Your very own camera argument thread.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Then don't buy the game , dude. Simple as that. The camera is fine , the devs built the game around it.

That is your opinion. We are glad the camera is fine to you, but is everyone like you? And just because the devs built the game around it, that eliminates it from any criticism?

People want to buy this game for the physics and just to have a new football game to play.

I dislike the camera I wish it was higher so I could have more depth perception. But I'm still going to buy the game. But what is wrong with asking for options and discussing the camera?

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The camera in BB is the beginning of something special. The one thing that is always hard for many to do or accept is change.

Whether its a game or a new management team at work. Change takes time for people to accept.

The camera is a few tweaks away from being the number option by the games for future football games.

On defense the camera works pefect. We all know that you must hold down the left trigger (foucus mode) and you player will watch the football all the way through the play.

On offense just 3 needs need to be done to make everything work nicely.
1.When playing QB the camera just needs to be lifted a tad, and the view just a tad wider. What they have now is a little to closed in. I know when I play qb I can see a little more than what the game is offering me.

when your runninng with the ball everthing is fine as far as high and closeness of the camera on the player, but the camera scans over the wrong shoulder when your running towards the sideline.

It will face the sideline rather than the field of play. They just need for it to scan from the sideline so you can see the field of play.

The 3rd thing and it is not a camera thing, but how to circulate through the wrs needs to be changed.

I say give the receivers icons, and by holding down focus mode you hit the icon of the receiver you want to see, and then make the pass with the right anolog sitck.

I feel if these 3 things are done to the game BB would be great. Im really enojying the game as it is now, but those adjustments for me would make this game incredible.

[-DaVe-]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

That is your opinion. We are glad the camera is fine to you, but is everyone like you? And just because the devs built the game around it, that eliminates it from any criticism?

People want to buy this game for the physics and just to have a new football game to play.

I dislike the camera I wish it was higher so I could have more depth perception. But I'm still going to buy the game. But what is wrong with asking for options and discussing the camera?

The depth perception is good as is. MORE depth perception will probably make the passing game too easy. Then what will people say? " o da passin iz 2 eazy man"
Can't have it both ways

[lofeazy]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The camera in BB is the beginning of something special. The one thing that is always hard for many to do or accept is change.

Whether its a game or a new management team at work. Change takes time for people to accept.

The camera is a few tweaks away from being the number option by the games for future football games.

On defense the camera works pefect. We all know that you must hold down the left trigger (foucus mode) and you player will watch the football all the way through the play.

On offense just 3 needs need to be done to make everything work nicely.
1.When playing QB the camera just needs to be lifted a tad, and the view just a tad wider. What they have now is a little to closed in. I know when I play qb I can see a little more than what the game is offering me.

when your runninng with the ball everthing is fine as far as high and closeness of the camera on the player, but the camera scans over the wrong shoulder when your running towards the sideline.

It will face the sideline rather than the field of play. They just need for it to scan from the sideline so you can see the field of play.

The 3rd thing and it is not a camera thing, but how to circulate through the wrs needs to be changed.

I say give the receivers icons, and by holding down focus mode you hit the icon of the receiver you want to see, and then make the pass with the right anolog sitck.

I feel if these 3 things are done to the game BB would be great. Im really enojying the game as it is now, but those adjustments for me would make this game incredible.

[roadman]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The depth perception is good as is. MORE depth perception will probably make the passing game too easy. Then what will people say? " o da passin iz 2 eazy man"
Can't have it both ways

Allow people to express their opinion one way or another. At least, there is a choice.

I don't understand what is there to lose with more options besides it's the way the developers wanted to program it.

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The depth perception is good as is. MORE depth perception will probably make the passing game too easy. Then what will people say? " o da passin iz 2 eazy man"
Can't have it both ways

Then don't buy the game , dude. Simple as that. The camera is fine , the devs built the game around it.

So because you think the camera is fine, everyone else should also think so? No one else should be able to discuss the merits of having camera options? Then why even have discussion forums? You just tell us what's good and what's not and we'll comply.

Seriously are you people this short sighted and self involved?

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The camera in BB is the beginning of something special. The one thing that is always hard for many to do or accept is change.

Whether its a game or a new management team at work. Change takes time for people to accept.

The camera is a few tweaks away from being the number option by the games for future football games.

On defense the camera works pefect. We all know that you must hold down the left trigger (foucus mode) and you player will watch the football all the way through the play.

On offense just 3 needs need to be done to make everything work nicely.
1.When playing QB the camera just needs to be lifted a tad, and the view just a tad wider. What they have now is a little to closed in. I know when I play qb I can see a little more than what the game is offering me.

when your runninng with the ball everthing is fine as far as high and closeness of the camera on the player, but the camera scans over the wrong shoulder when your running towards the sideline.

It will face the sideline rather than the field of play. They just need for it to scan from the sideline so you can see the field of play.

The 3rd thing and it is not a camera thing, but how to circulate through the wrs needs to be changed.

I say give the receivers icons, and by holding down focus mode you hit the icon of the receiver you want to see, and then make the pass with the right anolog sitck.

I feel if these 3 things are done to the game BB would be great. Im really enojying the game as it is now, but those adjustments for me would make this game incredible.

I like some of your ideas and I agree with you on #1 and #2.

I like #1 in particular. I agree, I've played that position, my field of view was not that restricted. I also don't want to initially focus on my WR. I want to be able to look at the safeties first before deciding where I first want to look to go with the ball. That's the way it's done IRL for the most part. If they want to give us the IRL on the field experience, we should be able to do that.

But in my case, I don't mind change. I actually love change, a change of pace in a lot of cases is great. IMO, the camera is overly cumbersome, and doesn't allow a view that I feel suits the game or my tastes. My problem is the camera angle takes away from the game, and the game has so much potential I would just like to see it reach it's fullest potential. I really want to enjoy this effort by this team.

All I ask for is some options. I really can not see how anyone in their right mind could argue that giving the gamer some options is a bad thing. Any other game that came out with just one option would get slaughtered. BB should be judged like any other game out there.

[swaldo]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

A long time ago I remember Joe Montana explaining what he does as soon as the ball is snapped. He stated the first thing he does is look straight ahead and watch for blitzing LB's, and while doing so he can see in his peripheral vision what the safeties are doing.

He also wrote a book on quarterbacking and in it he described how to read defenses. He basically said that he already knows where his wide receivers are going to be, so he spends his time in the pocket reading the defense. When something develops that he likes, he can then go to that place quickly.

Backbreaker has it backwards. When the ball is snapped the camera jerks straight to the wide receiver so you can't see half of the linebackers and safeties. You can't "read the defense", instead you are reading your wide reciever and what the defender next to him is doing. If you want to check down the dev says to hold down the LT for focus and you can scan the field quickly. But if you scan over to the opposite side of the field you have no idea what has been going on over there. Also, focus zooms the camera in more as if you're looking in a tunnel. So when a play starts you must read, then scan and read, scan and read, scan and read. It's too much and takes too long!

"God mode" better replicates how Joe Montana reads defenses, it allows you to read the defense as a whole and react to a part of the field immediately instead of reading your wide receiver. I'm not saying that's the best but at the very least we need to see more of the field.

I think the bottom line is that BB is simply making a statement this year. "This game is all about the on-field experience, period!" Message heard, so hopefully in the future we'll get some more options.

Oh, and here is the link to Montana's book at google...

http://books.google.com/books?id=mKqZxa_qIIAC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=joe+montana+%22reading+the+defense%22&source=bl&ots=BCR4Qsr52k&sig=88R6A5jRruStvz9BcdNZTjFiyXY&hl=en&ei=s5v-S_DsOIiOMo2qnTs&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=joe%20montana%20%22reading%20the%20defense%22&f=false

[Rocky]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

All I ask for is some options. I really can not see how anyone in their right mind could argue that giving the gamer some options is a bad thing. Any other game that came out with just one option would get slaughtered. BB should be judged like any other game out there.

Giving gamers options is not a bad thing. My guess is that the dev team only had time to put in one camera and get it working and playing well....and they decided to go with the one we see in the demo. I can definitely understand why they went with the angle they did.

It definitely shouldn't be judged like any game out there because it's the first iteration of the game. That's the equivalent of saying an expansion team should win the Super Bowl. I could see if was priced 60 bucks but it is cheaper than other football games as well.

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Giving gamers options is not a bad thing. My guess is that the dev team only had time to put in one camera and get it working and playing well....and they decided to go with the one we see in the demo. I can definitely understand why they went with the angle they did.

It definitely shouldn't be judged like any game out there because it's the first iteration of the game. That's the equivalent of saying an expansion team should win the Super Bowl. I could see if was priced 60 bucks but it is cheaper than other football games as well.

It's still 50 dollars. It's a video game, just like any other "art" as people keep referring to it, once it's released to the public it's fair game as far as acclaim/criticism.

While there is much to love, in this day and age, a football game lacking camera options, injuries and fatigue, is a lot to be missing even for a first year attempt. Particularly for a game with 3+ years of dev time.

[Rocky]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

It's still 50 dollars. It's a video game, just like any other "art" as people keep referring to it, once it's released to the public it's fair game as far as acclaim/criticism.

While there is much to love, in this day and age, a football game lacking camera options, injuries and fatigue, is a lot to be missing even for a first year attempt. Particularly for a game with 3+ years of dev time.

C'mon man. How long did it take Madden and MLB2K to get camera options in their game? Years. And BB has a percentage of the funds and experience with their respective sports than those developers have.

You can criticize the lack of camera angles...but to do so without any perspective or even worse, saying that people who like and defend the devs decision have some type of agenda is stupid.

[ABR173rd]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

I was looking around over on the BB forums and was wondering has anyone asked the Devs about this being patched in as an option and if so did they give a response? By them not responding I'm guessing there not going to offer any options for the camera angle and don't want to put out that info before the release so it doesn't hurt sales....Just my guess.

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

C'mon man. How long did it take Madden and MLB2K to get camera options in their game? Years. And BB has a percentage of the funds and experience with their respective sports than those developers have.

You can criticize the lack of camera angles...but to do so without any perspective or even worse, saying that people who like and defend the devs decision have some type of agenda is stupid.

Madden and 2k got drilled for it, as they should have. Games should be judged on their merits. As a consumer I don't care what their budget? When I go to a movie do I give a movie a break because it didn't cost much to make?

Madden and 2k got criticized for lack of options, BB shouldn't be exempt because of their budget.. I am a consumer all I care is about the bottom line, and the bottom line is this game is missing things that have been in other sports games for years. You simply can not excuse it all away, well you can, but not objectively.

You're telling me, people who are saying lack of options is a good thing, or people saying they are glad there is no injury system are not defending the game strictly for the sake of defending the game? I mean on these forums, that's simply hypocrisy at it's finest.

This game has plenty of merit, it really does, but to act as if it's got no negatives and we are being outrageous for bringing them up is rather funny.

[-DaVe-]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

So because you think the camera is fine, everyone else should also think so? No one else should be able to discuss the merits of having camera options? Then why even have discussion forums? You just tell us what's good and what's not and we'll comply.

Seriously are you people this short sighted and self involved?

Because you're wasting your time arguing over something that will not change!!
There's already a game on the market where u can go through ALL of your reads one by one and that is Madden..
You complaining in each page doesn't solve anything..

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Because you're wasting your time arguing over something that will not change!!
There's already a game on the market where u can go through ALL of your reads one by one and that is Madden..
You complaining in each page doesn't solve anything..

Why do you care what I am doing with my time? If you don't want to read opposing opinions this probably isn't the place for you. If my opinions upset you that much, do us all a favor and put me on ignore.

I do love the tactic though of deflecting away from the criticism of the game and make it seem like someone who brings up a shortcoming is the problem.

Madden is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

This is a camera argument thread is it not? I am not sure what you thought was going to be in here when you decided to read it. Seems pretty self explanatory to me, does it not?