Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

[rgp913]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

Over 1800 players have been affected and are being re-rated. Now, imagine what that's like.

Would you would like to put some of your time into this?
thanks,
MJ

You may or may not realize this but I have a roster in the "roster section" posted where I edited, created and rated every single of those 1,800 plus players in the NFL using Madden 11 as a base. I understand comlpetely how time consuming it is, took me 3 weeks to do. And I was just applying ratings, not testing, re-testing etc.

I'm not against you, I want a fix. I want a patch. You made it seem as if you had one, you don't yet. That's all. We are all on the same team. Unfortunately, I'm starting to feel that unless there is a patch that fixes the run game this may be the end of the road for BB for me.

[mrjordan]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

Don't worry fellas, we are close....only a few days away I think.
Just hang on a little while longer.

I hope to be able to do the same with the current NFL but first priority is finishing this classic file.

thanks,
MJ

[falcons21]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

LOL@ Exciting News a patch would be exciting news

[boooey]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

Don't worry fellas, we are close....only a few days away I think.
Just hang on a little while longer.

I hope to be able to do the same with the current NFL but first priority is finishing this classic file.

thanks,
MJ

i thought you said that anyone can apply this to any custom teams.. My main concern is getting this working with current NFL rosters.

thanks

[ac-greasy]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

I go back and forth on the running game. Sometimes I can run fine and sometimes I can’t. I think it has a ton to do with who you’re using and who you’re playing against because sometimes the holes are gaping and other times its total frustration (negative carry after negative carry). Overall I do think it could be tuned to make it tad easier. Particularly when you run a run play where a lineman has to pull…that’s when things seem to break down (on a regular basis).

[mrjordan]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

i thought you said that anyone can apply this to any custom teams.. My main concern is getting this working with current NFL rosters.

thanks

Yes it can be done but first I have to finish these classic rosters.
Then we can start on the currents.
Need to do a few more days of testing.
Thanks for your support
MJ

[boooey]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

Yes it can be done but first I have to finish these classic rosters.
Then we can start on the currents.
Need to do a few more days of testing.
Thanks for your support
MJ

ok, looking forward to trying out your Roster..
thanks!

[DaveDQ]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

What I don't understand is why not share what you are doing so others can work with it too?

[mestevo]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

Or provide an example of what had to be done, what mode are these changes being tested on, and what happens when you play at other difficulties?

I don't see how this can be done so extensively and not cause other difficulty levels to be broken, or basically making all OL/DL/LB/RB roughly the same.

[mrjordan]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

Or provide an example of what had to be done, what mode are these changes being tested on, and what happens when you play at other difficulties?

I don't see how this can be done so extensively and not cause other difficulty levels to be broken, or basically making all OL/DL/LB/RB roughly the same.

Exactly the point, change one rating and it causes others to be broken. That's why you have to go through each team and tweak, but the good news is that only 10 teams remain to fix. I'm getting there.

Guys, I am going through every team to do every player. I cant give you instructions because they are all different! Every team and player is rated differently. hang in there its almost done.

Check this thread for updates:

http://forum.backbreakergame.com/showthread.php?t=10220&page=4

thaks,
MJ

[adamgod8]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

the BB Board here is officially dead. RIP.

[allBthere]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

the BB Board here is officially dead. RIP.

kind of, but I play the game every day and I know many others do too.

It really is a great, fun game imo, I just wish the running game in the patch didn't take such a hit. In my league I'm averaging 3.6 ish yards per carry, BUT it's an all offensive league and my running back is an absolute stud, so it's very much a problem. I forget it when I bust a nice run, but then I get stuffed 3 times in a row for no gain or a loss and I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me.

anyway, I've completed 4.5 seasons now, but we do need another patch, otherwise the game plays the most statistically realistic game of football I've played. Things like tackles are finally represented believably and both teams usually get anywhere from 52-60 plays off in 5 min quarters which ends up being about what NFL teams run.

Too much friendly fire still, linebackers may be a touch too fast and rb's don't break enough tackles as well as the o-line not blocking well enough (or fb's and te's too).

My only other problem with the game is deep balls, but that's for another thread.

[boooey]

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official BB forum is not dead, that is for sure.. this is a Madden dominated forum, so no surprise to see BB not get much attention here.

as far as fixing the running game.. i think its pretty much known now that you can globally lower the agility and speed of the D-Line to help improve the running game, but the consequence will be that it will be near impossible to get sacks from the front 4 D-Lineman.. so unless you blitz with a LB or corner, you aint getting any sacks

bottom line.. we need another patch

[mgoblue678]

Re: Exciting news: The running game is no longer an issue in Greathouse

official BB forum is not dead, that is for sure.. this is a Madden dominated forum, so no surprise to see BB not get much attention here.

as far as fixing the running game.. i think its pretty much known now that you can globally lower the agility and speed of the D-Line to help improve the running game, but the consequence will be that it will be near impossible to get sacks from the front 4 D-Lineman.. so unless you blitz with a LB or corner, you aint getting any sacks

bottom line.. we need another patch

Somewhat related this, I was looking on the Backbreaker forum yesterday to see if there was any talk of another patch since we haven't really heard anything, when I saw somebody mention a roster from bbhighlitesgs.com that was suppose to improve the running game.

From the couple of games I played yesterday after downloading their latest roster the run game was indeed much better on both sides. I had two straight 100 yard games with Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson on Hard. I didn't have a single 100 game after the patch before trying that roster. The CPU had good success running as well.

But, the issue that become apparent in those games was in order to get the running game in that state the pass rush was made absolutely non existent. 4 and 5 man rushes couldn't get anywhere near me or the CPU QB and blitzes weren't much better in terms of getting to the QB.

So while that file did indeed make the running game game feel similar to prepatch running, I wouldn't use it since it killed the pass rush in the process.

So I guess my question to mrJordan is have you been able to improve the running game without killing the pass rush? I have a hard time believing it is even possible.

Before yesterday I had basically stopped playing the game all together since the patch came out, it would be great to have a solution either through another patch(which I doubt will happen at this point) or through roster editing like the op is trying to do that motivates me to actually play the game again.

[TreFacTor]

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So I guess my question to mrJordan is have you been able to improve the running game without killing the pass rush? I have a hard time believing it is even possible.

Before yesterday I had basically stopped playing the game all together since the patch came out, it would be great to have a solution either through another patch(which I doubt will happen at this point) or through roster editing like the op is trying to do that motivates me to actually play the game again.

I would guess that it's a feast or famine type deal when adjusting the stats, especially since the devs delayed pressure from the defensive line in the greathouse patch to improve the pocket for the qb, adjusting the dline to accommodate the run combined with the patch is probably going to create an arcade type playing style. I have played 4 games post patch online, and only one person attempted to run, but I'm going to guess he used the player editor, because he was simply unstoppable. It's no wonder he is on top of the leader boards on the 360.