Best runningback of all time

[bkrich83]

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i was specifically asking him about dickerson's oline. i'd disagree about the lions being a veritable all star team compared to anyone barry's first 3 years, not that im trying to spark a debate on who had the least help ever at rb.

No Dickerson's offensive line was not better than Detroits

you can argue all you want. Do you even know any of the players that played with Dickerson or Payton? Detroit had more talent at every position offensively than either Payton or Dickerson for the majority of their careers. It's not even close.

[bkrich83]

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Which is why most of the ADD generation thinks he's the best.

Absolutely correct. No doubt in my mind.

But remember we've got a lot of people voting in these types of polls who think football was invented in 2006.

[MassNole]

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No Dickerson's offensive line was not better than Detroits

you can argue all you want. Do you even know any of the players that played with Dickerson or Payton? Detroit had more talent at every position offensively than either Payton or Dickerson for the majority of their careers. It's not even close.

The only player I can even remember from Dickerson's OL is Jackie Slater. Off the top of my head I don't know if he's in the HOF but if not he should be. I think they also had a decent center during his time there but I can't remember. How much overlap was there in Dickerson and Henry Ellard's careers?

[bkrich83]

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The only player I can even remember from Dickerson's OL is Jackie Slater. Off the top of my head I don't know if he's in the HOF but if not he should be. I think they also had a decent center during his time there but I can't remember. How much overlap was there in Dickerson and Henry Ellard's careers?

Henry Ellard got there the year before. It was before Henry Ellard became Henry Ellard. They're other WR's were a former track star who never played football before in Ron Brown, Drew Hill. TE was a washed up David Hill. And at QB how can we forget the triple threat of Vince Ferragamo (coming off a failed CFL experiment), Jeff Kemp (career backup) and Dieter Brock (CFL refugee).

Jackie Slater was there and he should be in the HOF. I don't believe he is yet.

[MassNole]

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Henry Ellard got there the year before. It was before Henry Ellard became Henry Ellard. They're other WR's were a former track star who never played football before in Ron Brown, Drew Hill. TE was a washed up David Hill. And at QB how can we forget the triple threat of Vince Ferragamo (coming off a failed CFL experiment), Jeff Kemp (career backup) and Dieter Brock (CFL refugee).

Jackie Slater was there and he should be in the HOF. I don't believe he is yet.

The same Drew Hill who had success with the Oilers with Ernest Givens, Curtis Duncan, and was it Haywood Jefferies?

[SPTO]

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No Dickerson's offensive line was not better than Detroits

As you say in another post Jackie Slater was the only OL of note during Dickerson's career in LA and the man was a HOF talent. I don't know what's taking so long to get him in there to be honest with you.

Anyways I wanted to respond to this post by saying I was watching a game from '83 and Bob Costas who was calling the game was saying how other coaches around the league were saying that Dickerson was one of the few guys in the NFL who could make yardage WITHOUT an offensive line and that was in Dickerson's rookie year!

I was gonna respond to your post about the offensive team around Dickerson but my memory was faulty as I thought Flipper Anderson was on the team at the same time as Dickerson. He came on the scene the year after he left.

[Jistic]

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Henry Ellard got there the year before. It was before Henry Ellard became Henry Ellard. They're other WR's were a former track star who never played football before in Ron Brown, Drew Hill. TE was a washed up David Hill. And at QB how can we forget the triple threat of Vince Ferragamo (coming off a failed CFL experiment), Jeff Kemp (career backup) and Dieter Brock (CFL refugee).

Jackie Slater was there and he should be in the HOF. I don't believe he is yet.

Did Flipper Anderson play after Dickerson left?

[bkrich83]

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Did Flipper Anderson play after Dickerson left?

Yeah he was there after Dickerson went to Indy I believe.

Mike Guman FTW!!!

[SPTO]

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Yeah he was there after Dickerson went to Indy I believe.

Mike Guman FTW!!!

Preston Dennard wasn't too bad either

[bkrich83]

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To put it in perspective. In Dickerson's best year in LA. Ram QB's completed 49% of their passes. In his last year in LA, they completed 48% of their passes.

[MassNole]

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Wasn't Flipper a Plan B Free Agent?

[bkrich83]

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Preston Dennard wasn't too bad either

Wasn't he more back in the Lawrence McCutcheon days? Was Dennard there when Dickerson was?

[bkrich83]

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Wasn't Flipper a Plan B Free Agent?

He was drafted by LA. He went to the Colts as a Plan B Free agent I think.

Jeez I forgot all about plan b free agency.

[SPTO]

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Wasn't he more back in the Lawrence McCutcheon days? Was Dennard there when Dickerson was?

Was there in Dickerson's rookie year. I thought he was there a couple more years after but nope....

Sheesh the Rams probably cost Dickerson some years in the back end of his career. They used him THAT much.


BTW Plan B Free Agency should be brought back IMO. I know it's more restrictive then what we have now but it was pretty good at keeping teams together while at the same time veterans with some years left could still leave their first team if they want.

[ActLikeYouCrow]

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yeah the youtube highlights are the only reason people tout barry, cause his stats obviously suck. thats some good hate there massnole. so barry retiring put them in a tailspin that they couldnt possibly recover from for 11 years. thats a crock and you know it. the lions won 8 and 9 games the two years after he left. when he retired he was already getting greatest consideration so its not just the teenagers who are hyping him up. the generation gap and bias happens with just about any superstars decade(s) apart regardless of sport.

what about quarterback?
im going from the logic that since detroit had two pro bowlers on the oline that they couldnt be chopped liver, yet the rams had at least two yet they were nowhere near as good as the lions. i didnt say barry didnt have more weapons the majority of his career, but also dont make it seem like he always had more talent surrounding him.

jackie slater is already in the hall.