Brett Favre=Mr. Overrated (Now officially back)

[Fox1994]

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Why is this conversation ongoing? Everyone who thinks Favre is overrated doesn't seem to have much to back it up. Those who do have their opinions and even their facts simply dismissed by those who disagree with them. No one is going to change anyone's mind here....

[KSUowls]

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Why is this conversation ongoing? Everyone who thinks Favre is overrated doesn't seem to have much to back it up. Those who do have their opinions and even their facts simply dismissed by those who disagree with them. No one is going to change anyone's mind here....

The world of internet forums .

Brett Favre is a particularly interesting topic because depending on the person, they can take one quick glance at the stats and be really impressed with or just look at the interceptions and go "meh".

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Exactly. Just look at the Live and 2K Forums for example

[JBH3]

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Bad game no other explanation.


Atlanta was practically built for a January game in Green Bay. One of the best rushing teams in the NFL they held the ball most of the game and ran for nearly 200 yards against the Green Bay defense. Green Bays offense had nothing but Favre giving them anything gaining just 56 yards on 19 rush attempts.


You left out how Favre threw for 300 yards, 1 TD and 0 interceptions against Seattle. You also left out how Ahman Green managed just 66 yards on 23 carries.
Favre production that day was the reason GB was able to score 3 offensive touchdowns giving Al Harris the chance for a game sealing pick 6.

Against Philly well #1 Philly was simply a better team. Secondly you're picking on Favre for one bad play. Up to that point he had been extremely efficient throwing 2 Tds and 0 picks with 180 yards. One bad play in a game does not mean that he choked it away.


Beating any team 3 times in one season is hard, much less a rival. Lets also not forget that Minnesota played them extremely tough in the 2 regular season meetings losing 34-31 each time. This was not the upset you would have people believe.

Let me first point out that these were the eventual superbowl champion New York Giants. Secondly, few quarterbacks have the opportunity to throw multiple overtime playoff interceptions.
And finally we have the tiny little fact that Brett Favre was the one and only reason the game went to overtime. Green Bay managed just 28 yards rushing in that game...let me repeat that one, 28 yards rushing. I'm not quite sure how you blame 1 person as the choke artists playing a superior team when he accounted for the teams entire offensive production that day.



What you have done here is blamed losses on Favre that for the most part he was the only one coming to play for his team in those games.

One last thing I feel the need to mention. NowQB is going to win in the post season without players around him, and if you want to be consistently good in the post season you need a good defense. From 2002-2007 though the Green Bay defenses ranked in the top 10 just once, and 3 times outside of the top 20

Here are a few career post season stats for Favre
- 11-0 when the defense holds an opponent to 20 points or less
- 3-8 when the offense fails to score 25 or more points (for emphasis this equates to a minimum of 4 scores)

Very nice.

Why is this conversation ongoing? Everyone who thinks Favre is overrated doesn't seem to have much to back it up. Those who do have their opinions and even their facts simply dismissed by those who disagree with them. No one is going to change anyone's mind here....

IMO it's ongoing because the OP (Dragon4Ever) refuses to give up his incompetent quest of unjustly calling Favre overrated.

Given that guys like wwharton feel he is overrated I can live w/ their feelings. Why? Because they think rationally, and are NOT just posting idiotic forays of where a TEAM choked and then pinning it on the QB where it is in NO WAY justified except in the 2001 game where KSU states "Bad Game No Explanation".

To call him overrated and give concrete irrefutable evidence is one thing. To not take into account HUMUNGOUS FACTORS which VASTLY affected the success Favre COULD have is WRONG and doesn't build a solid case on ones reasons of being "overrated".

But Dragon apparently has an agenda.

JBH, he's not going to respond to us or address any of our points that we made because that would actually steer him AWAY from what he's trying to accomplish, which is to blame Favre and Favre ONLY for all the Packers losses.

Very good post in it's entirety. I agree it's much more easy to FEEL you've won an argument when you just keep posting things WHICH YOU THINK show him being overrated but really have NO MERIT.

However, all this ends up doing is making one look stupid in the end. Real ugly and stupid.

[wwharton]

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I'll also add that I don't think Favre is overrated based on where you guys arguing with Dragon would rate him. I think most people at OS rate Favre about where he should be actually.

[Fox1994]

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The world of internet forums .

Brett Favre is a particularly interesting topic because depending on the person, they can take one quick glance at the stats and be really impressed with or just look at the interceptions and go "meh".

IMO it's ongoing because the OP (Dragon4Ever) refuses to give up his incompetent quest of unjustly calling Favre overrated.

Given that guys like wwharton feel he is overrated I can live w/ their feelings. Why? Because they think rationally, and are NOT just posting idiotic forays of where a TEAM choked and then pinning it on the QB where it is in NO WAY justified except in the 2001 game where KSU states "Bad Game No Explanation".

To call him overrated and give concrete irrefutable evidence is one thing. To not take into account HUMUNGOUS FACTORS which VASTLY affected the success Favre COULD have is WRONG and doesn't build a solid case on ones reasons of being "overrated".

But Dragon apparently has an agenda.

Now I know. Many thanks, friends.

[MattieShoes]

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PFR recently posted a <a href=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3520>GQBOAT</a> blog, which accounts for regular season, post season, era adjustments, strength of schedule, cold-weather games, dome teams, length of career, etc.

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Marino
4. Young
5. Tarkenton
6. Fouts
7. Luckman
8. Anderson
9. Favre
10. Unitas
11. Baugh
12. Staubach
13. Dawson
14. Starr
15. Brady
16. Elway

That feels pretty right to me.

[Fox1994]

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I might switch Unitas and Tarkenton.. for all sorts of reasons... Outside of that, though, it's a good list.

[KSUowls]

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PFR recently posted a GQBOAT blog, which accounts for regular season, post season, era adjustments, strength of schedule, cold-weather games, dome teams, length of career, etc.

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Marino
4. Young
5. Tarkenton
6. Fouts
7. Luckman
8. Anderson
9. Favre
10. Unitas
11. Baugh
12. Staubach
13. Dawson
14. Starr
15. Brady
16. Elway

That feels pretty right to me.

A decent. I don't like the Steve Young placement though. His career will always be highly inflated because he only played about 8 seasons compared to the other guys of his era.

A few others are questionable in their placement as well.

[Fox1994]

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I just think Unitas should be way higher...

[metallicatz]

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And I think Bradshaw should at least be on the list over a few of those guys, especially when taking things like weather into account. Oh well, i'll take the 4 Super Bowl trophy pillars at Heinz he helped deliver over some internet blog ranking.

[shnuskis]

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(Late to the discussion)

The reason the Packers lost to Denver was they couldn't stop the run. Not because of Brett's poor performance. He played pretty good in the the game. What Denver did is change their blocking scheme and run direction and Green Bay couldn't stop TD.

Brett Favre did things on the field that just don't translate to statistics sometimes. And he forced a lot of balls. Sometimes those forced balls made for greatness, sometimes it was "what the h*** was he thinking." In the 90's he had more draw dropping wow moments in a season than Barry Sanders.

Overrated nowdays, yes to some degree. But derservedly in the discussion of the greatest ever.

[MattieShoes]

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And I think Bradshaw should at least be on the list over a few of those guys, especially when taking things like weather into account. Oh well, i'll take the 4 Super Bowl trophy pillars at Heinz he helped deliver over some internet blog ranking.

Bradshaw comes in at #27. The only guy ahead of him that really shocked me was Trent Green at #26. I didn't remember him as being that impressive but he did have 5 consecutive 3500+ yard seasons. Bradshaw is tricky -- When you look at his stats, his best years were his final ones. Perhaps we tend to forget about the mediocre 7 or 8 years before that. Plus he was on a run-first team so he had less opportunity to rack up stats (he averaged less than 175 yards/game). He did accrue a bit of extra credit for weather but lost more than that due to strength-of-schedule.

[Fox1994]

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^He had seasons under 50% completion, and I'm not talking about his rookie or second year. I mean, 1972-1974 and 1976 (47.7, 49.4, 45.3, 47.9).

1970 was his rookie year. He had two years over 3000 yards, one over 3500 (1974; 3724 yards, 26 TDs, 25 Ints).

Nine years with over 50% completion... Only one over 60%... 1983... one game, 2 TDs, no interceptions.

[MattieShoes]

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Well in his defense, he played almost his entire career before the Mel Blount rule, so completion rates across the entire league were significantly lower.