AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

[wwharton]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

I think the spread is 3.5 actually. Looks like they're begging people to jump on the Ravens which isn't a good sight from my purple and black seat.

I wouldn't bet this game though... wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

[NovaStar]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

Two great teams, game could go either way. The fact that it is going to be in Pittsburgh may be the difference.

[Boldin the Beast]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

you apparently have NO idea what you're talking about.
The Steelers could've easily won that game if Batch had only squeezed out a 1st down late in the game.
Also your comment about Batch being "one of the better back-ups" is laughable at best.

Or you're just an arrogant Steelers fan that has to use smilie faces and calling out people to prove your point. Your team went 3 and 1 without Ben, as far as I am concerned that means Charlie Batch is a pretty good back-up to manage those games. There are lots of "ifs" and "buts" in football and Steelers fans are great at using them as excuses "if we had Ben..." or "if we had Troy...", well you didn't and you lost. Get over it.

EDIT: By the way, QB Rating is a useless stat.

[Kramer5150]

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Or you're just an arrogant Steelers fan that has to use smilie faces and calling out people to prove your point.

..yea that's it. I'm not calling ANYBODY out,but if that's how you need to twist it,then so be it.
Oh yea....maybe you should get a better understanding of how things work here since you are a new member. I understand it's hard to convey message board posts,all this is is fun dribble and bantering back and forth between fans of both teams....so the use of personal attacks are not only childish,and not welcome here. (of which you already did).

[Boldin the Beast]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

..yea that's it. I'm not calling ANYBODY out,but if that's how you need to twist it,then so be it.
Oh yea....maybe you should get a better understanding of how things work here since you are a new member. I understand it's hard to convey message board posts,all this is is fun dribble and bantering back and forth between fans of both teams....so the use of personal attacks are not only childish,and not welcome here. (of which you already did).

So, the guy that is starting every post with:



and saying:

"YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!"

isn't the guy personally attacking someone for their opinion?

I think you're being the childish one.

EDIT: Not to mention, you're assuming I don't understand how a message board works just proves my point.

[Kramer5150]

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Also,for the record.....if Pittsburgh would happen to lose this one (which I don't see) I will be pulling hard for the Ravens against New England.

In reality,I just don't think that Pitt. would be able to pull out a win against N.E. The game earlier this year,Pitt couldn't do anything to stop them,and for some reason they always seem to have problems against N.E.

I know this is to far to worry about at this point,but if there was a time I ever wanted the Jets to win,this would be the time.

[Boldin the Beast]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

If the Steelers do win, I'd like to see them beat the Patriots as well.

But, we can't have the Steelers pull even further ahead in the Rings Race if we go to the Super Bowl, so I am hoping for an NFC Super Bowl if either get there.

[Kramer5150]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

If the Steelers do win, I'd like to see them beat the Patriots as well.

But, we can't have the Steelers pull even further ahead in the Rings Race if we go to the Super Bowl, so I am hoping for an NFC Super Bowl if either get there.

While I HOPE that the Steelers would beat the Pats,realistically I just don't see that happening.
If it does turn out that the Pats go to the Super Bowl,I will then be pulling for the NFC,but imo,the only team in the NFC that would stand half a chance would be GB,and this is based on them damn near pulling out the win without Rodgers.

Other than that,I'm not really sold on anybody else in the NFC...maybe the Falcons? hell who knows at this point...lol

One week at a time...

[VinylOne]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

Ravens have to win this game, I do believe we have the superior team, we just have to prove it

[mjb2124]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

There are lots of "ifs" and "buts" in football and Steelers fans are great at using them as excuses "if we had Ben..." or "if we had Troy...", well you didn't and you lost. Get over it.

EDIT: By the way, QB Rating is a useless stat.

Same can be said about Raven fans (or any fan for that matter). I've heard a lot of Raven fans on a different board play the "ifs" and "buts" game. Going so far as to say the team should be 17-0 right now "if" certain things happened during the year.

Almost all stats are useless if used solely on their own. I'm not going to list all of Batch's stats to show that he's an average backup QB. I can only assume others have the means and time to garner that information themselves. I'm not saying Charlie is terrible, but average at best. I'd rather see Dennis Dixon out there...if only he were healthy earlier in the year.

FWIW, saying that Batch was 3-1 is also a misleading stat to convey that he was a "pretty good backup". Especially considering much of that 3-1 record was due to the defense and not Batch. It's like looking at a pitcher in baseball and saying a guy who is 17-4 with a 5.50 ERA and run support at 7 runs per game is better than a pitcher who was 12-9 with a 2.35 ERA and run support at 2 runs per game.

[gekaap]

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And all of that, to me, goes back to the fact that what the Steelers have done this season, regardless of who was playing at QB, has been a team accomplishment or failure. No single person has been so pivotal that any win or loss can be pegged on said person playing or not playing. Therefore, the record this season shows that Pitts and B-more went 1-1 with each losing at home. That being said, I still contend that playing at Heinz is a benefit for the Ravens, as well as the thus far lingering injury issues, while Steelers have the advantage of coming off a bye week and a Saturday game. These together, IMO, create a nearly even negating effect, though possibly with a very slight edge remaining for Pitts. The wildcard factor? Ray Lewis wants another ring, and I don't think there is anyone in the NFL who can motivate their team as well as Lewis.

On a side note, anyone who says "It's because Big Ben wasn't playing that game" loses the right to later say "It was a team effort" unless they retract their previous statement. Lest you look like an assclown, anyway. I'm sorry, is that an ad hominem? Or is that just the truth? Since use of emoticons is obviously so vital to solidify one's point, here are a few for everyone to enjoy, through which my wisdom can be understood.

[ImTellinTim]

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And all of that, to me, goes back to the fact that what the Steelers have done this season, regardless of who was playing at QB, has been a team accomplishment or failure. No single person has been so pivotal that any win or loss can be pegged on said person playing or not playing. Therefore, the record this season shows that Pitts and B-more went 1-1 with each losing at home. That being said, I still contend that playing at Heinz is a benefit for the Ravens, as well as the thus far lingering injury issues, while Steelers have the advantage of coming off a bye week and a Saturday game. These together, IMO, create a nearly even negating effect, though possibly with a very slight edge remaining for Pitts. The wildcard factor? Ray Lewis wants another ring, and I don't think there is anyone in the NFL who can motivate their team as well as Lewis.

On a side note, anyone who says "It's because Big Ben wasn't playing that game" loses the right to later say "It was a team effort" unless they retract their previous statement. Lest you look like an assclown, anyway. I'm sorry, is that an ad hominem? Or is that just the truth? Since use of emoticons is obviously so vital to solidify one's point, here are a few for everyone to enjoy, through which my wisdom can be understood.

I'll pop in here to say. What? Please explain.

[gekaap]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

I'll pop in here to say. What? Please explain.

Just basing it on the season's record. Raven won at Heinz earlier in the season, and Pitts overall performed better on the road this year than at home. Of the Steelers 4 losses this year, 3 of them were in Heinz. Who knows why, maybe it's a touch of complacency that's hit them at home. Maybe the hostile crowds on the road have been more motivation to the players than the friendly crowds at home. Some people are just like that, most motivated when there's someone to prove wrong. Whatever it is, I see Baltimore having a better chance at Heinz than they would at M&T.

[Overlast]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

Of the Steelers 4 losses this year, 3 of them were in Heinz.

Valid point...we've lost our three biggest home games of the year (Bal, NE, NYJ -- Atlanta's definitely not the same team it was in Week 1).

But at the same time, the Baltimore game was without Ben, who brings a dimension to the offense that Batch surely did not. Not to make excuses, but that's just the way it is. The Jets game was played without Troy, and you can't argue that he singlehandedly won three games in a row this season (Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincinnati) for the Steelers. The New England game was just a flat-out beatdown.

Honestly, this game could be played in my backyard and it wouldn't make a difference -- both of these teams know each other so well, and it's going to be a close, entertaining game. I can't wait, but I don't know what my heart's gonna say about that.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: AFC Divisional: Ravens @ Steelers

If the Steelers do win, I'd like to see them beat the Patriots as well.

But, we can't have the Steelers pull even further ahead in the Rings Race if we go to the Super Bowl, so I am hoping for an NFC Super Bowl if either get there.

It's gonna take the Ravens a little while to catch up to the Steelers in rings. They're already 5 behind.