, it's physics were often very flawed. Mainly there were specific moments when a players actual weight was completely disregarded. In moments of collision with multiple players, inevitably one or more characters would become completely weightless. They would bobble over the top of the pile like a beach ball at a nickleback concert.

Also momentum was not properly conserved. You could be running full speed towards a defender and get completely obliterated, even if they were at a stand-still, if you didn't hit the "shoulder charge" input in the correct split second. It's like you only had weight and power in that 1/3 of a second you were charging and any time before or after you were completely defensless.

Now i was a huge fan and supporter of BB at the time (even made it onto the players into posters all-star team!) but the use of Euphoria needed some serious work. The gang tackles were beautiful and dynamic, for sure. But there was some very off things about it.

And i also share the sentiment that it was extremely bare boned. Playbooks were scant, player development, recruiting, trading ect. was non-existant if i recall correctly.

Some where in between 2K's football animation engine blended with BB's finishing gang tackles, or mid-air collision instances would be perfect. 80% 2k with the 20% euphoria magic for those unrecoverable collisions and it'd be lights out in the football gaming community

This is the hope for any future football game that may or may not be revealed at E3 in a few days.

[Primo80]

Re: What if a football game was a combination of APF/Backbreaker

What was important about BB was the tech and showing what was possible. It didnt impact our expectations of Madden as much as the 2k games did, but it did show everyone that animated gameplay wasn't the only approach. It even prompted tiburon to start adding real time physics to its game.

The euphoria football player collision demos they showed off years before BB's release were too unbelievable to think they would find a way into a real game. And i still dont think of BB as much more than a demonstration. Of something a better funded and more connected publisher could pick up and run with. A fully realized BB game would be on another level above what we are used to.