Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

**SageInfinite** · 05-10-2003, 10:10 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

Can we just enjoy both games?? I lean more toward Madden because its so much more polished but ever since the annoucement of tha football games Ive been playin 2K3. Its a great game. I cant wait 4 both but since Ive been playin 2K3 Im looking 4ward 2 2k4 I wanna see what Sega's got. Im gettin both. So far though Madden is sounding incredible.

**SageInfinite** · 05-10-2003, 10:10 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

Can we just enjoy both games?? I lean more toward Madden because its so much more polished but ever since the annoucement of tha football games Ive been playin 2K3. Its a great game. I cant wait 4 both but since Ive been playin 2K3 Im looking 4ward 2 2k4 I wanna see what Sega's got. Im gettin both. So far though Madden is sounding incredible.

**Blue_Monkey** · 05-10-2003, 10:16 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

sportsgeist WTF?! You're complaining cause they tell us what's been added or finally added? And right, you say it's a rip-off to add something good (like new playbooks) that people want only cause another game already had it. Yeah,

. Not to mention that your break down was straight from a fan boy manual.

**Blue_Monkey** · 05-10-2003, 10:16 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

sportsgeist WTF?! You're complaining cause they tell us what's been added or finally added? And right, you say it's a rip-off to add something good (like new playbooks) that people want only cause another game already had it. Yeah,

. Not to mention that your break down was straight from a fan boy manual.

**Bad_Intentions** · 05-10-2003, 10:18 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

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2k3 has nothing even close to playmaker control
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Then you never played 2K3 then or tried using the "on-the-fly" audible system.

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Did you even read the description of playmaker control....Madden had hot routes way before 2k...they were also the first football game to have audibles...anyways, it's also calling out blocks while running and directing receievers, neither of which is in 2k3.

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directing recievers has nothing to do with max passing

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What do you think maxium passing is for?

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Actually maximum passing doesnt control receivers, it is controlling the location of your passes, I.E. holding the stick left when you press the pass button leads the receiver to the left, etc etc. Actually this is an Idea from EA, madden was the first game to have Pass sensativity...Sega just called it "maxium passing". Again, you play so much 2k3 but dont even know what the features do? Directing recievers means the qb can actually tell them to break routes during the play.

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how do you know this? you havent played the game!

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Actually I have. I haven't owned a Madden game since 1999 and still haven't lost yet. It's just a testament on how weak Madden's gameplay still is.

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Well i find that hard to believe as Madden 2004 doesnt come out till August. Also i find it hard to believe that you hadn't lost a game of madden since 99...you either play on the easiest setting and hadn't played a quality opponent...i find that very hard to believe.

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Madden 2003 had a tri-screen replay, so how is this biting 2k3?

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Then why is EA biting?

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Their not, just a new replay....they have new ones every year you know.

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dude have you even played madden, ball cariers hav been stumbling since like 2000, this is just another way of saying they're adding new animations.

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My bad you're right it does have that famous (and only) one where the runner puts his hand down on the ground and keeps going. That was in it before 2000. maybe madden will have a total of 2 stumble moves now.

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Again you make it painfully obvious that you haven't really played 2003, anyone that has will tell you there is more than 1 stumble animation.

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so no other football game can have open field blocks? It's part of the game.
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But Madden is the best it should already have this and if it does why is it in the feature list?

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here you seem to deviate from your original subject to flame madden, Now i know what your intentions are(see my screen name). But if Madden were perfect and had everything then there wouldnt be a need for sequels...and who said madden was the best?

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What defensive reaction moves are there in 2k? And again, how do you know what they are in madden 2004 when you havent played?
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If you played 2k you would know

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Still havent played madden 2004..until then

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Again Madden is the best and most realistic football game. This feature should've been a given.

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Again..you are reaching

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Again Madden is the best and most realistic football game. This feature should've been a given. I don't remember Madden ever doing this but 2K3 does this already.

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what? so other games can't employ strategy?

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What? You again deviate from your point that EA is biting Segas ideas...now you just start randomly mentioning things that EA should already have in the game? This is just another cheap madden flame.

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Sure why not WSB's was just called the best franchise mode to date.

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Now you're getting ridiculous, no one gives a crap about tennis 2k2!!! And 2004 is 'stealing' from 2003..oh my god, those theiving EA bastards! They bit something from the previous years game that they made!!! they should rot for that one. I suppose Sega is guilty of this sin also then. So is every other sports game.

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If i recall, EA was the first company that introduced 'Franchise' mode playing multiple seasons, which set the standard for all sports games, so in a way Sega is biting EA's idea.

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Your trying that with the wrong person I used to buy all and I mean all of EA sports titles and they didn't do any of this until NBA2K1 did it.

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Again, why can't they expand their books, fans have been demanding this for years.

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What? so what...fans have still been demanding deeper playbooks.

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You would say that because you never played Tennis2K2. EA added the Mini-camp in 2003 (which is a rip-off of Virtua tennis and Tennis2K2) but it had nothing to do with the Franchise mode like it did in Tennis2K2 until now that is.

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I have tennis 2k2 for dreamcast, so i know about it.....who cares though, If that was the case then why didnt they do it in madden 2003? Just face it EA came up with a good idea. What other football game had mini-camp drills? none.

**Bad_Intentions** · 05-10-2003, 10:18 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

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2k3 has nothing even close to playmaker control
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Then you never played 2K3 then or tried using the "on-the-fly" audible system.

<hr /></blockquote>

Did you even read the description of playmaker control....Madden had hot routes way before 2k...they were also the first football game to have audibles...anyways, it's also calling out blocks while running and directing receievers, neither of which is in 2k3.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
directing recievers has nothing to do with max passing

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What do you think maxium passing is for?

<hr /></blockquote>
Actually maximum passing doesnt control receivers, it is controlling the location of your passes, I.E. holding the stick left when you press the pass button leads the receiver to the left, etc etc. Actually this is an Idea from EA, madden was the first game to have Pass sensativity...Sega just called it "maxium passing". Again, you play so much 2k3 but dont even know what the features do? Directing recievers means the qb can actually tell them to break routes during the play.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
how do you know this? you havent played the game!

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Actually I have. I haven't owned a Madden game since 1999 and still haven't lost yet. It's just a testament on how weak Madden's gameplay still is.

Quote:

<hr /></blockquote>

Well i find that hard to believe as Madden 2004 doesnt come out till August. Also i find it hard to believe that you hadn't lost a game of madden since 99...you either play on the easiest setting and hadn't played a quality opponent...i find that very hard to believe.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Madden 2003 had a tri-screen replay, so how is this biting 2k3?

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Then why is EA biting?

<hr /></blockquote>
Their not, just a new replay....they have new ones every year you know.

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dude have you even played madden, ball cariers hav been stumbling since like 2000, this is just another way of saying they're adding new animations.

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My bad you're right it does have that famous (and only) one where the runner puts his hand down on the ground and keeps going. That was in it before 2000. maybe madden will have a total of 2 stumble moves now.

<hr /></blockquote>
Again you make it painfully obvious that you haven't really played 2003, anyone that has will tell you there is more than 1 stumble animation.

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so no other football game can have open field blocks? It's part of the game.
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But Madden is the best it should already have this and if it does why is it in the feature list?

<hr /></blockquote>
here you seem to deviate from your original subject to flame madden, Now i know what your intentions are(see my screen name). But if Madden were perfect and had everything then there wouldnt be a need for sequels...and who said madden was the best?

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What defensive reaction moves are there in 2k? And again, how do you know what they are in madden 2004 when you havent played?
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If you played 2k you would know

<hr /></blockquote>
Still havent played madden 2004..until then

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Again Madden is the best and most realistic football game. This feature should've been a given.

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Again..you are reaching

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Again Madden is the best and most realistic football game. This feature should've been a given. I don't remember Madden ever doing this but 2K3 does this already.

Quote:
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what? so other games can't employ strategy?

<hr /></blockquote>

What? You again deviate from your point that EA is biting Segas ideas...now you just start randomly mentioning things that EA should already have in the game? This is just another cheap madden flame.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Sure why not WSB's was just called the best franchise mode to date.

Quote:
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Now you're getting ridiculous, no one gives a crap about tennis 2k2!!! And 2004 is 'stealing' from 2003..oh my god, those theiving EA bastards! They bit something from the previous years game that they made!!! they should rot for that one. I suppose Sega is guilty of this sin also then. So is every other sports game.

<hr /></blockquote>
If i recall, EA was the first company that introduced 'Franchise' mode playing multiple seasons, which set the standard for all sports games, so in a way Sega is biting EA's idea.

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Your trying that with the wrong person I used to buy all and I mean all of EA sports titles and they didn't do any of this until NBA2K1 did it.

Quote:
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Again, why can't they expand their books, fans have been demanding this for years.

<hr /></blockquote>

What? so what...fans have still been demanding deeper playbooks.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
You would say that because you never played Tennis2K2. EA added the Mini-camp in 2003 (which is a rip-off of Virtua tennis and Tennis2K2) but it had nothing to do with the Franchise mode like it did in Tennis2K2 until now that is.

<hr /></blockquote>

I have tennis 2k2 for dreamcast, so i know about it.....who cares though, If that was the case then why didnt they do it in madden 2003? Just face it EA came up with a good idea. What other football game had mini-camp drills? none.

**DONOTDELETE** · 05-10-2003, 10:20 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

just because two games have similar things doesnt mean they are ripping th other game off. i like that broken bat for baseball games analogy somebody posted.
its also like saying, these two games have real players and logos and then saying one is ripping off the other for that.
or, its liek saying this game added new tackling animations, but the other game added some new ones years ago and blaming them for stealing.

**DONOTDELETE** · 05-10-2003, 10:20 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

just because two games have similar things doesnt mean they are ripping th other game off. i like that broken bat for baseball games analogy somebody posted.
its also like saying, these two games have real players and logos and then saying one is ripping off the other for that.
or, its liek saying this game added new tackling animations, but the other game added some new ones years ago and blaming them for stealing.

**coogrfan** · 05-10-2003, 10:41 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

Sportsgeist, by your logic since Madden was the first fb game to use an elevated end zone camera angle (as opposed to a sideline cam a la Tecmo Bowl), every single fb title released since has been a mere Madden "ripoff". That's like saying that since Ford was the first company to mass-produce cars, all the other companies that have gotten into the business of manufacturing cars are just Ford "ripoffs".

**coogrfan** · 05-10-2003, 10:41 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

Sportsgeist, by your logic since Madden was the first fb game to use an elevated end zone camera angle (as opposed to a sideline cam a la Tecmo Bowl), every single fb title released since has been a mere Madden "ripoff". That's like saying that since Ford was the first company to mass-produce cars, all the other companies that have gotten into the business of manufacturing cars are just Ford "ripoffs".

**BigTigLSU** · 05-10-2003, 11:49 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

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coogrfan said:
Sportsgeist, by your logic since Madden was the first fb game to use an elevated end zone camera angle (as opposed to a sideline cam a la Tecmo Bowl), every single fb title released since has been a mere Madden "ripoff". That's like saying that since Ford was the first company to mass-produce cars, all the other companies that have gotten into the business of manufacturing cars are just Ford "ripoffs".

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Actually all the games after madden are "clones" that have moved off its logic.

**BigTigLSU** · 05-10-2003, 11:49 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

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coogrfan said:
Sportsgeist, by your logic since Madden was the first fb game to use an elevated end zone camera angle (as opposed to a sideline cam a la Tecmo Bowl), every single fb title released since has been a mere Madden "ripoff". That's like saying that since Ford was the first company to mass-produce cars, all the other companies that have gotten into the business of manufacturing cars are just Ford "ripoffs".

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Actually all the games after madden are "clones" that have moved off its logic.

**Brandwin** · 05-10-2003, 11:58 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

I think sportsgeist needs a special title and pink color to his name. I understand if your a fan of the 2k series. IM a huge fan of madden but im sure both games will be great this yr . No need to make idiotic posts like the one made today. There not stealing from sega and sega is not stealing from EA.

**Brandwin** · 05-10-2003, 11:58 AM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

I think sportsgeist needs a special title and pink color to his name. I understand if your a fan of the 2k series. IM a huge fan of madden but im sure both games will be great this yr . No need to make idiotic posts like the one made today. There not stealing from sega and sega is not stealing from EA.

**imported_Administrator** · 05-10-2003, 12:14 PM

Re: Madden 2004 Preview? or NFL2K3 Preview?

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You would say that because you never played Tennis2K2. EA added the Mini-camp in 2003 (which is a rip-off of Virtua tennis and Tennis2K2) but it had nothing to do with the Franchise mode like it did in Tennis2K2 until now that is.

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So Sega Sports, actually in this case Hitmaker created the concept of a mini game? Oh man that is classic...

Locked as this was a thread destined for lock from the get go.

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