If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

[z Revis]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

True. The playoffs are the best of the best, so when faced against the best, Brady wins and Peyton does not, that is the point. If I remember correctly, one year the pittsburgh steelers simply murdered the pats in the regular season, in the playoffs, the pats beat them in pittsburgh. The point is, both Brady and Peyton face the best in the playoffs, heck, every qb that makes the playoffs has that same problem. The key is more often than not, which qb overcomes the best defenses? Brady.

That's quite a vague point. If you want to look at it as 'one wins, one doesn't' then fine by me. Personally though, I like to look at the details, the situations, the whole body of work. I'm a detail guy. For me, it's not as simple as just W/L's.

Regardless, you and I have both said we'd pick Brady and that's the main point of this discussion. I was just throwing my 2 cents in there with the debate between you and wwharton.

[NovaStar]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

Thought I just said why (it was a long post so I understand if some points got lost). Post season teams are great defensively 9 out of 10 times. If you have a good/great D too then the QB in question has more control of his destiny... that the situation Brady has been in just about every year. That's not the situation Peyton's been in, therefore he's had to try to do more against great defenses in almost every playoff game... and has put up some great games throughout btw. His overall numbers are similar to Brady's. In some cases it's bc Brady didn't have to do much and some cases the D has kept Brady in check, but his team still got wins bc the D was top notched. For the Colts, Peyton has HAD to put up stats for them to win and even then that wasn't enough in some cases. The one year the D gave him help they won the SB.

And of course we're going to end up disagreeing. It's all good.

Wharton, what you are basically saying is that peyton pads his stats against bad teams in the regular season, then when he gets in the playoffs he just isn't that good, this is why to me, the regular season does not mean very much.

You also said that Brady wasn't asked to do much? He made the plays his team required him to make when he needed to make them, and get this, with less offensive talent, in big games. The year that the colts beat the pats to go to the sb, that pats team was horrible and overachieved, they were not the better team, yet they beat the favored chargers in san diego and had the colts on the ropes in indy, why, because Brady raises his level.

Brady has never had the luxury of top notch receivers during any of his sb victories, top receivers and a 1,000 yrd running back is what peyton has had (egderrin James) his whole career. Additionally, the year the colts won the sb was one of peyton's worst playoff runs and one of the worst any sb winning qb has ever had, they won in spite of peyton not because of him.

I am completely baffled when anyone would pick Peyton over Tom Brady, when it has been shown and proven through the years and their careers who is capable of what. It is not even close.

Peyton is a great passer, and I would say is a better more accurate passer than Brady, but quarter backing is more than passing, Brady in his totality is a winner, I would take the Boston Brawler everytime, everyday. Reasonable minds may differ. Wharton you are definitely a reasonable mind. I am sure we will revisit this topic as long as you and I are members of this illustrious website/forum. Always a pleasure my man. Fire away.

[NovaStar]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

That's quite a vague point. If you want to look at it as 'one wins, one doesn't' then fine by me. Personally though, I like to look at the details, the situations, the whole body of work. I'm a detail guy. For me, it's not as simple as just W/L's.

Regardless, you and I have both said we'd pick Brady and that's the main point of this discussion. I was just throwing my 2 cents in there with the debate between you and wwharton.

Not a problem Z. Like I said before, you are a very level headed guy. I mean no ill will, but I am a very spirited debater.Wharton and I go way back, especially with this topic. Again, I like Peyton, I just wouldn't take him over Brady. Peyton has some years to fill in his body of playoff work, so we will see where the comparisons between the two go, but heck, they are both great and both are going to the hall of fame.

[z Revis]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

Wharton, what you are basically saying is that peyton pads his stats against bad teams in the regular season, then when he gets in the playoffs he just isn't that good, this is why to me, the regular season does not mean very much.

You also said that Brady wasn't asked to do much? He made the plays his team required him to make when he needed to make them, and get this, with less offensive talent, in big games. The year that the colts beat the pats to go to the sb, that pats team was horrible and overachieved, they were not the better team, yet they beat the favored chargers in san diego and had the colts on the ropes in indy, why, because Brady raises his level.

Brady has never had the luxury of top notch receivers during any of his sb victories, top receivers and a 1,000 yrd running back is what peyton has had (egderrin James) his whole career. Additionally, the year the colts won the sb was one of peyton's worst playoff runs and one of the worst any sb winning qb has ever had, they won in spite of peyton not because of him.

I am completely baffled when anyone would pick Peyton over Tom Brady, when it has been shown and proven through the years and their careers who is capable of what. It is not even close.

Peyton is a great passer, and I would say is a better more accurate passer than Brady, but quarter backing is more than passing, Brady in his totality is a winner, I would take the Boston Brawler everytime, everyday. Reasonable minds may differ. Wharton you are definitely a reasonable mind. I am sure we will revisit this topic as long as you and I are members of this illustrious website/forum. Always a pleasure my man. Fire away.

In all due respect, I still don't think you're fully understanding him. You're throwing out numbers/points that he probably already knows and don't have much relevance to his main argument.

Not a problem Z. Like I said before, you are a very level headed guy. I mean no ill will, but I am a very spirited debater.Wharton and I go way back, especially with this topic. Again, I like Peyton, I just wouldn't take him over Brady. Peyton has some years to fill in his body of playoff work, so we will see where the comparisons between the two go, but heck, they are both great and both are going to the hall of fame.

Oh I agree. IMO it's very hard to justify taking Peyton over Brady, even for a Colts fan like myself, when you look at the numbers. But as I said, numbers aren't everything, especially not for me. We both agree on taking Brady though. And yes it should be interesting where these two are by the end of their careers. I'd love for Peyton to get another ring. If he can get at least get 1 more(and play consistently well throughout the Playoffs en route to that SB), then I can probably justify taking him over a guy like Brady.

[bkrich83]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

I still can't stop laughing at the Romo pick.

God Bless the Cowboy homers. They do give us the comedy.

[z Revis]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

I still can't stop laughing at the Romo pick.

God Bless the Cowboy homers. They do give us the comedy.

Ha, very true.

I wonder how many of the 10 votes for "other" were selected by Cowboy fans?

[bkrich83]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

Ha, very true.

I wonder how many of the 10 votes for "other" were selected by Cowboy fans?

LOL. They simply can't help themselves.

[LAKE4742]

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Akili Smith. Chad Henne. Romo. You guys are hilarious! LMAO

Literally tommorrow? I would go with Drew Brees. This guy is huuungry.

[z Revis]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

Akili Smith. Chad Henne. Romo. You guys are hilarious! LMAO

Literally tommorrow? I would go with Drew Brees. This guy is huuungry.

To be fair, I assume the Akili Smith and Chad Henne votes were a joke. The Romo pick however.. well, Cowboy fans are in a world of their own. LOL.

[LAKE4742]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

To be fair, I assume the Akili Smith and Chad Henne votes were a joke. The Romo pick however.. well, Cowboy fans are in a world of their own. LOL.

True.

[BatsareBugs]

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Quincy Carter FTL.

[DickDalewood]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

Lol, Romo? I might as well go ahead and say Cutler then.....

Seriously though, I picked Manning, though Brady would be a close second. I'll be honest though, I do think Brees could be on that list.

[DickDalewood]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

As far as the Brady vs. Manning debate goes... both are great, and like I said, I could easily take either. I do, however, think people really underestimate just how good of a coach Bill Belichick is as well, especially in the playoffs. That tends to help. Coaches don't get enough credit. Dungy was a a great coach, but he was no Belicheck.

I personally believe the Colts have had the better QB, but the Patriots have had a better coach. IMO that plays a large part in their playoff wins/losses as well.



And lol... I just thought about people saying Romo again. Good Lord.

[NovaStar]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

As far as the Brady vs. Manning debate goes... both are great, and like I said, I could easily take either. I do, however, think people really underestimate just how good of a coach Bill Belichick is as well, especially in the playoffs. That tends to help. Coaches don't get enough credit. Dungy was a a great coach, but he was no Belicheck.

I personally believe the Colts have had the better QB, but the Patriots have had a better coach. IMO that plays a large part in their playoff wins/losses as well.



And lol... I just thought about people saying Romo again. Good Lord.

True, but Belichick is a defensive genius not an offensive one. He runs the defense. Peyton has two great offensive coordinators that he refused to let go of at the beginning of this season when they were going to retire. Both Brady and Peyton have excellent coaches, the dividing line to me is the way they play under pressure, Brady handles pressure better than Peyton, to me that is the difference.

Yeah, that Romo thing, gotta love Cowboy fans.

[TheWatcher]

Re: If the Super Bowl was tomorrow what current QB would you have on your team?

He made some errant throws in that Wild Card game, I'll give you that. As far as the Divisional round, I don't know.. I don't remember much of that game except all of the FG's. But he was on the road playing the best defense in all of football. Either way, I think the entire argument of us winning in spite of him is not only hypothetical but it really doesn't make much sense. You're saying if we plugged in Jim Sorgi or whoever we still would've won? No way. Peyton does so many things for our team that go unnoticed and don't reflect in the stat sheet.

No, not at all... I do like Jim Sorgi though.

But, yes I agree that stats aren't more important than other things like leadership and whatnot. I argued that before concerning Kyle Orton in Chicago.

But, Peyton Manning has always been the centerpiece of the Colts offense. So, their success offensively pretty much hinges on how well he plays unlike some other guys we've talked about. It's pretty much expected that if plays poorly, they'll lose most of the time. So in the cases we're talking about, it's a shocker that the Colts won and that Peyton didn't play well.