The best WR of all-time not named Jerry Rice?

[JBH3]

Re: The best WR of all-time not named Jerry Rice?

whoever puts Michael Irvin over Steve Largent is stupid either doesn't know his NFL or is just stupid.

Largent Career Avg's:
Rec/gm = 4.0
Yds/gm = 65.0
TDs/gm = .50

Irvin Career Avg's:
Rec/gm = 4.7
Yds/gm = 77.6
TDs/gm = .41

Irvin avg'd about a catch and a first down over Largent for his career, and Largent had a TD catch which equates to every two games. Whereas Irvin's rate was slightly lower.

Largent played in two more seasons than Irvin did, and remember that Irvin's career was cut short as a result of a spinal inury at the Vet.

I mutiplied Irvins career avg's by 32 games (2 full seasons), and had he played the same amount of seasons as Largent based on these career avg's he would've put up 81 more catches & 1,298 more yards rec. He would finish w/ about 20 less TD catches, but he would put out-do Largent in catches and yards rec.

So if anything these players are virtually the same skill wise. Irvin benefited from playing in Dallas on perhaps one of the best football teams ever whereas Largent enjoyed middling team success on a career that spanned 14 years w/ only 3 entries into the playoffs that finished no deeper than the divisional round.

[brayTxiv]

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Jerry Rice The GOAT
1. Cris Carter
-the best hands ever
2. Randy Moss
-freakishly athletic, not a great possesion reciever
3. Terrell Owens
-great deep threat and possesion reciever, crappy hands
4. Michael Irvin
-would've had better numbers if not for the great Emmitt
5. Lance Alworth
-best old school reciever

If Moss and TO keep doing their thing they will both jump Carter.

[Fox1994]

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T.O. doesn't have crappy hands. They're just not excellent. You can't be a possession receiver with crappy hands.

[freezeframe]

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Steve Largent hands down

[steelcurtain311]

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I would say TO's got decent hands. He drops too many balls, but a big reason for that is because he demands so many passes thrown to him. When you get so many balls forced to you, you're going to drop more than the average WR.

[Football4lyfe]

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Randy Moss may be the best combination ever of God given ability and skill combined but he cant be considered best of all time when as a complete WR he still to this day short arms passes across the middle and shies away from contact. He's still top 5-10 but he's not dominating enough in the middle for that 1 spot

[Cebby]

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Randy Moss may be the best combination ever of God given ability and skill combined but he cant be considered best of all time when as a complete WR he still to this day short arms passes across the middle and shies away from contact. He's still top 5-10 but he's not dominating enough in the middle for that 1 spot

Personally, I'd rather have the best ever at a few things than a "complete" player.

I'll take a guy who dominates deep than a guy who "dominates the middle"

[brayTxiv]

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Thats the thing with Moss, he is not good at short or intermediate routes, but damn he is the greatest of all time when it comes to the deep ball. It's the deep threat recievers that scares defenses the most though.

Fitz would be the ultimate reciever if he had elite speed.

[ANDROMADA 1]

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Thats the thing with Moss, he is not good at short or intermediate routes, but damn he is the greatest of all time when it comes to the deep ball. It's the deep threat recievers that scares defenses the most though.

Fitz would be the ultimate reciever if he had elite speed.

Its not that he is not good at short/int routes,he doesnt like to get hit.Also when you have that kind of speed what would be the point?

[MattieShoes]

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Thats the thing with Moss, he is not good at short or intermediate routes, but damn he is the greatest of all time when it comes to the deep ball. It's the deep threat recievers that scares defenses the most though.

Fitz would be the ultimate reciever if he had elite speed.

Funny, in a conversation about the second best WR to make the argument that short timing routes are not scary to defenses. Jerry Rice won 4 rings and set every receiving record known to man primarily by playing short timing routes.

[brayTxiv]

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Funny, in a conversation about the second best WR to make the argument that short timing routes are not scary to defenses. Jerry Rice won 4 rings and set every receiving record known to man primarily by playing short timing routes.

When did Jerry Rice win another SB ring? From what I can remember he only has 3 rings. I said that deep threat recievers scare defenses the most. That doesn't mean short timing routes arn't effective in the NFL. Jerry was also a very good deep threat. Your a 9ners fan you should know that. Jerry is the GOAT cause he was great at everything.

[ANDROMADA 1]

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Funny, in a conversation about the second best WR to make the argument that short timing routes are not scary to defenses. Jerry Rice won 3 rings and set every receiving record known to man primarily by playing with John Taylor,Roger Craig,Tom Rathman,Bubba Paris,Bill Walsh,Brent Jones,Ronnie Lott,Steve Young,Joe Cool....etc

fixed:wink:

[MattieShoes]

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fixed:wink:

My mistake. I knew it was 3, just wasn't thinking about it. :-) He certainly wouldn't have had the same success on a bad team. But lots of players have played on phenomenal teams without putting up Rice type numbers. (including roger craig, dwight clark, john taylor, etc. etc.) He had a rare opportunity and he made the most of it. It's a shame that most receivers never get that chance though. I'm telling you, Joey Galloway coulda been a monster!

[Piderman]

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Gotta go with Rice, he has some rings, i dont think moss has any?
But Moss will be in the HOF, with Brady.

[PrettyT11]

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I saw a mention of Sterling Sharpe earlier and I agree that man was a beast and definantly could have been ranked up there if his carer wasn't cut short by injury. I think alot of people have forgotten or just don't remember how good he was. He set and broke alot of recieving records in his time. Only Rice was putting up those kind of numbers during that time.

Another guy that had an amazing prime and very great run for a few years is Herman Moore. I don't ever recall his name getting mentioned at all around here. Moore run wasn't on the level of Rice or nothing like that but he put up some damn good numbers during his four year prime before injury. He also broke some recieving records. I have seen alot of people here try to make it seem like Barry was the only player the Lions ever had while he was there and that he was a one man show. Which wasn't the case. I decided to give Herman a lil spotlight.