OS Madden 10 Preview: NFC East

[SoxFan01605]

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That's a convenient argument for a Cowboys fan. Truth is neither QB has done anything in the playoffs... period. Both have done well when key players around them are healthy. There's a chance JC's key players could get hurt and abandon him again but it's a sure thing that Romo will have to put up those "terrific numbers" without TO, so we'll see how it goes.

I don't know about convenient, but it's pretty fair IMO. I would say the edge would have to go to Romo given his performance as a whole. People like to talk about his late season "chokes" but it's been a team wide epidemic...lol. He's performed in some pressure situations, and for a guy with just a tick under 3 full seasons he's not doing too bad. People who act as though he's nothing but a choke artist hold no more water than those who have him as a top 3-5 QB IMO. (not saying this applies to you directly).

Peyton Manning was nothing but a stat collector early on to people and he's been surrounded by talent as well. I'm not making any comparisons beyond that...lol...my only point being, that it's a tad unfair to hold it against Romo in that regard.

All that said, Romo is the one with the most to prove this year. We'll soon find out what the real deal is. Was Terrell the security blanket who padded his stats, or the shackles that held him back? My guess would be that, as usual, the answer lies somewhere in the middle, but we'll see.

As for the division, I was not wholly surprised to see the Cowboys last. I personally have it like this:

Eagles
Giants
Cowboys
Redskins

Also, I have a feeling that all things being level (injuries, etc) that the real battle to watch will be the Eagles/Giants. They're the most balanced teams (good in all three phases).

Not even sure the Cowboys/Skins will push that hard, to be honest. I just don't see enough bang from Washington's O, and Dallas' D (though it gets talked about less) is more overrated than people make Tony Romo out to be...lol.

[wwharton]

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But you just said you aren't necessarily talking about me... I'm not calling Romo a choke artist and think he's played pretty well during his time starting. I give him credit for his stats but can't ignore that he got them leaning on TO and then also ignore that Campbell was being called a probowler before half his offensive line went down to injury. This isn't about how good Romo is, it's about where Campbell compares and he's consistently underrated. I don't think he's great by any means but at this point he's comparable to Romo.

BTW, when people were calling Manning a choke artist he was breaking passing records, consistently leading his team to one of the top records in the NFL and only falling short of the SB. Romo's cowboys have barely made the playoffs and lost in the first round when they got there. Romo really has no more in common with Manning than Campbell, besides things like being in the same system for multiple years and having potentially 2 HOF players to throw to.

[MattieShoes]

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my predictions are..

ny giants 11-5
cowboys 10-6
giants 9-7
redskins 6-10

Am I the first to notice the giants devoured the eagles then spawned a second giants team? :-)

[SoxFan01605]

@ wwharton

I see your point. To compare them is certainly fair enough. I actually agree with you on the issue of JC being disadvantaged in terms of surrounding talent and support in general. I actually think that, after McNabb, all the QB's are relatively close. My only point was that it was a bit more than a convenient defense (as you implied towards the other poster) and fair for someone to give the edge to Romo thus far.

I think the issue of whether or not Campbell is underrated is separate...just as the issue of whether or not Romo is overrated. It's subjective. Ironically, most knowledgeable outside sources have been relatively high on JC, it's unfortunately his own team that has been wishy-washy on him (constantly shopping around, not showing patience/dedication towards his development, etc).

As for the Manning comparison, I thought I made clear I was only speaking in terms of labels at that juncture in their career. This was before records were being broken, etc. Manning was accused of not being able to "win the big one" since college. It was merely to illustrate that it's a bit silly to define a guy after a few seasons. I admit is was a loose comparison...that was by design. I'm one of the less literal people around here.

None of my thoughts on this is to say Romo's deserved of the constant praise he's recieved. I'm only pointing out that, generally speaking, some of the criticism he gets seems to be more rooted in countering his hype rather than out of honest evaluation. As I said, I wasn't attributing any of those thoughts to you...it was just part of my thought process on the general topic after I quoted your post.

This is all a side bar from the thread's point though, so sorry for getting sidetracked.

[wwharton]

Re: @ wwharton

I see your point. To compare them is certainly fair enough. I actually agree with you on the issue of JC being disadvantaged in terms of surrounding talent and support in general. I actually think that, after McNabb, all the QB's are relatively close. My only point was that it was a bit more than a convenient defense (as you implied towards the other poster) and fair for someone to give the edge to Romo thus far.

I think the issue of whether or not Campbell is underrated is separate...just as the issue of whether or not Romo is overrated. It's subjective. Ironically, most knowledgeable outside sources have been relatively high on JC, it's unfortunately his own team that has been wishy-washy on him (constantly shopping around, not showing patience/dedication towards his development, etc).

As for the Manning comparison, I thought I made clear I was only speaking in terms of labels at that juncture in their career. This was before records were being broken, etc. Manning was accused of not being able to "win the big one" since college. It was merely to illustrate that it's a bit silly to define a guy after a few seasons. I admit is was a loose comparison...that was by design. I'm one of the less literal people around here.

None of my thoughts on this is to say Romo's deserved of the constant praise he's recieved. I'm only pointing out that, generally speaking, some of the criticism he gets seems to be more rooted in countering his hype rather than out of honest evaluation. As I said, I wasn't attributing any of those thoughts to you...it was just part of my thought process on the general topic after I quoted your post.

This is all a side bar from the thread's point though, so sorry for getting sidetracked.

It sounds like the biggest issue you have with what I said was that it was a convenient defense. Basically, it came from Freelance (big time cowboy homer and started all of this by saying the Skins will go 4-12) so that was more a little shot at him than what I was basing my argument around. With that said, I'd disagree that many are giving JC the credit he deserves. Realistically, he hasn't put up numbers or wins to back up the claim he should be given more respect. But if you dig deeper in his situation since he's been in the nfl (as you know) it's not exactly what it seems.

I understand what you're saying about Manning but he doesn't belong in the conversation. To say he can't win the big game, referring to the SB is much different than a guy who can barely get his team in the playoffs and hasn't won a playoff game. Like Campbell, I don't think it's fair to judge Romo simply on those two facts, but while some are doing that, the people you're talking about that judged Manning would've still put him in the HOF at the end of his career.

[NYG_Meth]

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Am I the first to notice the giants devoured the eagles then spawned a second giants team? :-)

lol--- I noticed too

[Fresh Tendrils]

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If the Redskin's organization can find a way to take what Jason Campbell was doing for the first half of last season and make it last 16+ weeks, I would be a happy camper.

[pistoldill]

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Redskins
Giants
Eagles
Cowboys

The Redskins are going to the Super Bowl.

[wwharton]

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I'd love a Skins v Ravens SB! Lets get them scoring a point this week first though.

[Kilmer]

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I am very anti-McChoke, so take the following with a grain of salt all you iggle fans...

Giants 11-13 wins
Redskins 8-12 wins
Cowboys 7-10 wins
Iggles 5-7 wins

Is how I see it playing out.

I think the Giants are clearly the class of the division with thier lines. The running game is solid and Eli may not look like Peyton most of the time, but he certainly never looks as bad as the worst of Romo.

The Cowboys have the talent, but Romo throws too many ints and Wade Phillips never wins anything. They seem to be buried under the wieght of Jerruh's expectations each year. Giving them a minimum of 7 wins may be generous considering the farther they get from Parcells the worse they will get.

The Redskins will have a very good D, maybe better than the Giants, but unless it scores and sets up short fields, the Redskins O won't be much better than last year with Campbell at the helm.

The Iggles are being set up for a huge fall, already too high expectations and a boatload of injuries. I would say Vick would take over at QB by midseason if I thought he was going to be any good this year after two years in prison. The fact that the city and media are all giddy of a mostly unproven receiving corp just shows how sick everyone is of giving McNabb is usual excuse for choking.

[oozy09]

Ima Take the Eagles To win and have a 1st round Bye at 13-3 and Giants to have a wild card at 9-7. I also think that the redskins will have a better season than the cowboys at 8-8 and cowboys will choke agian with the pressure of the new stadium at 6-10