Edgerrin James has my respect

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Clearly sometime people forget and many people that are under 30 don't know the background story. I never understood how the Canes rep is so much worst than other D-1 programs

Peace

Because they brought that same street attitude to the field. They showed off en masse. They talked trash to anyone w/in earshot. They came to the Fiesta Bowl in fatigues. It's not like Miami was trying to get away from that perception. They shined a spotlight on it. They wanted that image. They embraced it. They cuddled w/it & whispered sweet nothings into it's ear. Its their own fault.

[Illustrator76]

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Because they brought that same street attitude to the field. They showed off en masse. They talked trash to anyone w/in earshot. They came to the Fiesta Bowl in fatigues. It's not like Miami was trying to get away from that perception. They shined a spotlight on it. They wanted that image. They embraced it. They cuddled w/it & whispered sweet nothings into it's ear. Its their own fault.

Stop making so much sense, it won't matter much here.

[P2K]

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Because they brought that same street attitude to the field. They showed off en masse. They talked trash to anyone w/in earshot. They came to the Fiesta Bowl in fatigues. It's not like Miami was trying to get away from that perception. They shined a spotlight on it. They wanted that image. They embraced it. They cuddled w/it & whispered sweet nothings into it's ear. Its their own fault.

You just fell into the same ol' trap everyone else does.

"Street" attitude? First off, "street" attitude is just a sly way of saying something else that you don't want to say (or want to, but can't). That and "gangster". We all know what you want to say.

Second, the celebrating, dancing and trash talking on the field is not "street" or "gangster", as many have said over the years. I'm from West Philly. I've seen beatdowns and shootings. And I don't recall anybody chest-bumping or doing the Deion dance afterwards. I've never seen the corner dudes flexing and fist pumping.

Did they embrace it? Of course. When you're a winner, you will embrace your swagger. Because of that, teams feared them before gameday. Nobody would hold a grudge against a team/program twenty years later if those teams were average. People still get a disgusted look on their faces when you mention UNLV. The Fab Five are still a bad taste in folks' mouths. And Miami, even after 4-5 years of mediocrity/sucktitude and other programs passing them fast on the mugshot charts.

People are going to think what they want. That's cool. But to spout the ignorance and also naivete that other programs have surpassed Miami (big time) in the past decade with menaces to society justifies being called out on.

[P2K]

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Stop making so much sense, it won't matter much here.

With posts like this, you can stop with the "Let's get back on topic" posts because you clearly don't want to.

[HealyMonster]

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While I would agree that "being a good dad" shouldn't be news or anything like that, I do have to say that when you take someone like Edge, or any athlete in general, they have so many reasons to not be "solid" character wise. money, the way people treat them, the way they are influenced in college, etc.

Seeing how the dude handles all he has gone through from being black-balled (more or less) by his team, going through the death of his girlfriend, dealing with his children's grief over losing their mom, and ultimately getting anew contract and handling it. I think it would be easy for the dude to just pay someone to handle things, or be a jerk in the press about his team, or use getting a new contract as an excuse to get away. He didnt do any of that, and is still able to be himself and not a depressed whoa is me case like many people would be. I mean the dude is at the end of his career, lost his "wife" and had 3 kids dropped in his lap, imagine how many people you know who wouldnt be able to handle that. I know people that I would call "stand up guys" who would probably crack/ If i were to give them millions of dollars and numerous other reasons to escape the responsibility, there is no doubt they would be out.

with all that beig said, no being a good dad isnt newsworthy, but sometimes, the moxie a dude has and the character he exhibits is something to write about.

[grunt]

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Because they brought that same street attitude to the field. They showed off en masse. They talked trash to anyone w/in earshot. They came to the Fiesta Bowl in fatigues. It's not like Miami was trying to get away from that perception. They shined a spotlight on it. They wanted that image. They embraced it. They cuddled w/it & whispered sweet nothings into it's ear. Its their own fault.

So, the Caines are the first team that talk trash and of course trash talk is "street".

Wearing fatigues are "street"?

Now I understand.

[grunt]

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If you don't by now then it's strictly because you don't want to. I am finding more and more people on these boards that seem like they simply live in their own world and make up whatever reality they want to. This ain't the 80s anymore, a lot has happened since then. And as far as me being a mod, we all (myself included) have gotten way off topic on what was supposed to be a "feel good" story. I know you are going to reply and get the last word in, but we really need to get back on topic.

E James turned out to be a great player and a loving father even though some in the past misjudged him because of his hair, gold fronts and the school that he attended.

Peace

[SportsTop]

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People (on both sides) are blowing this so far out of proportion.

So what if Miami had/has a reputation. They thrived on it for years and encouraged it. Hell, that's one of the draws they had to get recruits to go there for a long time.

That isn't to say other programs didn't have the same reputation. OU was infamous for this back in the 80's under Switzer.

It's really not as big a deal as some of you are making it out to be.

[P2K]

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People (on both sides) are blowing this so far out of proportion.

So what if Miami had/has a reputation. They thrived on it for years and encouraged it. Hell, that's one of the draws they had to get recruits to go there for a long time.

That isn't to say other programs didn't have the same reputation. OU was infamous for this back in the 80's under Switzer.

It's really not as big a deal as some of you are making it out to be.

Cool beans.

But when a story like this comes out about a player from any of the schools I mentioned and the thread turns into something like this one...you let me know, 'kay?

[Illustrator76]

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With posts like this, you can stop with the "Let's get back on topic" posts because you clearly don't want to.

Lets get back on topic.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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So, the Caines are the first team that talk trash and of course trash talk is "street".

Wearing fatigues are "street"?

Now I understand.

At the level that they did? W/the bravado that they did? At the college level? Yes, they are the "1st".

And even if they weren't the first, it doesn't hide the fact that they wanted that image. They could have been the 20th. They still wanted people to look @ them like that. Its their own fault.

Do you think its just a coincidence that the Hurricanes had that rep & Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys had the same image?

[P2K]

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At the level that they did? W/the bravado that they did? At the college level? Yes, they are the "1st".

And even if they weren't the first, it doesn't hide the fact that they wanted that image. They could have been the 20th. They still wanted people to look @ them like that. Its their own fault.

Do you think its just a coincidence that the Hurricanes had that rep & Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys had the same image?

So which way is it? Is it Miami's problem or JJ's problem? Because the entire Hurricanes team didn't come with him.

Any stock into that when Switzer, former OU coach, came in and things got worse?

Is Miami responsible for the '94 Niners team?

[grunt]

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At the level that they did? W/the bravado that they did? At the college level? Yes, they are the "1st".

And even if they weren't the first, it doesn't hide the fact that they wanted that image. They could have been the 20th. They still wanted people to look @ them like that. Its their own fault.

Do you think its just a coincidence that the Hurricanes had that rep & Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys had the same image?

How many canes were on those cowboys teams. Only one on offense and that was Irvin who was drafted by Tom Landry. We had a few canes players on the d-line and Darrin Smith playing olb but they never got in trouble.

The cowboys had problems long before Jimmy. Hollywood Henderson sniffing coke on the sidelines during the super bowl and that happen during the 70's. S.I cover in my avatar was talking about rampant drug use on the cowboys and the year was 1983. North Dallas 40 was a fictional book about the cowboys and women and drugs was rampant and not one Cane. I guess Landry didn't run a tight ship.

If you blame Jimmy Johnson because he coached the Canes then we should blame OSU because he coached there before he went to the Canes and maybe we should blame the "U' of Arkasas because he played his college football there. I don't see the logic except that you want to attribute negative behavior to one div-1 program.

I mean OU had as much or more problems than the Canes in the 80's but OU doesn't have the negative rep as the canes. There were number of d-1 programs in the past 20 years that had as many or more problems than the "U".

The Canes of the 80's was the most feared team of that decade. An independent school that was blowing out and embarrassing the traditional power houses in d-1 football. So, i am going to get back on topic say E.J main problem wasn't his gold fronts or his locks but the school he attended. He should have went to one those saintly schools in the sec or the acc.

Peace

[J0nnD0ugh]

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The gap from HH to JJ is, what, 2 decades? JJ brought that same bravado & wild behavior to the Canes & Cowboys. There is no long link from Henderson to Johnson.

You can't deny Miami wanted that image. That braggadocius, ostentatious, ganglike, bad boy mentality.

And you act like I think all other programs are angels. Where did I say that? Stop arguing points that were never made. You're "debating" other things because you can't refute what I've been saying.

Miami had that image because it was well earned & they sought it.

[jonesha2000]

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I'll admit, I completely stereo-typed Edgerrin James. Coming from "The U", the gold teeth (now since removed), and the dreadlocks all pointed to the "thug" persona.

Boy was I wrong. After reading the linked article below I am a gigantic Edgerrin James fan. I had no idea what he was going through with his home life and how admirable a father and boyfriend/common law husband he was/is. It's good to see a star athlete realize what is really important in life.

I wish him nothing but the best in Seattle and I'll be rooting for him all season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

That, my friend, is why you should never judge a book by it's cover and why you shouldn't stereotype. But it takes a helluva man to come out and admit it and change your view and for that you have my respect bro.