Favre to the Vikings?

[FootballSchemer]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vi...nciaec8O7EyUsl

I'm sure he's not the only one on the team that feels this way on Farve..

haha I love it

[wwharton]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

The bridge is on fire, but isn't completely burned. If he doesn't wear purple it can be repaired, eventually. If he wears purple, he can retire wearing it. In fact, I think he would have to.

I know you have been saying he only wants to get back at the Packers. The chance to win a super bowl is also a huge motivator here.

I don't think it's COMPLETELY burned either, but burned enough that they don't think that $20 mil cush job is a smart investment anymore.

What makes you think winning a SB is a huge motivator? I don't remember hearing that anywhere. That can usually be a good assumption, but there's nothing here pointing to that imo. For example...

Why asked to be released from the Jets... twice? They wanted him back if he wanted to come back and they improved a lot while only really losing Coles from last year.

Why is it reported that if he comes back it'd only be to the Vikings? Coincidentally, the team that were rumored to be talking to him illegally last year and GB worked hard to block him from going to. I believe Favre said both last year and this year that he wanted to go there to beat the Packers twice.

I seriously think the guy has mental problems to the point where if he did come back and win the SB his first thought would be about how bad that makes the Packers look for going with Rodgers.

[shnuskis]

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Since when does winning the super bowl need to be mentioned as a motivator? The Vikes have a lot more talent than the Jets. The Jets with favre would not be in the conversation to win the super bowl. The Vikes would be. There is familiarilty with coaches, more talent than the Jets, and the spite Ted Thompson factor. Its a perfect storm. All factors come togather at one point, Minnesota.

The spite the Packers part of it is very emotional. The rest is more common sense. Emotions win out with most people when they speak.

As far as telling the Jets he would only play for the Vikes, that was a chess move to give him freedom of a release. There would be no trying to shop him for a trade elsewhere. He couldn't be traded to the Vikings(cost too much) so there is no reason not to cut him.

I think the Pack see this posibility if this going bad for the Vikes as likely as it is to go good. Otherwise, keeping a Super Bowl away from your arch rival may be worth 20 mil all by itself.

[shnuskis]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

haha I love it

How much loyalty do you need from a guy who will be there one year, maybe two at tops? He would be there to win. His enemy is their enemy.

[wwharton]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

Since when does winning the super bowl need to be mentioned as a motivator? The Vikes have a lot more talent than the Jets. The Jets with favre would not be in the conversation to win the super bowl. The Vikes would be. There is familiarilty with coaches, more talent than the Jets, and the spite Ted Thompson factor. Its a perfect storm. All factors come togather at one point, Minnesota.

The spite the Packers part of it is very emotional. The rest is more common sense. Emotions win out with most people when they speak.

As far as telling the Jets he would only play for the Vikes, that was a chess move to give him freedom of a release. There would be no trying to shop him for a trade elsewhere. He couldn't be traded to the Vikings(cost too much) so there is no reason not to cut him.

I think the Pack see this posibility if this going bad for the Vikes as likely as it is to go good. Otherwise, keeping a Super Bowl away from your arch rival may be worth 20 mil all by itself.

So what you're saying is that every player makes moves and decisions in an attempt to win a SB? That'd be great and how I'd like to think of my favorite players but it's far from true. You can't just say Favre wants to win a SB bc that's always a motivator... simply doesn't work that way. Not to mention, as soon as he signed with the Jets everyone and their mother had the Jets in the SB... especially after Brady went down. Are you basing it on your personal opinion or how you think Favre is thinking about things?

There is absolutely nothing Favre has done that was based on more common sense than emotion since his first retirement and probably much earlier than that. I think you're thinking from your perspective. As far as I know, Favre is still retired and says he's got no intention of coming back so why would he need to play a chess game with the Jets? Lets also consider the picks that would be given to the Packers if the Jets were to trade him.

I think you're giving him WAY too much credit. And thinking about your perspective makes it strange that the $20 mil would be off the table right? From my perspective, it makes perfect sense, and so does everything else that's happened since the day he decided he wasn't retired anymore last year. The guy only cares about himself and his only motivation is getting back at the Packers. Don't confuse this situation with Gonzo going to Atlanta.

We also know Brett wants no part of training camp so now we can watch the creative way he draws this out to convince Childress to take him on but not make him come back too early.

[shnuskis]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

So what you're saying is that every player makes moves and decisions in an attempt to win a SB? That'd be great and how I'd like to think of my favorite players but it's far from true. You can't just say Favre wants to win a SB bc that's always a motivator... simply doesn't work that way. Not to mention, as soon as he signed with the Jets everyone and their mother had the Jets in the SB... especially after Brady went down. Are you basing it on your personal opinion or how you think Favre is thinking about things?

There is absolutely nothing Favre has done that was based on more common sense than emotion since his first retirement and probably much earlier than that. I think you're thinking from your perspective. As far as I know, Favre is still retired and says he's got no intention of coming back so why would he need to play a chess game with the Jets? Lets also consider the picks that would be given to the Packers if the Jets were to trade him.

I think you're giving him WAY too much credit. And thinking about your perspective makes it strange that the $20 mil would be off the table right? From my perspective, it makes perfect sense, and so does everything else that's happened since the day he decided he wasn't retired anymore last year. The guy only cares about himself and his only motivation is getting back at the Packers. Don't confuse this situation with Gonzo going to Atlanta.

We also know Brett wants no part of training camp so now we can watch the creative way he draws this out to convince Childress to take him on but not make him come back too early.

No. I am saying he is motivated to win a super bowl, feels he can still play football, and wants to show up Ted Thompson. All three in some combination. It may be 33/33/33, or 10/40/50, I don't know. But when you look at the Vikings roster, talent wise you see a huge hole at QB with a ton of talent around it. They won the division last year while not playing to their potential. Anyone with half a brain can see a Pro Bowl caliber qb(which brett isn't anymore, but he doesn't know that) would put them in the discussion for a super bowl. The Jets to the super bowl last year was a joke. They didn't have nearly the talent the Vikes have. And when have you ever seen a qb come in(especially as late as brett did)and take a team to the super bowl?

It was his agent who asked to be released. It is entirely possible he had a moment of common sense. Brett is retired. That is how he can get to the Vikings. By being released. He had more leverage because of the two first round pick penalty. The Jets couldn't get anything for him in a trade. No other team would give anything up because he would have to say he actually wanted to play for them. And the Jets wouldn't get two first rounders from the Vikes. The jets had no reason not to release him.

Sure the guy cares only about himself. And what better way to get back at the Packers than winning the Super Bowl with the arch rivals. That is the ultimate slap. Winning the Super Bowl with a team that everyone around here laughs at for not being able to win one. You see how the two(super bowl, revenge) are interconnected? Just going to the Vikings means nothing if he loses a wild card game. He would retire without any fan base. He needs to win the super bowl if he comes back again to restore his legacy. And I think he thinks he can do it in MN. He isn't trying to go to the Lions. He is going somewhere where there is a perfect storm: Lots of talent, hole at QB, familiar with coaches, ultimate revenge of old team.

I am not confusing this with gonzo or J. Seau. This is revenge, I get it. I think you are missing part of the equation. The Super Bowl is the ultimate revenge. Part of the culture around here is the Pack have won 3 trophies, the Vikings have lost it 4 times and are without one. He has to win it to get revenge.

[wwharton]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

No. I am saying he is motivated to win a super bowl, feels he can still play football, and wants to show up Ted Thompson. All three in some combination. It may be 33/33/33, or 10/40/50, I don't know. But when you look at the Vikings roster, talent wise you see a huge hole at QB with a ton of talent around it. They won the division last year while not playing to their potential. Anyone with half a brain can see a Pro Bowl caliber qb(which brett isn't anymore, but he doesn't know that) would put them in the discussion for a super bowl. The Jets to the super bowl last year was a joke. They didn't have nearly the talent the Vikes have. And when have you ever seen a qb come in(especially as late as brett did)and take a team to the super bowl?

It was his agent who asked to be released. It is entirely possible he had a moment of common sense. Brett is retired. That is how he can get to the Vikings. By being released. He had more leverage because of the two first round pick penalty. The Jets couldn't get anything for him in a trade. No other team would give anything up because he would have to say he actually wanted to play for them. And the Jets wouldn't get two first rounders from the Vikes. The jets had no reason not to release him.

Sure the guy cares only about himself. And what better way to get back at the Packers than winning the Super Bowl with the arch rivals. That is the ultimate slap. Winning the Super Bowl with a team that everyone around here laughs at for not being able to win one. You see how the two(super bowl, revenge) are interconnected? Just going to the Vikings means nothing if he loses a wild card game. He would retire without any fan base. He needs to win the super bowl if he comes back again to restore his legacy. And I think he thinks he can do it in MN. He isn't trying to go to the Lions. He is going somewhere where there is a perfect storm: Lots of talent, hole at QB, familiar with coaches, ultimate revenge of old team.

I am not confusing this with gonzo or J. Seau. This is revenge, I get it. I think you are missing part of the equation. The Super Bowl is the ultimate revenge. Part of the culture around here is the Pack have won 3 trophies, the Vikings have lost it 4 times and are without one. He has to win it to get revenge.

I'm trying to follow your connection but it seems like you're thinking about it from an outsider's perspective. Yes, he'd love to win a SB, and I do think that's true about every player. But the player that goes to the Raiders because they'll pay him twice as much as anyone else isn't motivated by the chance to win the SB. By saying the Vikings have more talent, that increases the chances but doesn't mean that makes him more interested. If we go back to last year, the Jets made moves to sure up their offensive line, already had better WR and TE options and had an improved defense. You and I may believe the Jets going to the SB last year was a joke but many had Brett taking them there, and there was no reason for Brett himself not to think the same way... but he didn't want to go there. And honestly, the Vikings talent isn't as far superior as you make it seem. No one banks on a rookie WR, that's always a crapshoot in year 1. They have holes in their oline at center and I believe right tackle. Their secondary is average at this point, with the potential to be better if they can get a good pass rush which was good last year but not as good as expected. MIN finished 10-6 last year, NYJ finished 9-7. And I agree about coming in late being a problem, but we're thinking like Favre... he never wanted to do preseason in GB (2007 he did and look what happened), and doesn't this year if he plays. That's part of the reason this is a bad idea for MIN.

Last year he specifically said he wanted to go to the Vikings, Lions or Bears. Didn't matter. He's got a relationship with people on the Vikings and they clearly had conversations last year. It is a good situation in terms of their needs but I have no doubt that he would be just as interested in CHI or DET if those were the only options he had out of the three.

In my opinion, winning the SB would be gravy. I think his motivation is focused on having a better season than GB, having a better season than Rodgers and beating GB.

By the way his agent said he had no idea Brett was even talking to MIN or considering coming out of retirement. He's said a few things to indicate he's either a liar (already know that) or out of the loop. Either way, it's been clear that this has definitely been Favre pushing for the release, sending medical records and keeping up with his "friends" on the Vikings (remember since he has friends that's why the Vikings weren't slapped for tampering last year). I don't mean to sound like I'm saying you're making these things up but I think you're thinking about ways that it could make some kind of sense. The reality is, the only sense it makes is knowing Favre is a diva who still has a grudge against his old team. All signs point to it. It is possible and probable that he's just that screwed up.

[shnuskis]

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Brett isn't going to the Raiders for twice what anyone else is offering. We aren't talking about a guy getting the big payday from the Raiders because he has been a backup for 5 years and out of the blue won the SB MVP.(Larry Brown, Desmond Howard).

So it comes down to the fact that you don't think Favre cares whether he wins a super bowl or not and I think he does care. I am thinking about this from Brett's view(screw the packers the most by winning a super bowl with arch rival who never have won one), Packers, best if he doesn't play at all, but if he does and it blows up in his face oh well. And the Vikings, improve our weakest position.

I watched at least 5 Jets games and at least 12 Viking games last year. From what I saw, the Vikings have MUCH more talent on their team. They underachieved to 10-6 without good qb play for half the season. With Pennington instead of Favre, the Jets still go 9-7 at best.

The Vikings aren't banking their offense on a rookie reciever. Shancoe was awesome at the end of the year last year at TE. They think they have a stud receiver in Berrian. Wade is an above ave. slot receiver. Two great running backs. I think losing Birk hurts them but with a running oriented offense a 380 lb Loadholt will be allowed to play downhill with run blocking at rt. tackle.

We both know not to trust Cook so lets not even try to discuss anything he says.

I agree with you Brett wants to screw the Packers. But ask yourself, how best to do that. By winning a Super Bowl in MN.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

You're a brave man sir because you're giving the Vikings a lot more credit on Offense than I would.

[shnuskis]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

I think their only limiting factor is Childress. Oh, and QB of course.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

Me personally, I still don't trust their Receivers or Secondary.

People say they would be an instant Super Bowl contender if they signed Favre but i'm not seeing it. Hell, even with Favre they're still not a lock to win the division, IMO.

[billmatic]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

In a conference that the Cardinals just won, they're contenders.

[shnuskis]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

In a conference that the Cardinals just won, they're contenders.

Well, that is the conference they are in.

I am always astounded at people expecting great things right after a qb goes to a new team. I usually expect the second year to be better. They would have the potential to go to the super bowl. But also go 7-9.

[wwharton]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

Brett isn't going to the Raiders for twice what anyone else is offering. We aren't talking about a guy getting the big payday from the Raiders because he has been a backup for 5 years and out of the blue won the SB MVP.(Larry Brown, Desmond Howard).

So it comes down to the fact that you don't think Favre cares whether he wins a super bowl or not and I think he does care. I am thinking about this from Brett's view(screw the packers the most by winning a super bowl with arch rival who never have won one), Packers, best if he doesn't play at all, but if he does and it blows up in his face oh well. And the Vikings, improve our weakest position.

I watched at least 5 Jets games and at least 12 Viking games last year. From what I saw, the Vikings have MUCH more talent on their team. They underachieved to 10-6 without good qb play for half the season. With Pennington instead of Favre, the Jets still go 9-7 at best.

The Vikings aren't banking their offense on a rookie reciever. Shancoe was awesome at the end of the year last year at TE. They think they have a stud receiver in Berrian. Wade is an above ave. slot receiver. Two great running backs. I think losing Birk hurts them but with a running oriented offense a 380 lb Loadholt will be allowed to play downhill with run blocking at rt. tackle.

We both know not to trust Cook so lets not even try to discuss anything he says.

I agree with you Brett wants to screw the Packers. But ask yourself, how best to do that. By winning a Super Bowl in MN.

I think it's pretty clear you understand what I'm saying and vice versa so I guess we'll agree to disagree. Not that I don't think Favre would like to win another SB but I don't think it has anything to do with thinking about coming back. Last year he would've happily gone to the Lions. This year I think he would've happily gone to the Bears.

I also agree with PPM. I think you're overrating the Vikings offense and underrating the Jets overall. Pennington was the key to a team with less options on offense and a worse defense winning the Jets division. The Jets started losing when the D slipped. Favre had a good stretch but for the most part he was inconsistent all year... plus as the year went on the gameplan seemed to go more and more away from the run (both Jets backs were probowlers last year).

I really don't see much difference in the talks from last year about Favre leading the Jets to the SB and saying the same thing now with the Vikings. The only possible difference is the conference but barring serious injuries the Giants, Eagles, Panthers, Cards, Falcons, Packers and Bears could all have something to say about that. Just like the Jets, the best option for the Vikings is to have a QB with a Collins mindset, Big Ben at the worse (in terms of wanting to pass more than run). Favre is probably the worse QB in the league for that type of system. Of course, that's different than our discussion because Favre would never think that.

[wwharton]

Re: Favre to the Vikings?

Well, that is the conference they are in.

I am always astounded at people expecting great things right after a qb goes to a new team. I usually expect the second year to be better. They would have the potential to go to the super bowl. But also go 7-9.

This is part of why the Jets should be considered a realistic option if Favre wants to come back more for a SB. They were never an option for him.